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The Term 'Breakthrough'

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What's the point of low dosing? I imagine sitting in a room, maybe in the presence of others, taking a hit, and commenting on how the carpet is shifting or something.
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Everyone's different. The point to you may not be the point to someone else. Low dose may give someone access to something through relationship and intention that isn't found when one's focus is elsewhere.
There's a great deal of depth in low doses, one just has to know how to access it.
One might also ask, "whats the point of a breakthrough?" as well. 🤷🏾‍♂️

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What's the point of low dosing?
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What's the point of working with the medicine for you?
It's all very personal. If you're there to explore, then all levels of experience are worthy of attention.
It's not about a dose, either. That's our human, mundane view. Medicine can welcome you in at any dose, even without ingesting it.
There are higher levels of reality and there are higher laws in this world. Don't rule out something just because it didn't work for you before.
You can check your set and setting with low doses. Maybe you'll find some answers there.

With maturation and experience, one doesn't need much to get into a specific headspace.
As said before, you can apply different methods to heighten and deepen it.
Doing a low dose ceremonially with a yoga session and maybe some breathwork could open doors you never knew existed.
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Like what? Is there an example of some lessons or benefits gleaned from your experiences you could share? There's a lot of medicines and if I'm understanding you guys correctly, the vague mood enhancements from low doses is something a lot of medicines could do, arguably better. And even for niche cases when DMT could be fun to explore at low doses, wouldn't it be better to do it orally via ayahuasca? I'm 100 on board with aya, and can totally see breathwork, yoga, nature, and more going well with that. I have a hard time understanding the case for sub breakthrough freebase.
 
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Like what? Is there an example of some lessons or benefits gleaned from your experiences you could share?
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It wasn't an attack on you or your approach, but a genuine question to better understand you.
What are you after? What is your reason for this kind of work?
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There's a lot of medicines and if I'm understanding you guys correctly, the vague mood enhancements from low doses is something a lot of medicines could do, arguably better. And even for niche cases when DMT could be fun to explore at low doses, wouldn't it be better to do it orally via ayahuasca? I'm 100 on board with aya, and can totally see breathwork, yoga, nature, and more going well with that. I have a hard time understanding the case for sub breakthrough freebase.
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I'm an aya guy myself, but low doses of changa have their place and benefits. I can't tell you much about freebase, but harmala-based mixes offer their own guidance and lessons. Even oral harmalas and smoked freebase could be a nice entry point. Yet, I'm no smoker and enjoy teas. In my opinion, low-dose acacia/mimosa tea with a proper dose of oral harmalas is very healing.
 
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Like what? Is there an example of some lessons or benefits gleaned from your experiences you could share? There's a lot of medicines and if I'm understanding you guys correctly, the vague mood enhancements from low doses is something a lot of medicines could do, arguably better
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You should know that what we bring back isn't that cut and dry and sometimes the benefits are just as hard to put into words. Regardless, one can still have a journey. There are many types of journeys. There are many types of benefits. Some would say more benefit than a breakthrough that shatters one too much to know what the hell happened. Often the breakthrough provides many people with more questions than answers and so one could ask whats the benefit of a breakthrough.
Perhaps what you struggle with in low doses others thrive and glean a great deal from.

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To add, low dosing is perfect for somatic and psycholytic work and can still grant access to hyperspace without shattering an individual. While pharma and aya are great for similar types of work, sometimes time doesn't permit the use of those particular medicine combinations.

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Like what? Is there an example of some lessons or benefits gleaned from your experiences you could share? There's a lot of medicines and if I'm understanding you guys correctly, the vague mood enhancements from low doses is something a lot of medicines could do, arguably better. And even for niche cases when DMT could be fun to explore at low doses, wouldn't it be better to do it orally via ayahuasca? I'm 100 on board with aya, and can totally see breathwork, yoga, nature, and more going well with that. I have a hard time understanding the case for sub breakthrough freebase.
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Im not necessarily talking 5mg here although that may be useful too. 10mg is probably closer to the range I mean, although i haven't measured anything in ages tbh. To me the better way to think about it is like being able to repeatedly dip into a more brief but still deep LSD or mushrooms experience, but it's even more clear, fine tuned, and rich in some ways

Ironically my companions and I find that 100ug LSD followed by lower doses of changa/DMT can even be deeper and more functional/useful than breakthrough doses when combined with the right techniques
 
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My personal definition of a breakthrough is finding a new perspective beyond anything I thought possible. An epiphany. A new realization. A new awareness of being.

I have had experiences that would not quite push into the threshold of what some would consider a breakthrough. No machine elves giving high fives, no other worldly beings floating around telepathically giving me insights into the inner workings of reality, no jesters to amuse me or baffle me, none of that. The breakthrough for me could be simply letting all of that go and resting into a place where there are no thoughts, no colors, no amusements, no distractions, no emotion.

A place of complete and total awareness of being, aware of being aware. If that makes any damn sense. I am aware and it is only this awareness and this awareness alone.

I have had a similar experience but everything was white. In the whiteout, the emotion of love is present, but again it is just an awareness. No five ring circus side show.

I have had breakthroughs in life as well. Often spurred on by psychedelic breakthroughs. The breakthrough continued into my every day reality in a positive way. Integrating these powerful experiences into a working way in my life as best I can. Part of me thinks that the circus side show is the distraction, the side show is often seen as the breakthrough experience. It's fun to breakthrough into a crazy hyper-real world, but my definition of a breakthrough would be to bring something back with you to work with. Follow the sideshows into a infinite rabbit hole of distractions.

I have had so many experiences that would qualify as a breakthrough with the machine elves and all the rest of the madness and insanity in there. That place is freaking wild. These experiences were often so chaotic and jumbled up that I could not make heads or tales of anything. Often forgetting most of it and what I do remember just seems like someone took 10,000 puzzles with 10,000 pieces in each puzzle, threw them all in a pile, scrambled up all the pieces, laughs hysterically and tells me to put it all the puzzles back together. I just come out of it going WTF?!

I think each person should define breakthrough for themselves.

I like Minty Love's take on DMT and his take on this topic. I agree with what he says in this video -> DMT: Your Healing Relationship
 
I'm new to the forum and this is the first thread I've read. I've been on Reddit, reading of people's DMT experiences and sharing my own. I do think the focus on "Did I breakthrough?" really does cloud the experience for many of us. There will always be gatekeepers insisting that "No you didn't. If you did, you'd know." But... as many in this thread have said, there are so many versions and variations of the DMT experience and all levels and layers can be profound and offer up goodness of one shape or other.

I had one night where I was "casually" hitting the pen, going slow and feeling quite careful/nervous. By the second hit, I was in some sort of city made of light, with the information superhighway zipping all around me. Suddenly, 5 entities - can I admit they reminded me of the Powerpuff Girls? - zoomed up to me to tell me how happy they were that I was there. This was with my eyes closed, but I do remember being lucid and knowing that I was still me, still tripping in my studio. It was a delightful moment, certainly. I waited a bit, then hit the pen again. This time I was in a hall and before me was God, or the face/head of God. It was an Easter Island type figure, with a very "digital" vibe. It's features constantly shifted, like one eyebrow was doing this and the other was doing that, each ear was shape-shifting etc. I realized that that's what God was - pure evolution itself. The ever-evolving nature of... nature. I asked, "Should I look away?" and the answer was along the lines of "Not for any moral reason, but perhaps if this information is too much to take in in the moment." This was still with me lucid enough to know where and who I was. I didn't enter this hall through a waiting room and there were no entities, only God. I've had many other visions on DMT, like beings spiraling upwards in a cosmic vortex of light, but again, I was semi-lucid. I've had many trips where I've left my body, become un-me, and have seen all sorts or been shown things by entities, but I don't know that any of my trips fit the textbook definition of Breakthrough. And yet...
 
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