The 'risks' of doing Aya improperly / unsupervised?

[Zanexx]

Sorry, I should have added that I have yet to have the privilege of trying Aya or DMT.

The entity I referred to was picked up while drinking at a pub. The next day I wasn't feeling myself (or my hangover self). When I meditated to figure out why, I discovered a chunk of black energy around my solar plexus that I had picked up from some unknown person in the pub.

Different strokes for different folks. Probably also different strokes for different tokes

 

[nicechrisman]

I don't have experience with aya, but I have had some difficult lessons from mushrooms for sure. I agree that meditation prior to the experience helps a LOT. Not just right before, but for the week or 2 before I try to meditate every morning.

Another EXTREMELY important thing for me (and it goes along with the meditation) is DON'T FORGET TO BREATHE. If you are being attacked, focus your attention on your breath and nothing else. Last time I did that, I felt that a buddhist deity avalokiteshvara entered my body and protected and loved me. The deity's mantra is "Om mani padme hum".

Good fragrances seem to help too. I like to have some good incense around.

 

[Kambogahuascanga]

Any how, I have been reading up on these things, as I have done for years, and came across a couple of articles / videos etc, that pointed to taking Aya (/pharma /smoked DMT/Changa as well I guess) as being dangerous, leaving us open to 'spiritual parasites' and demonic entities. I have also heard of Nexians talking of posession type scenarios and, to be honest, I am not too keen on getting posessed / soul sucked etc. At the same time, I have little money and too much responsibility to just hop on a plane to find me a bona fide curandero / shaman.

A solution to this is to do Kambo first thing in the morning and have Aya once it is dark. Kambo repels all negative energies and if you wanted to you could even slay all those mo fo's left and right to your heart's delight. Also makes the Aya experience much more clean, pure and beneficial. The spirit of the frog brings it to the legendary 1+1=3. In fact more often than not when I have Aya without doing Kambo in close proximity, I feel like something is missing.

It is known to the indigenous people that Kambo deflects all darts and/or sorcery. If one was so inclined they could repel the darts of the most advance Brujos and make them eat there own poison. It also makes one fearless and when I have Aya in close proximity to Kambo and am in the middle of the forest I feel no fear despite the odd sounds.

Kambo can be your Curandero

 

[olympus mon]

Any how, I have been reading up on these things, as I have done for years, and came across a couple of articles / videos etc, that pointed to taking Aya (/pharma /smoked DMT/Changa as well I guess) as being dangerous, leaving us open to 'spiritual parasites' and demonic entities. I have also heard of Nexians talking of posession type scenarios and, to be honest, I am not too keen on getting posessed / soul sucked etc. At the same time, I have little money and too much responsibility to just hop on a plane to find me a bona fide curandero / shaman.

A solution to this is to do Kambo first thing in the morning and have Aya once it is dark. Kambo repels all negative energies and if you wanted to you could even slay all those mo fo's left and right to your heart's delight. Also makes the Aya experience much more clean, pure and beneficial. The spirit of the frog brings it to the legendary 1+1=3. In fact more often than not when I have Aya without doing Kambo in close proximity, I feel like something is missing.

It is known to the indigenous people that Kambo deflects all darts and/or sorcery. If one was so inclined they could repel the darts of the most advance Brujos and make them eat there own poison. It also makes one fearless and when I have Aya in close proximity to Kambo and am in the middle of the forest I feel no fear despite the odd sounds.

Kambo can be your Curandero

Really? This is interesting I havent read about Kambo and aya. What regions do they use the 2 together? Do other people feel this same protectiveness?

 

[VisualAnemia]

Aya/Pharmahuasca can be fatal if done without caution since the mao-i INHIBITS, which means your stomach is suddenly functioning very differently from what it normally does. Normal foods which you don't think twice about consuming might end up killing you due to certain dietary amines your little tummy suddenly can't break down.

Other than that the normal/usual precautions before and and after taking psychedelic drugs would apply, no driving, adding more substances or anything plain stupid like "hey lets go for a ride the car BRO!"

Be safe.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Aya/Pharmahuasca can be fatal if done without caution since the mao-i INHIBITS, which means your stomach is suddenly functioning very differently from what it normally does. Normal foods which you don't think twice about consuming might end up killing you due to certain dietary amines your little tummy suddenly can't break down.

Source?

This is hardly true and harmalas are RIMA's...a subset of MAOIs that are known to have significantly less, if no interactions with tyramine, etc. The R stands for REVERSIBLE

Less fear mongering, moar facts, please.

 

[Eliyahu]

Any how, I have been reading up on these things, as I have done for years, and came across a couple of articles / videos etc, that pointed to taking Aya (/pharma /smoked DMT/Changa as well I guess) as being dangerous, leaving us open to 'spiritual parasites' and demonic entities. I have also heard of Nexians talking of posession type scenarios and, to be honest, I am not too keen on getting posessed / soul sucked etc. At the same time, I have little money and too much responsibility to just hop on a plane to find me a bona fide curandero / shaman.

A solution to this is to do Kambo first thing in the morning and have Aya once it is dark. Kambo repels all negative energies and if you wanted to you could even slay all those mo fo's left and right to your heart's delight. Also makes the Aya experience much more clean, pure and beneficial. The spirit of the frog brings it to the legendary 1+1=3. In fact more often than not when I have Aya without doing Kambo in close proximity, I feel like something is missing.

It is known to the indigenous people that Kambo deflects all darts and/or sorcery. If one was so inclined they could repel the darts of the most advance Brujos and make them eat there own poison. It also makes one fearless and when I have Aya in close proximity to Kambo and am in the middle of the forest I feel no fear despite the odd sounds.

Kambo can be your Curandero

I mean no offense but I have real doubts that Kambo can repel all negative entities just through the act of consuming it. I have a real hard time believing there is any substance that could have such power.

 

[mew]

with the power of belief anything can be made a safeguard from insanity. i feel this is why intention is necessary for safest experiences...

 

[aliendreamtime]

Touching on that mew, you guys should learn more about shamanism. Plant Spirit Shamanism by Ross Heaven and Howard Charing is a great book that covers the intricacies of shamanism.

How do shamans protect themselves supposedly?

THEIR SPIRIT ALLIES!

Make friends with the big old trees, ayahuasca, the lakes and mountains, the flowers,your ancestors and call on them in your time of need.

Its all about calling out to your allies IMHO.

 

[Kobranek]

Touching on that mew, you guys should learn more about shamanism. Plant Spirit Shamanism by Ross Heaven and Howard Charing is a great book that covers the intricacies of shamanism.

How do shamans protect themselves supposedly?

THEIR SPIRIT ALLIES!

Make friends with the big old trees, ayahuasca, the lakes and mountains, the flowers,your ancestors and call on them in your time of need.

Its all about calling out to your allies IMHO.

Good call on the most powerful allies which are our ancestors! They are the ones who helped us get to where we are now. They have a wealth of knowledge stemming back from the origins of our existence. We owe a lot to them by continuing our legacy and spreading our knowledge onto future generations. Most importantly they are always willing to be a source of power and sustinence to better ourselves for all.

 

[Kambogahuascanga]

Sorry I missed the question:

Really? This is interesting I havent read about Kambo and aya. What regions do they use the 2 together? Do other people feel this same protectiveness?

The Kaxinawa and the Yawanawa both of the Pano family tribes in Brazil.

Mew is pretty write on in my opinion as I am quite religious in my confident zeal for Kambo. But that being said I have had some pretty amazing things happen where for one reason or another a certain person was trying to inflict me with negative energies. Without me doing anything he hit a very unfortunate series of events in his life. I meant no harm to him and I didn't put out anything negative but in various e-mails this sorcerer said he was going to put spells on me. He had ripped me off in business and I made it known to him that I was going to have to ruin his business. Since then he has in effect ruined it for himself. He's an African just in case your wondering.

I do feel extremely confident in the forcefield energy of Kambo especially related with Iboga and/or Ayahuasca cermemonies. It can provide the space for a very pure experience.

 

[fairbanks]

If this thread is about the risks of plant medicine use, I'm not sure why Kambo is recommended before first time ayahuasca. Kambo is the most physically painful/purgative out of the medicines. It's more a poison than a psychedelic and would be a lot riskier to take than ayahuasca b/c you never know how people will react to it. While I have read about it's strengthening capabilities for immune system and psychological well being, it seems like quite an ordeal to go through (just read some exp reports). I have also read that people have died from taking too much b/c of them not feeling desired effects after one or two dots.

Wouldn't smoking mapacho regularly and maybe a vine only session be more preparing? Mapacho smoking builds up phlegm darts which shamans say can be used against spiritual parasites. Also, if you take vine only brew first you can experience the mother and a sense of protection then during admixture. Kambo seems like something a more advanced medicine practitioner would use in preparation for high dose ayahausca. Regardless, the original use of Kambo was for strengthening hunters, so our intentions seem little bit off center. If Kambo became a fad in the psychedelic community those beautiful little phyllomedusa frogs would surely become extinct. They are already on IUCN Red List for threatened species...

 

[fairbanks]

I'm sure it will make an iboga or aya journey lighter b/c kambo works on the brains opioid receptors. For myself I'm not sure it would help my healing b/c opiates have always made me cloudy and not very mindful. Not sure I'd want to go into a healing mind manifest journey like iboga or aya after that. While it would definitely make you fearless and accepting, I'm not sure how helpful healing that is to naturally get over fear and naturally gain acceptance. Seems more like an aide to me, but that's just IMO. I understand it's use in hunting though, I'd gladly accept the fearless boost when walking around the jungle looking for dinner.

 

[cosmic butterfly]

awesome thread guys , i have been "spiritually attacked" before but that was when just starting out and gone in without knowledge or preparation, just took enough maoi to b inhibited and way too much dmt, and without ritual. Ive learned that these things need to be respected as much as we can and we will be treated back with respect and love. First learned better to have a higher concentration of caapi than dmt, which for me always provides for a more warm,guided, and healing experience-also feel this with smoking dmt, only do changa now. And ritual can be very beneficial, like mentioned before some premeditation, giving thanks to the spirits, and if have burn some sage or palo santo to help clear the space. Been a few years now since started using these precautions and only beneficial experiences. No proper shaman would go in without ritual and they have more knowledge and experience then we do so best we try to follow and learn from them as much as we can. Another thing to consider is perhaps it is not a "demonic entity" if they even exist, since if one doesnt allow to be effected by the energy by not being afraid and just not paying attention to it instead of fighting it than perhaps it is not negative at all and positive n negetive energies are just a product of our perception n ego. Dont be afraid anything that comes forth say yes to everything and if you feel things going wrong always great tool is to focus on the breath. Happy journeying