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What psychedelic is most likely to cause bad trips?

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The poll is getting interesting. So far no one is picking anything other than LSD and mushrooms. So it seems I’m right so far, at least to a certain degree. According to the results so far it looks like certain compounds are more likely to cause bad trips than other compounds. Like I said in other posts, LSD is prone to causing bad trips. This is well known, and this poll seems to be showing that. Although I'm surprised to see mushrooms are also getting a bad rap on this forum. I did a similar poll many years ago on another forum and LSD was way up there, far above anything else.
 
I have to vote for 5-meo-dmt. I really don't like that stuff smoked. Very uncomfortable, borderline terrifying.

Shrooms would be my second choice, but it is 100% dose dependant. Under 2-3grams it is highly unlikely (at least for my wife, friends, and myself). Over 3grams of P. Cubes, the chance increases.
 
I think for most people on this forum, bad trips are rare. But i don't believe that anybody can be immune for them. I once though i was immune to bad trips. But then, one day i took acid and accidentally fell on the floor. That caused a wave of negative thoughts and it became worse and worse and my mind was racing so fast that it felt that i couldn't keep pace with this 'negative-thought ferrari in fifth gear'. I think with mushrooms, DMT or ayahuasca, there might be a chance of the experience being too heavy. But it's easyer to remain calm with them. The energy of LSD that can be so euphoric, can also be a disadvantage here when it starts taking you over. It's a sort of energized fear then, that can lead to total panic. With ayahuasca i once had the scary thought that i might have eaten tyramine containing food and that i would be possibly one of those one in a million people sensitive to this tyramine stuff. But no matter how powerfull the stuff was, i could remain calm and i could tell myself that there was no need to worry and a minute later i had almost forgotten about this. With LSD it's much more difficult to remain calm at all times.
69ron told in some thread that LSH and LSA can cause shortness of breath. I think LSD has this effect as well, be it smaller. Normally you won't notice it, but when a panic attack happens it becomes very noticeable and then this is another real disadvantage about acid.
 
I had some friends who had a horrible trip on 2C-E.
But they were stupid and didn't know what it was, so they took it.
Long story short, it was probably the human error which made the trip bad.

Though, I don't understand why mushrooms is ranking so high. I've never had a bad experience with mushrooms. Even when I went to the hospital (5 grams), under the influence and I had assumed I was dying. But I was only going to visit someone. While the fear was there, the experience was still beautiful.

So, the bad trip potential is there for mushrooms... but I think its a lot more plausible towards stronger doses that would feel stronger than LSD.
 
[quote='Coatl]Why don' you have Saliva, Iboga and LSA on these polls?
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The poll function doesn't allow that many items.
 
Swim hasn't tried the last four so can't vote.
He has had a bad moment one time on all of the first five!
But only shrooms and LSD did he vow never to do again after having a bad time. Horrible confusion.
Mescaline is the friendliest... it made him cry once but it was still a beautiful moment... he likes mescalito.
DMT can be too intense sometimes but he just lowers his dose when he's had the fear.
 
The only "bad" trip I have ever had was from 20mg of pure DOM, many hrs of an acute state of physical and mental distress that produced no insight only suffering. I have had bad moments within trips on a few occasions but for myself even if difficult no trip is bad. I find mescaline and LSD to be very mood elevating and invigorating and mushies melt me like sleepy wax. Aya is the same as mushies to me on many points like the sleepy tone and the nature of the visuals. Iboga is like a speedy deliriant to out there to know good from bad only glad when it is done.
Salvia is just weird when smoked, a fresh quid can be nice though.
I think a persons disposition is more important than the drug.
WR
 
I don't know about mushrooms, but on pharmahuasca and Salvia, when the experiences were about to turn bad, I could just not be phased by them and turn it around into something positive.

Is this typical, that if you don't freak out to something scary, that you can turn it around? Or is that only with low-moderate doses. My doses weren't that high. I found the ego-loss of pharmahuasca to be a great relief and just loved not having the ego for those moments.
 
I've done shit loads of shrooms and I've had bad trips and seen people have really bad trips on shrooms. Never on LSD but that's only because shrooms grow in abundance where I live so a lot of people eat them around here. But I've only had few LSD trips and they've all been good. But the length of the trip for me is really scary. 'Cause if things go wrong you have to suffer for at least double the time you would suffer on shrooms. But I think shrooms can show you more hell but for much shorter time. I've had a couple or so bad trips on shrooms so I know I'll get through alright. So I'm not anxious before tripping on shrooms. My last bad trip on shrooms was actually just bad because I was very tired and that tiredness just got amplified and then I got really hungry and there was no food around and it was just a mess. It was kind of just a physically bad trip.

I've had one bad trip on Salvia and one on DMT. And the DMT one was much worse. On the salvia I was just lost somewhere in a universe that was dissolving into nothing and I didn't know shit. Took me only few hours to recover and I was ready to go again. Even thou it was a heavy dose of 60x extract and I was fighting for my existence I felt fine afterwards. I'm not as scared of a bad Salvia trip as I am of a bad DMT trip.

My only bad DMT trip was so bad that I got a pain in my stomach for months afterwards, everytime I thought about it. I can't describe the trip, it was just bad :(
And I still get extra anxious before smoking DMT. But now I don't remember much from that bad trip so it doesn't bother me too much when I smoke.
 
I haven't yet had what people would call a bad trip. I had one on a small dose of DMT where the clowns were malevolent like they wished bad upon me (evil-looking, grinning), but it was small so it wasn't overwhelming.

The freakiest I've had was on pharmahuasca where I did it the day before work (bad idea) and as it came in waves, when it came around the 5th hour, I thought it would never end and that I had to be at work the next morning. So just do it when you have enough free days. That will be the case, especially when I do shrooms. Need to give them the greatest respect.
 
Have you taken a bit of THH sublingually before the DMT? Like 15mg under the tongue for about 20 minutes. That tends to calm my nerves and slow down the DMT experience, but also makes it more powerful.

DMTripper said:
And I still get extra anxious before smoking DMT. But now I don't remember much from that bad trip so it doesn't bother me too much when I smoke.
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In the other thread, What psychedelic is less likely to cause bad trips?, acolon_5 brought up an important point:
acolon_5 said:
Well I think we should define what a "bad trip" is.
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Yeah, I think I allowed it to be too vaguely interpreted.

A bad trip is when you’re mind is flooded with negative emotions and negative thoughts that keep looping over and over and you can’t get it out of your mind. The whole trip goes south and you just want the trip to end. It’s usually triggered by bad set and setting. This is normally an LSD phenomenon, but can happen with other psychedelics for some people. The terms “bad trip” and “set and setting” have their origin rooted in LSD usage. They were termed specifically for LSD, but now people use the terms very loosely.

A “bad trip” is not simply being shown something bad about yourself. Mescaline can show you things about yourself. That’s enlightenment. It’s a “bad trip” when the negative thoughts keep hammering in your head over and over, in a loop, along with negative emotions, and you can’t stop it. You feel extremely emotionally depressed during the bad trip episode.

A “bad trip” is not being scared by horrifying visions. Freebase bufotenine can show you horrifying visions, and yet emotionally, you are fine. You might be a little scared, but you are not stuck in a depressing emotional loop that you can’t get out of.

A “bad trip” is not having negative body effects. That’s body load.
 
iv had perhaps 2 experiences on mushies that were bad and millions of good ones and the bad ones were my fault - bad set and setting.
lsd can cause major bad trips, salvia is almost guarenteed to cause bad trips.
cactus is least likely to cause a nasty scene - almost not possible imo.
oh and dmt has serious potential to freak someone out.
 
The only bad trips SWIM has had were from LSD. He's used mushrooms and LSD hundreds of times and can't see how a bad trip is even possible with mushrooms (talking mostly Psilocybe cubensis here which is the only one you can by in my area).

Why mushrooms are scoring so high is a mystery to me. I’ve done this survey before and mushrooms were way down there.

In my area mushrooms are commonly known to be less likely to cause bad trips. Here 99% of the mushroom sold are Psilocybe cubensis.

Maybe these people having bad trips on mushrooms are using some mushroom variety SWIM is not familiar with. SWIM has tried psilocybe cubensis hundreds of times and finds it impossible to get a true bad trip from them. SWIM has also tried Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe azurescens a few dozen times and never had a bad trip with them either, although Psilocybe azurescens would be the most likely to cause a bad trip. The effects of the three are very different from each other. Maybe some of the European varieties are causing all these bad trips?
 
not really

where SWIM lived in Dreamland the species they always picked was cubensis, and they are also responsible for bad trips. He also took and witnessed hundreds of mushroom and lsd doses and does not see the same as you see.

I think its misleading to say one substance can cause more bad trip than others, there are MANY hidden variables such as set and setting that are related to it. It might be a personal experience of having had more bad trips with some substances than others, but to me that is nearly as saying that certain days of the week are more prone to causing bad trips than others, like, say, monday.

I dont mean to be the party pooper but I really dont see much point or possibility of generalization as you seem to be wanting to make, ron. I also think it is counter productive to be spreading the word that certain substance causes more bad trip, out of purely subjective experiences or small sample surveys without considering all the variables. This can only influence by suggestion and maybe increase the risk of someone having a bad trip because he read so, while I dont see much benefit in all of this

but whatever rocks your boat
 
endlessness said:
I think its misleading to say one substance can cause more bad trip than others, there are MANY hidden variables such as set and setting that are related to it.
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No. That’s nonsense. It’s the effect it has on the mind that makes a bad trip possible, otherwise drugs like caffeine could cause bad trips. They don’t because they don’t effect the brain in the way LSD specifically does.

As I expected, the poll is proven you're wrong. But it’s also showing mushrooms are lumped together with LSD on this forum as being most likely to cause bad trips, which is a complete shock to me. But the poll still made my point very clearly. Certain drugs are more likely to produce bad trips than others. If it wasn’t the case all the drugs above would have had equal votes and they clearly do not.
 
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