Using DMT to Recover from a bad LSD Trip?

[D_Romer]

Hi, I am relatively new to the universe of psychedelics. I have been a very very heavy marijuana smoker for the past year, have had shrooms once or twice, and have dropped LSD 4 times. During my most recent trip a couple of weeks ago I made the very foolish decision to drop LSD at a Tool concert which naturally resulted in a bad trip which has definitely affected my life in some negative ways.

Since the trip I have had bouts of anxiety and two extremely debilitating panic attacks to which my friends have suggested psychedelic therapy with DMT to try an confront and resolve my negative feelings and move forward. Would this be wise? I have been strongly intrigued by DMT since I was made aware of it's existence, however, is moving on to a more powerful psychedelic a wise decision after having such a powerful and negative experience?

I am still firmly ground in reality and the anxiety lessens each day but I still have a general feeling of existential malaise that I cannot shake. Could DMT help me recover from this experience and open up a new world of possibilities or only worsen my anxiety? Thanks for your input

 

[benzyme]

however, is moving on to a more powerful psychedelic a wise decision after having such a powerful and negative experience?

maybe in subthreshold doses

but trying to recover from a bad lsd trip by diving headfirst into a fullblown DMT flash is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline. lsd is child's play compared to DMT hyperspace.

 

[CelestialSpores]

You learned your lesson the hard way. I'm glad this happened to you because you can use your experience to help others. I don't know a lot about DMT but I already think it is the most sacred of all the psychedelic entheogens. It is for this reason that I think it may help you. I take mushrooms with my pals for fun and have a good time. I have vowed to use DMT only as a means of healing. I am a stronger person after my recent experience with the spirit molecule.

EDIT: Yes, a small dose would be best.

 

[Hux]

I had a particularly difficult 2C-I experience about a year or so again, which made me extremely wary of trying psychedelics for some time. I had enough for another trip of the same dose left over, and on a perfect sunny day when it just felt right, I took it and the anxiety faded instantly.

What I'm trying to say is, if LSD is causing the anxiety, use LSD to get rid of it. Perhaps it will show you your fears in a new light, and lessen the burden.

 

[Big Inhale]

Why was the trip bad? Also foolish to trip at tool I dont think so. Need more data homey.

 

[Spira]

but trying to recover from a bad lsd trip by diving headfirst into a fullblown DMT flash is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline. lsd is child's play compared to DMT hyperspace.

Second.

 

[RigelL]

I also second that but keep in mind that even some mild doses can be really freaky, and you can get a nasty experience that can prove to be a disaster in your current state of mind. There r other "grounding" tactics like exercise, spending some time with animals, long nature walks, meditation, etc that could be useful to you without the use of psychoactives.

 

[NOISEassault]

I'm going to have to go with wait a while, give your mind some more time to settle, and integrate the experience. If the anxiety is steadily decreasing, then at the very least wait until it is either entirely gone, or otherwise negligible as a factor. You'll know when the time is right.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into this, but I can't help but find it a little disconcerting to see the resonance with the modern approach of the pharmaceutical industry (i.e. This pill messed me up, so let's treat that with another one).

 

[Spira]

I'm going to have to go with wait a while, give your mind some more time to settle, and integrate the experience. If the anxiety is steadily decreasing, then at the very least wait until it is either entirely gone, or otherwise negligible as a factor. You'll know when the time is right.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into this, but I can't help but find it a little disconcerting to see the resonance with the modern approach of the pharmaceutical industry (i.e. This pill messed me up, so let's treat that with another one).

Woah, good job.

 

[kaleidoscope eyes]

I also second that but keep in mind that even some mild doses can be really freaky, and you can get a nasty experience that can prove to be a disaster in your current state of mind. There r other "grounding" tactics like exercise, spending some time with animals, long nature walks, meditation, etc that could be useful to you without the use of psychoactives.

I agree with this 110%.

Some people even find mild doses are more unpleasant generally than a breakthrough dose- the body load in particular can be uncomfortable. One of my most 'uncomfortable' experiences was with a dose of a mere 15mg.


I would go with meditation, yoga, long nature walks etc first before experimenting further with psychoactives. As NOISEassault mentioned, give your mind more time to settle & intergrate the experience.

Peace

 

[jamie]

Maybe lay off the weed for a month or 2...surprised noone has said this yet. If you are a heavy smoker and having panic attacks I think cutting out the cannabis makes sense..reguardless of the fact that LSD innitiated it..

 

[elbowcups]

Maybe lay off the weed for a month or 2...surprised noone has said this yet. If you are a heavy smoker and having panic attacks I think cutting out the cannabis makes sense..reguardless of the fact that LSD innitiated it..

+1 for this.

I for one have never done LSD, and after experiencing DMT many times now, I'm not sure I'd ever need to. The good thing about DMT is that (when you smoke it) it only lasts about 10-15 mins depending on person and dose. If you get stuck in a bad LSD trip, you can be there for hours!

 

[Abakua81]

I warn against this. I had several bad experiences on LSD. I used to take very heroic doses. One time after a spill of gr i ate the cleanup and had what would be called a bad trip. The only way I recovered from it was time. In hindsight it is now one of the best experiences of my life. What helped me was to read everything I could get my hands on about psychedelic states of consciousness. Then I realized that it was a growing experience.

Many years later, I am able to enjoy lsd. Now I keep it to "normal" doses. No more pounding vials or anything crazy.

The reason I advise against this though is that sometimes I start to panic after smoking DMT. The thoughts I had during that bad experience are very similar and can cause me to panic sometimes. Almost like reliving it but for a much shorter duration. So if you are like me the DMT will only make matters worse. Give yourself some time and explore what made your trip a "bad trip". Mine was many years into taking large quantities so there may be a difference here. What was bad about mine may not be at all what happened to you. Be careful and have a sitter that can keep you safe. Fortuantly though DMT is short lasting so even if its horrible it will be over soon.

 

[Abakua81]

Maybe lay off the weed for a month or 2...surprised noone has said this yet. If you are a heavy smoker and having panic attacks I think cutting out the cannabis makes sense..reguardless of the fact that LSD innitiated it..

+1 for this.

I for one have never done LSD, and after experiencing DMT many times now, I'm not sure I'd ever need to. The good thing about DMT is that (when you smoke it) it only lasts about 10-15 mins depending on person and dose. If you get stuck in a bad LSD trip, you can be there for hours!

Though DMT is much more powerful LSD is a beautiul experience. Just because you smoke DMT does not mean all other psychedelics are a waste of time. They are all magical in their own rite.

 

[corpus callosum]

Sounds potentially fool-hardy to try to use another chemical to help you integrate your tricky experience and I see no reason for haste.I would suggest simply biding your time, allowing the negative head-space to subside and resume your travels once this has happened.With the passage of time I reckon you will look back on the difficult trip as having taught you stuff of lasting value (including not getting heavily tripped out in a setting such as a gig!).

 

[cave paintings]

I agree with corpus. Allow some time for the dust to settle. I feel I could give you better advice with more knowledge of what caused your bad trip. If it has really brought up some tough issues that linger, then I would acknowledge them or meditate on them perhaps. I have faith that Time will heal your wounds though. I believe you'll come out stronger. Just give yourself some time to integrate. Dmt is much more intense and would more likely give you a panic attack in the state it seems you're in.
Best of luck!

 

[Phantastica]

Maybe lay off the weed for a month or 2...surprised noone has said this yet. If you are a heavy smoker and having panic attacks I think cutting out the cannabis makes sense..reguardless of the fact that LSD innitiated it..

good advice right here. i one time had a bad trip (not really bad, just psychologically disturbing), and the anxiety stayed for months. i kept trying to get over it, but it was hard, and a part of me felt psychologically damaged. I was smoking a lot of weed at the time, and i didn't realize that weed was what kept perpetuating my disturbing emotions. Only when i was forced to quit (moved in with my parents), that's when i really started recovering.
so lay off the weed for atleast a month or two like fractal suggested.

Also, like Rigel, Noise, corpus and others have mentioned, you should be taking time off from any psychoactive substances, and rather spend your time on meditation, excercise, yoga, etc.
Once you feel recovered (give it a month or two), you can then try self-healing in a spiritual setting amidst nature with a psychedelic you're attracted to. I would suggest mescaline, or mushrooms, but its really upto you.
Best of luck, and heal quick:d

 

[Global]

You mention that you're a heavy marijuana smoker, and I've personally noticed that the combination of marijuana and LSD does lead to some anxiety. Give yourself some time to bounce back, but I feel like your anxiety isn't necessarily the result of a bad experience, but merely a chemical imbalance. I also find more euphoria with DMT. I don't think I would recommend to you ayahuasca because after your last bad trip, you wouldn't wanna get stuck in another bad multi-hour experience, but I don't think smoked spice would worsen your condition.

 

[elbowcups]

Though DMT is much more powerful LSD is a beautiul experience. Just because you smoke DMT does not mean all other psychedelics are a waste of time. They are all magical in their own rite.

I think you got the wrong end of what I was saying there - At no point did I mean to infer that other psychedelics are a waste of time. Perhaps one day I'll try it, but it'd have to be in the right circumstances. For now, I'm content with DMT.

 

[soulfood]

Sounds potentially fool-hardy to try to use another chemical to help you integrate your tricky experience and I see no reason for haste.I would suggest simply biding your time, allowing the negative head-space to subside and resume your travels once this has happened.

This is the process I would follow in such a situation as it's pretty damn well tried and tested and just makes sense.

However, when I've been in situations with a substance where I start thinking in loops and generally having some clouded thought patterns, a low dose of vaporized DMT allowed me to think much clearer. I've never tried this to cure a full on bad trip, but I've proven at least to myself that DMT is a great cognitive enhancer when under the influence of psilocin, at lower doses anyways.