TEK "TnT tek" - Vodka DMT extraction for oral use TEK (super easy!)

[Ambrosaure]

This tek has been created by @Transform, explained by @blig-blug so thanks to both of them

The vodka tek recipe for 100g of Mimosa Hostilis:

You need:
- 100g MHRB (mimosa Hostilis Root Bark)
- 1000ml Vodka
- ~100g calcium hydroxide [a.k.a. pickling lime, food lime,slaked lime, Kalkwasser, or simply, lime] (the amount is not exact, it's just an asumption to give an idea of the amount needed)
- coffee grinder
- coffee filter
- 2L jar
- a big syringe (optional)

RECIPE:
1. Grind the most finely you can the MHRB
2. Mix it with the vodka in the jar
3. Wait for couple of hours (you can wait longer, I personally wait couple of days)
4. Filter the MHRB (if you wait it will go at the bottom of the jar and be super easy to filter!). The liquid will be super dark red/purple
5. Pour spoon by spoon, very slowly, a part of the calcium hydroxide into the jar while mixing
6. Wait to see if precipitation occurs, if not you can continue to add the lime and mix
7. When the precipitation occurs a yellow transparent liquid will appears. At this point stop adding lime and wait couple of hours
8. You can now suck all the DMT with the syringe or put all the liquid/paste and filter it! (I perosonally did both, took the more pure liquid I could and then filter the rest to took everthing I could)

Optional: After that you can add more vodka to try to get a bit more of DMT.
Optional 2: You can put water to filtering more easily and try to get more DMT but you will not know this way how pure DMT you get so do it only after getting all the pure DMT you could. Also, this step took a lot of time to filter it well

REDUCTION:
- If you don't want to use alcohol, you can mix it with water. Alcohol will be evaporated before water, so you can stop evaporating once it doesn't smell like alcohol anymore.
- You can reduce your vodka DMT in a bain marie (or you risk burning it). You can use a low boil at first when it has a lot of volume, and switch to bain marie later.
- To be sure the DMT will not precipitate you can put some acid in your preparation (vitamin C, vinegar, lemon juice...)
- It can be evaporated until an oily residue remains.
- You can freeze your preparation to later use (I did some ice cube personally)

Some notes:
- It's better to use food grade calcium hydroxide if you can, I found the cheapest one on etsy. But I ended up using one 94% pure made for agriculture which worked just fine
- Be careful with the calcium hydroxide: it's harsh on the skin, so avoid touching it, or wash your hands thoroughly (don't touch your eyes before doing so!)
[Mod edit: also wear eye protection and a face mask as a matter of course]
- For dosing, consider there is no loss. So if your dose is 5g of MHRB, a preparation made of 100g while be diving by 20
- It's only for oral use, so you need to do take a MAOI if you want it to work
- When I reduced my preparation, it left a residue at the bottom of the pan. I'm not sure of what it was so I throw it away. I'm pretty sure it was not DMT since the potion worked perfectly for me

Some pics!
The appearance before precipitation (vodka + lime)


After precipitation occurs:


The deposit I had after reduction:


And the final product! (I love that it matches my decor haha



I'm a newbie in extraction recipe so if I was able to do it everyone can, it was very very easy. The only "negative" point I can see is if someone have a no alcohol rule for security reason.
NB: I'm not an English speaker so sorry if I made mistake or weird sentance, don't hesitate to tell me and I will edit the post [Mod note: at your service!]

 

[Transform]

This tek has been created by @Transform, explained by @blig-blug so thanks to both of them

The vodka tek recipe for 100g of Mimosa Hostilis:

You need:
- 100g MHRB (mimosa Hostilis Root Bark)
- 1000ml Vodka
- ~100g calcium hydroxyde (the amount is not exact, it's just an asumption to give an idea of the amount needed)
- coffee grinder
- coffee filter
- 2L jar
- a big sringe (optionnal)

RECIPE:
1. Grind the most finely you can the MHRB
2. Mix it with the vodka in the jar
3. Wait for couple of hours (you can wait longer, I personnaly wait couple of days)
4. Filter the MHRB (if you wait it will go at the bottom of the jar and be super easy to filter!). The liquid will be super dark red/purple
5. Pure spoon by spoon, very slowly, a part of the calcium hydroxyde into the jar while mixing
6. Wait to see if precipitation occurs, if not you can continue to put the calcium and mixe
7. When the precipitation occurs a yellow transparent liquid will appears. At this point stop putting calcium and wait couple of hours
8. You can now suck all the DMT with the sringe or put all the liquid/paste and filter it! (I perosnnaly did both, took the more pure liquid I could and then filter the rest to took everthing I could)

Optionnal: After that you can put more vodka to try to get a bit more of DMT.
Optionnal2: You can put water to filtering more easily and try to get more DMT but you will not know this way how mure DMT you get so do it only after getting all the pure MDT you could. Also, this step took a lot of time to filter it well

REDUCTION:
- If you don't want to use alcohol, you can mix it with water. Alcohol will be evaporated before water, so you can stop evaporating once it doesn't smell like alcohol anymore.
- You can reduce your vodka DMT in a bain marie (or you risk burning it). You can use a low boil at first when it has a lot of volume, and switch to bain marie later.
- To be sure the DMT will not precipitate you can put some acid in your preparation (vitamin C, vinegar, lemon juice...)
- It can be evaporated until an oily residue remains.
- You can froze your preparation to later use (I did some ice cube personnaly)

Some notes:
- It's better to use food grade calcium hydroxyde if you can, I found the cheapest one on etsy. But I ended up using one 94% pure made for agriculture who worked just fine
- Be careful with the calcium hydroxyde: it's harsh on the skin, so avoid touching it, or wash your hands thoroughly (don't touch your eyes before doing so!)
- For dosing, consider there is no loss. So if your dose is 5g of MHRB, a preparation made of 100g while be diving by 20
- It's only for oral use, so you need to do take an IMAO if you want it to work
- When I reduced my preparation, it left a residue at the bottom of the pan. I'm not sure of what it was so I throw it away. I'm pretty sure it was not DMT since the potion worked perfectly for me

Some pics!
The appareance before precipitation (vodka + calcium)
View attachment 108923

After precipitation occurs:
View attachment 108924

The deposit I had after reduction:
View attachment 108925

And the final product! (I love that it matches my decor haha

View attachment 108927

I'm a newbie in extraction recipe so if I was able to do it everyone can, it was very very easy. The only "negative" point I can see is if someone have a no alcohol rule for security reason.
NB: I'm not an English speaker so sorry if I made mistake or weird sentance, don't hesite to tell me and I will edit the post

Wow, thanks for doing the write-up that I've been procrastinating on for somewhat over 2 years!

This method was provisionally dubbed the 'TnT tek', after the youtube channel where I stumbled across the tannin removal method, but also conveniently to stand for "Tincture, no Tannin" as a back-formation.

I hope that it serves you well - be sure to report back with results and observations, positive, neutral, or negative!

 

[Transform]

Credit is also due to @Sicho Naut, both for helping to inspire the thought processes leading to this method, and for struggling away with my badly-explained version of it during its alpha development phase.

The thing we learnt there is that slow and patient addition of small amounts of lime effects the best results in terms of ease of recovery of the tincture. Rinsing the calcium tannate cake with a bit more vodka helps a lot with alkaloid recovery too.

Furthermore, @blig-blug noted that heating was probably unnecessary (although heating does get the initial extraction done within half an hour), and on that note it's worth mentioning: chilling the MHRB extract in the fridge or, better, the freezer will result in additional precipitate of tannins. Decant or pipette away from that and it should save some amount of lime during the tannin removal step.

Something worth bearing in mrnd is that the neutralisation of the Ca(OH)₂ with any tannins and protonated alkaloids leads to an increase in the water content of the tincture. Chilling in the freezer followed by pipetting off the yellow liquid from the resulting ice crystals proved to be a reasonably convenient way of concentrating the tincture without having to evaporate anything, even if it didn't work as hoped as a method of precipitating any alkaloids.

There may be a couple more observations to follow…

Oh, and do you mind if I add "TnT" to the thread title? Just for the sake of consistency.

 

[Ambrosaure]

Credit is also due to @Sicho Naut, both for helping to inspire the thought processes leading to this method, and for struggling away with my badly-explained version of it during its alpha development phase.

The thing we learnt there is that slow and patient addition of small amounts of lime effects the best results in terms of ease of recovery of the tincture. Rinsing the calcium tannate cake with a bit more vodka helps a lot with alkaloid recovery too.

Furthermore, @blig-blug noted that heating was probably unnecessary (although heating does get the initial extraction done within half an hour), and on that note it's worth mentioning: chilling the MHRB extract in the fridge or, better, the freezer will result in additional precipitate of tannins. Decant or pipette away from that and it should save some amount of lime during the tannin removal step.

Something worth bearing in mrnd is that the neutralisation of the Ca(OH)₂ with any tannins and protonated alkaloids leads to an increase in the water content of the tincture. Chilling in the freezer followed by pipetting off the yellow liquid from the resulting ice crystals proved to be a reasonably convenient way of concentrating the tincture without having to evaporate anything, even if it didn't work as hoped as a method of precipitating any alkaloids.

There may be a couple more observations to follow…

Oh, and do you mind if I add "TnT" to the thread title? Just for the sake of consistency.

Thanks! I was wondering if froze the MHRB could improve, I will do that next time

So what you recommand is when the precipitation occur to put it in the freezer? I'm not sure if I have understood it right

And no problem for the "tnt", I wasn't sure of the title and where to put in the forum so I'm glad you have the right to do it

 

[Ambrosaure]

Wow, thanks for doing the write-up that I've been procrastinating on for somewhat over 2 years!

This method was provisionally dubbed the 'TnT tek', after the youtube channel where I stumbled across the tannin removal method, but also conveniently to stand for "Tincture, no Tannin" as a back-formation.

I hope that it serves you well - be sure to report back with results and observations, positive, neutral, or negative!

Oh and my trip was very good, I didn't even have to throw up. Even with the rue taken without extraction. It's a really good side because I need unusual big dose (30g of mimosa, don't do that it's like heroic dose x4 ) to have the heroic trip I like, so it was a lot of tannin and filtration :/ This recipe is gonna change my life and make me gain so much time. Also really good for people who are afraid to throw up or have very sensible stomach

I believe the only change was that it hit faster. So next time I'm gonna mix the dmt with honey and butter to try to have a slow digestion of the product

and no prob I like to summarize things (thanks to my autism, haha)

 

[Transform]

So what you recommand is when the precipitation occur to put it in the freezer? I'm not sure if I have understood it right

The lime precipitation occurs well enough at room temperature. Calcium hydroxide is somewhat unusual in having an inverse solubility curve in water, meaning that it's actually more soluble at lower temperatures. I'm not sure how that shapes up when it comes to aquoethanolic solutions, nor have I any observations on what happens to the lime-treated solution on heating. It's a nuance that appears to be unimportant at present.

The reason I mention freezing is as an alternative method for concentrating the solution by freezing the water out as ice, thus conserving the ethanol content. This is in contrast to evaporation, where the ethanol preferentially gets removed. So, only freeze it if you want to try that out as a method for concentrating the tincture. It's likely to have good keeping properties when kept in a closed bottle and protected from light, and the liquid form can help with measuring the doses once you've established its concentration one way or another.

And I'm super-stoked to find that this tannin removal method has proven to be so useful to you

 

[Nucook]

This tek has been created by @Transform, explained by @blig-blug so thanks to both of them

The vodka tek recipe for 100g of Mimosa Hostilis:

You need:
- 100g MHRB (mimosa Hostilis Root Bark)
- 1000ml Vodka
- ~100g calcium hydroxide [a.k.a. pickling lime, food lime,slaked lime, Kalkwasser, or simply, lime] (the amount is not exact, it's just an asumption to give an idea of the amount needed)
- coffee grinder
- coffee filter
- 2L jar
- a big syringe (optional)

RECIPE:
1. Grind the most finely you can the MHRB
2. Mix it with the vodka in the jar
3. Wait for couple of hours (you can wait longer, I personally wait couple of days)
4. Filter the MHRB (if you wait it will go at the bottom of the jar and be super easy to filter!). The liquid will be super dark red/purple
5. Pour spoon by spoon, very slowly, a part of the calcium hydroxide into the jar while mixing
6. Wait to see if precipitation occurs, if not you can continue to add the lime and mix
7. When the precipitation occurs a yellow transparent liquid will appears. At this point stop adding lime and wait couple of hours
8. You can now suck all the DMT with the syringe or put all the liquid/paste and filter it! (I perosonally did both, took the more pure liquid I could and then filter the rest to took everthing I could)

Optional: After that you can add more vodka to try to get a bit more of DMT.
Optional 2: You can put water to filtering more easily and try to get more DMT but you will not know this way how pure DMT you get so do it only after getting all the pure DMT you could. Also, this step took a lot of time to filter it well

REDUCTION:
- If you don't want to use alcohol, you can mix it with water. Alcohol will be evaporated before water, so you can stop evaporating once it doesn't smell like alcohol anymore.
- You can reduce your vodka DMT in a bain marie (or you risk burning it). You can use a low boil at first when it has a lot of volume, and switch to bain marie later.
- To be sure the DMT will not precipitate you can put some acid in your preparation (vitamin C, vinegar, lemon juice...)
- It can be evaporated until an oily residue remains.
- You can freeze your preparation to later use (I did some ice cube personally)

Some notes:
- It's better to use food grade calcium hydroxide if you can, I found the cheapest one on etsy. But I ended up using one 94% pure made for agriculture which worked just fine
- Be careful with the calcium hydroxide: it's harsh on the skin, so avoid touching it, or wash your hands thoroughly (don't touch your eyes before doing so!)
[Mod edit: also wear eye protection and a face mask as a matter of course]
- For dosing, consider there is no loss. So if your dose is 5g of MHRB, a preparation made of 100g while be diving by 20
- It's only for oral use, so you need to do take a MAOI if you want it to work
- When I reduced my preparation, it left a residue at the bottom of the pan. I'm not sure of what it was so I throw it away. I'm pretty sure it was not DMT since the potion worked perfectly for me

Some pics!
The appearance before precipitation (vodka + lime)
View attachment 108923

After precipitation occurs:
View attachment 108924

The deposit I had after reduction:
View attachment 108925

And the final product! (I love that it matches my decor haha

View attachment 108927

I'm a newbie in extraction recipe so if I was able to do it everyone can, it was very very easy. The only "negative" point I can see is if someone have a no alcohol rule for security reason.
NB: I'm not an English speaker so sorry if I made mistake or weird sentance, don't hesitate to tell me and I will edit the post [Mod note: at your service!]

I’m new to this but with this dmt containing liquid, how do I use it? I currently have a bong and I could buy a vape, or how do I take it orally? If I do take it orally how long am I going to trip?

Foolproof instructions are much appreciated, instructions so clear even a baby can do it would be a blessing.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Ooooo weeeee, I am going to run this in tandem with my attempt at the new rue extraction.

Thanks for whipping this up. @downwardsfromzero had mentioned MHRB tinctures some years ago, and Ive wanted to try it since.

So thank you @Ambrosaure @blig-blug and @Transform

And question, could this method be used for acacia?


One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

Another question. Would grain alcohol be better than vodka?

One love

 

[Transform]

Ooooo weeeee, I am going to run this in tandem with my attempt at the new rue extraction.

Thanks for whipping this up @downwardsfromzero had mentioned MHRB tinctures some years ago, and Ive wanted to try it since.

So thank you @Ambrosaure @blig-blug and @Transform

And question, could this method be used for acacia?


One love

It really is a pleasure. Props also to @Denverevolution for doing some early trials and documentation.

Acacia? - this should work if you're confident in your material being free of unsafe levels of cyanogenic glycosides. That would constitute an even more experimental situation, but the fundamental principles should still function in the exact same way.

Foolproof instructions are much appreciated, instructions so clear even a baby can do it would be a blessing.

Hm, a bit tricky - we're no, so keen on babying people here. There are (at least) two ways of proceeding to a smokeable (or vaporisable) state from the crude TnT tek liquid. Evaporate carefully until dryness (or stickiness, perhaps) on a substrate of your choice - e-mesh, pan scrubber or, in the case of enhanced leaf or changa, a herbal blend of good repute.

It would be wise to measure the weight of material left behind by, say, 1mL of tincture - accurately measured - to get an idea of the strength of the tincture. 50g of MHRB could produce over 50 doses of DMT if it's good bark, well extracted and the DMT get vaporised efficiently. There's an onus on you to remove this unknown for yourself.

After that, there's also the freezing method for increasing the concentration of the product along with its %ABV. Basically exactly like 'freeze distillation' if you've ever tinkered with alcohol production as a hobby. Excess water crystallises out, to be separated from the tincture concentrate by removing the latter (ideally) with the help of a Pasteur pipette or some other level of ingenuity.

The concentrated tincture will allow the alcohol to evaporate off more easily, as well as its lower water content leading to quicker drying times and reduced amounts of leftover water when applying to herbs or whatever.

A final word of caution - there have been minimal trials of the resulting product with regards to safety when vaporised. It would be prudent to take this into account when considering any ROA other than oral, where in this latter case we have both a few data points and the overall food-grade approach to the extraction to fall back on. Particular care should be taken to minimise the amount of excess lime in the end-product. In the event of any concerns, apply a more standard and established purification step before using the product. There's a whole forum where options for that matter have been discussed.

 

[Transform]

Props also to @Denverevolution for doing some early trials and documentation.

And another honorable mention goes out to @Sicho Naut - if I've missed anyone else - like @Sakkadelic perhaps, with an alleged changa derived from this method?

Another question. Would grain alcohol be better than vodka?

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Vodka is the perfect strength (37.5% ABV, "75° proof") for optimal tannin removal. Washing the filtrate with significantly stronger alcohol (69.5% ABV) led to a portion of the red coloration redissolving, so I wouldn't advise using stronger grain alcohol (notwithstanding that vodka is usually just a standardised dilution of grain alcohol anyhow) unless you're willing to go into the process with an experimental mindset and find out, for example, what's going on with the red-coloured alcohol washes and whether they're of any practical psychonautic utility.

The original Chinese paper behind all of this found that standard vodka-strength ethanol was best for tannin removar from crushed acorns, and it seems that this is on account of redissolution of tannins at higher alcoholic strengths.