What do Curanderos think about the DMT experience and its rising popularity?

[ommani]

What gets me is OP spent 20 years in South America and Mexico, and instead of relating stories of his experiences, brew recipes and insight into plant use and cultivation, he instead rehashes the "Western civilization sucks" trope. (Meanwhile, OP returned to the US to live ....)

For real... as @northape alluded to, OP was an inspiration... to not be like him...

honestly a lot of people I have met who are going to ayahuasca ceremonies and flying to the jungle etc can also just seem batshit crazy. New agers who seem to have a fetish for all things “indigenous”. Then they come back to blow their own horn and look like idiots.

It’s beyond old at this point…imo.

Yeah, there's a "preciousness" to that whole scene that doesn't appeal to me. A big part of healing and awakening IMHO has to do with finding ease and meaning in one's ordinary human life, in relation to others, and the world as a whole... the most renowned yogis seem to have a genuine simplicity about them, which is lacking/being effectuated in the culture of new-age influencer types turning plant medicine/indigenous spirituality into an idol/sacred cow (with respect to cows).

 

[Jamie01]

I’ve seen one woman at a conference try to claim she had some kind of special shamanic abilities in relation to mushrooms…because she is First Nations. Turns out though she’s from a tribe in Canada with no relation to mushroom use. People eat this garbage up. It’s just some racist lady being given the mic. I dunno. The psychedelic culture is at least just half stupid and it’s kinda sad. Everyone is caught up in subjects are are kind of psychedelic adjacent, but also just not all that compelling.

Count me out of a a lot of it.

 

[northape]

Now we have swayed to the other extreme once again. We could simply see all this craziness as a lesson. It is not that I like New Age aya aficionados, but they are here.

I would say they are a symptom of our surface-level culture, where you do not need to dig deep to earn a lot of money. You just have to be sure of yourself and cook up a story about spirituality and how special you are. Any sane human being would see right through it, so it just highlights that most people live on the surface of the psyche. It is a perfect example of capitalism in action, imo.

Even true curanderos become corrupted because they have families, and their children are brainwashed by the culture to want the latest phone or whatever else. I think we should do nothing about it, though. This society will collapse on its own without any help. Live a wise life and try to set a good example for those who can see.

 

[Jamie01]

It’s how this all intersects with identity politics honestly and it’s what no one wants to discuss for obvious reasons.

But when people start claiming that they have some special native blood etc and it gives them abilities other ethnicities don’t have it’s fair that the gloves come off,

These people are not teachers. They are narcissistic with no real personality to offer…so instead it’s about everything that makes them them, except none of it is relevant.

I won’t be paying hundreds of dollars ever again for some “spirit plant medicine” conference lol.

10 years ago they brought someone to talk about how she takes psychedelics with traumatized patients, and jerks them off. I’m dead serious. People love it cus noodle brains. I just don’t get why more people are not turned off by it.

It’s becoming a big circle jerk around a few personalities.

 

[northape]

10 years ago they brought someone to talk about how she takes psychedelics with traumatized patients, and jerks them off. I’m dead serious. People love it cus noodle brains. I just don’t get why more people are not turned off by it.

That would be good stand-up material. I agree with your views fully. For some time now, I have stopped judging people based on their credentials; the pandemic was a big help with this.

It is all just money games, power games, or whatever-gets-you-off games. Nowadays, I try to evaluate people by how wise they are. Getting away from groups that are based on unfulfilled desires is a good idea, too. There is just as much sickness in the psychedelic community as there is healing. It is the same jungle dynamic: healing and witchcraft. We just put a Western spin on it. Making tons of money and cultivating power over others is pure witchcraft, imo.

 

[Jamie01]

To give more context to this, it was apparently a therapy to help open people who are blocked/closed off/traumatized sexually etc.

She made it clear it’s all consenting adults and she never uses her mouth or vagina. I’m sorry if this is too much for some people. It was too much for me too. I left super weirded out by the fact that these people get to talk at events alongside Dennis Mckenna.

I just wish for something like Mindstates to happen again.

 

[ommani]

My great-great Ukrainian grandmother was an herbalist and said to be part Roma. In effect, I come from a line of herbalists (never mind the rest of my family), including my great-uncle who learned herbalism from his mother and went on to become a famous soviet herbalist, harassed by the KGB for his non state-sanctioned activities. Additionally, due to my (1/32 or whatever it is) Roma ancestry, I can trace my lineage straight back to ancient India, where my ancestors were (presumably) Tantric Buddhists, living on the margins of society, and tripping on various sacraments as part of their sacred rituals. All that is to say that I have chosen to humble myself by gracing this forum with my presence and am here to be of service to the collective. I am currently accepting students, for a limited time, at a generous rate of $400/hour. Feel feel free to DM me and send all funds to my Venmo @spiritualAyaBo$$420.

That would be good stand-up material.

 

[newusername1]

10 years ago they brought someone to talk about how she takes psychedelics with traumatized patients, and jerks them off. I’m dead serious. People love it cus noodle brains. I just don’t get why more people are not turned off by it.

It’s becoming a big circle jerk around a few personalities.

Are you sure she didn't just take a lot of drugs and then mistakenly thought she was at a convention for excentric pricey prostitutes with a preference for noodle brain clients?

That's not as strange as it might seem. The niche markets is where the real money is, they say.