What do Curanderos think about the DMT experience and its rising popularity?

[ommani]

What gets me is OP spent 20 years in South America and Mexico, and instead of relating stories of his experiences, brew recipes and insight into plant use and cultivation, he instead rehashes the "Western civilization sucks" trope. (Meanwhile, OP returned to the US to live ....)

For real... as @northape alluded to, OP was an inspiration... to not be like him...

honestly a lot of people I have met who are going to ayahuasca ceremonies and flying to the jungle etc can also just seem batshit crazy. New agers who seem to have a fetish for all things “indigenous”. Then they come back to blow their own horn and look like idiots.

It’s beyond old at this point…imo.

Yeah, there's a "preciousness" to that whole scene that doesn't appeal to me. A big part of healing and awakening IMHO has to do with finding ease and meaning in one's ordinary human life, in relation to others, and the world as a whole... the most renowned yogis seem to have a genuine simplicity about them, which is lacking/being effectuated in the culture of new-age influencer types turning plant medicine/indigenous spirituality into an idol/sacred cow (with respect to cows).

 

[Jamie01]

I’ve seen one woman at a conference try to claim she had some kind of special shamanic abilities in relation to mushrooms…because she is First Nations. Turns out though she’s from a tribe in Canada with no relation to mushroom use. People eat this garbage up. It’s just some racist lady being given the mic. I dunno. The psychedelic culture is at least just half stupid and it’s kinda sad. Everyone is caught up in subjects are are kind of psychedelic adjacent, but also just not all that compelling.

Count me out of a a lot of it.

 

[northape]

Now we have swayed to the other extreme once again. We could simply see all this craziness as a lesson. It is not that I like New Age aya aficionados, but they are here.

I would say they are a symptom of our surface-level culture, where you do not need to dig deep to earn a lot of money. You just have to be sure of yourself and cook up a story about spirituality and how special you are. Any sane human being would see right through it, so it just highlights that most people live on the surface of the psyche. It is a perfect example of capitalism in action, imo.

Even true curanderos become corrupted because they have families, and their children are brainwashed by the culture to want the latest phone or whatever else. I think we should do nothing about it, though. This society will collapse on its own without any help. Live a wise life and try to set a good example for those who can see.

 

[Jamie01]

It’s how this all intersects with identity politics honestly and it’s what no one wants to discuss for obvious reasons.

But when people start claiming that they have some special native blood etc and it gives them abilities other ethnicities don’t have it’s fair that the gloves come off,

These people are not teachers. They are narcissistic with no real personality to offer…so instead it’s about everything that makes them them, except none of it is relevant.

I won’t be paying hundreds of dollars ever again for some “spirit plant medicine” conference lol.

10 years ago they brought someone to talk about how she takes psychedelics with traumatized patients, and jerks them off. I’m dead serious. People love it cus noodle brains. I just don’t get why more people are not turned off by it.

It’s becoming a big circle jerk around a few personalities.

 

[northape]

10 years ago they brought someone to talk about how she takes psychedelics with traumatized patients, and jerks them off. I’m dead serious. People love it cus noodle brains. I just don’t get why more people are not turned off by it.

That would be good stand-up material. I agree with your views fully. For some time now, I have stopped judging people based on their credentials; the pandemic was a big help with this.

It is all just money games, power games, or whatever-gets-you-off games. Nowadays, I try to evaluate people by how wise they are. Getting away from groups that are based on unfulfilled desires is a good idea, too. There is just as much sickness in the psychedelic community as there is healing. It is the same jungle dynamic: healing and witchcraft. We just put a Western spin on it. Making tons of money and cultivating power over others is pure witchcraft, imo.

 

[Jamie01]

To give more context to this, it was apparently a therapy to help open people who are blocked/closed off/traumatized sexually etc.

She made it clear it’s all consenting adults and she never uses her mouth or vagina. I’m sorry if this is too much for some people. It was too much for me too. I left super weirded out by the fact that these people get to talk at events alongside Dennis Mckenna.

I just wish for something like Mindstates to happen again.

 

[ommani]

My great-great Ukrainian grandmother was an herbalist and said to be part Roma. In effect, I come from a line of herbalists (never mind the rest of my family), including my great-uncle who learned herbalism from his mother and went on to become a famous soviet herbalist, harassed by the KGB for his non state-sanctioned activities. Additionally, due to my (1/32 or whatever it is) Roma ancestry, I can trace my lineage straight back to ancient India, where my ancestors were (presumably) Tantric Buddhists, living on the margins of society, and tripping on various sacraments as part of their sacred rituals. All that is to say that I have chosen to humble myself by gracing this forum with my presence and am here to be of service to the collective. I am currently accepting students, for a limited time, at a generous rate of $400/hour. Feel feel free to DM me and send all funds to my Venmo @spiritualAyaBo$$420.

That would be good stand-up material.

 

[newusername1]

10 years ago they brought someone to talk about how she takes psychedelics with traumatized patients, and jerks them off. I’m dead serious. People love it cus noodle brains. I just don’t get why more people are not turned off by it.

It’s becoming a big circle jerk around a few personalities.

Are you sure she didn't just take a lot of drugs and then mistakenly thought she was at a convention for excentric pricey prostitutes with a preference for noodle brain clients?

That's not as strange as it might seem. The niche markets is where the real money is, they say.

 

[ommani]

@northape I can tell from reading your posts that like me, you too come from a long line of shamanic healers and spiritual masters. If you are interested in taking your path to the next level, I would be honored to schedule a complimentary zoom call with you ($200 service fee not excluded). Feel free to reach out at SpiritualAyaBo$$420@dubiouscredentials.com, and one of my AI assistants will get back to you within 24 hours. I hope to hear from you soon and may you be blessed!

 

[northape]

@northape I can tell from reading your posts that like me, you too come from a long line of shamanic healers and spiritual masters. If you are interested in taking your path to the next level, I would be honored to schedule a complimentary zoom call with you ($200 service fee not excluded). Feel free to reach out at SpiritualAyaBo$$420@dubiouscredentials.com, and one of my AI assistants will get back to you within 24 hours. I hope to hear from you soon and may you be blessed!

As a true healer, I am as poor as they come. It is good that I have a roof over my head, though I need to move somewhere warm. Any donations are welcome

 

[ommani]

As a true healer, I am as poor as they come. It is good that I have a roof over my head, though I need to move somewhere warm. Any donations are welcome

The sad irony is that you seem genuinely qualified to work as an underground guide, if you felt called to do so (certainly more so than all the insta-shamans out there), charging standard rates and making decent money that way. However, I realize that the backwoods of Scandinavia aren’t exactly a hotbed of interest in psychedelic therapy, and such.

 

[Voidmatrix]

The sad irony is that you seem genuinely qualified to work as an underground guide, if you felt called to do so (certainly more so than all the insta-shamans out there), charging standard rates and making decent money that way. However, I realize that the backwoods of Scandinavia aren’t exactly a hotbed of interest in psychedelic therapy, and such.

Definitely agree.

One love

 

[northape]

The sad irony is that you seem genuinely qualified to work as an underground guide, if you felt called to do so (certainly more so than all the insta-shamans out there), charging standard rates and making decent money that way. However, I realize that the backwoods of Scandinavia aren’t exactly a hotbed of interest in psychedelic therapy, and such.

I honestly have about $30 in my account, unstable mobile internet, and no job or social circle. My situation is screaming at me to change countries. However, my mom is of an advanced age, so I cannot move easily. That said, I think I am fed up with this rich European life

I will try to build up some courage and make my way to South America this summer. Maybe I will post in this thread after working with some real curanderos, hehe.

 

[ommani]

I honestly have about $30 in my account, unstable mobile internet, and no job or social circle. My situation is screaming at me to change countries. However, my mom is of an advanced age, so I cannot move easily. That said, I think I am fed up with this rich European life

I will try to build up some courage and make my way to South America this summer. Maybe I will post in this thread after working with some real curanderos, hehe.

That was basically me ten years ago, except I had a solid internet connection. I would have been homeless, hands down, if not for the help of my family who weren’t exactly happy to help me stay afloat. I’ve been working steadily, full-time, since 2017 across various mental health/substance addiction/supportive housing settings, and around 50 hours/week between two jobs for the past 3+ years, using the extra money to pay off the debts I had accrued. Being exposed to so much human suffering has been challenging in its own way, but comes with the territory of working in these types of settings, and is a small price to pay for the opportunity to support myself while supporting others.

I hope you’re able to make it to South America! I don’t mean to flatter you, but your path truly seems like a shamanic one, so it would be awesome if you could spend some time working with experienced curanderos (in a warm setting).

 

[northape]

That was basically me ten years ago, except I had a solid internet connection. I would have been homeless, hands down, if not for the help of my family who weren’t exactly happy to help me stay afloat. I’ve been working steadily, full-time, since 2017 across various mental health/substance addiction/supportive housing settings, and around 50 hours/week between two jobs for the past 3+ years, using the extra money to pay off the debts I had accrued. Being exposed to so much human suffering has been challenging in its own way, but comes with the territory of working in these types of settings, and is a small price to pay for the opportunity to support myself while supporting others.

I hope you’re able to make it to South America! I don’t mean to flatter you, but your path truly seems like a shamanic one, so it would be awesome if you could spend some time working with experienced curanderos (in a warm setting).

I would go your route if I felt at home here. I worked in elderly care for a bit, but it never sat well with me. Locals do not even want to take care of their own parents and push the responsibility onto immigrants. The insane amount of unnecessary pills and a salary that is close to unemployment welfare do not make it attractive at all. Furthermore, you basically live at your job; I even joked with them once about renting a room there.

I do not know about a shamanic path or anything, but I will definitely try to find some traditional healers. Just having sun and warmth would be such a nice change of environment. The medicine called me to the Andes more than ten years ago, and only now do I feel the will to answer. It took me a while. Anyway, let's stop derailing this thread any further. Let's just say I am open to trying the recipe from @Ajqij and working with curanderos for a while.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Anyway, let's stop derailing this thread any further. Let's just say I am open to trying the recipe from @Ajqij and working with curanderos for a while.

You're good. It's part of the ebb and flow of some discussions, and they're not here anyway.

One love

 

[northape]

You're good. It's part of the ebb and flow of some discussions, and they're not here anyway.

One love

Maybe it was medicine that led @Ajqij to this forum and a subsequent collision. Sometimes these energies sit in us for a while and start to integrate only in the right environment. I am taking a holiday break from my rue-chacruna work and seeing how more integration happens by itself each day. It is more calm, grounded, and directed than when I have a session each week. This forum was a big part of my integration after years of working with barks. Just engaging in conversations and reading how others react to medicine helped me find my own peace.