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Whats the best vaporizer for spice?

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the oil burner is the method that i prefer most. i have the most consistent breakthroughs using one of these pipes, if the appropriate dose is loaded. i find that this is the most "i can see whats going on" way to take it in. i can see and taste if i'm burning it and, i think the most important, see if i took down the whole dose. bringing out a meth pipe when showing a friend to hyperspace kind of takes them back a little bit though. thats the only thing i dislike about the stigma of the "oil burner"

i've tried the sandwich bong method with a full dose(50mg) and i had a 20 or 30 mg experience. i've also topped off a friends bowl of weed with it and he said it was very nice, but he wasn't spaced out.

just experiement like i do and you'll find whats best for you.
 
Oilers are a lot like lightbulbs and very difficult to use without burning spice, though some members swear by it. Perhaps SWIY's machine isn't working well enough? SWIM finds the machine to be incredibly efficient but had to experiment with many alternative designs 'til he found the one that worked best for him. While SWIM's still leaning toward improvements (like using ceramic fiber in place of metal mesh), the piece works incredibly efficiently as it is; he just wants to eliminate the use of such sketchy materials as copper and steel (mostly just because of the oxidization factor), but perhaps functionality will improve as well.
 
Blackstatis said:
the oil burner is the method that i prefer most. i have the most consistent breakthroughs using one of these pipes, if the appropriate dose is loaded. i find that this is the most "i can see whats going on" way to take it in. i can see and taste if i'm burning it and, i think the most important, see if i took down the whole dose.
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No offense, but to taste whether the product's burning at all is unbearable and unnecessary for SWIM. In terms of leaf beds and whatnot, SWIM can understand this point, but between a machine and an oiler, this is not a point of contest. With "the machine," all SWIM has to worry about is how hot his vapors are getting (practically never whether it's burning or not), and SWIM can always tell if he's being overzealous or careless with duration and proximity of heat application before even tasting the results (partly partly because he can feel the heat from the glass with his fingers, partly from experience); fortunately his use of a bubbler provides somewhat of a cushion for this, and he rarely (practically never anymore) suffers the wraith of overheated vapors--let alone burnt spice.

SWIM can also understand how SWIY prefers to see what he's doing to the product, but this again is hardly a point of contention for the machine either. It's fairly visible with most designs, but if no more vapor is emitted from the plug, and none was burned, more than likely it's all vaporized. SWIM can see runoff in his design, but that's ok by him, as it's always immediately retrievable to be vaporized (he usually uses harmaloids and overloads his piece anyway anyway). If SWIM wants to get it all at once, all he needs is slightly different bubbler design.
 
vaporgenie = expensive

It's a nifty device, but unnecessary for SWIM and anyone else who would have difficult time obtaining one as well. SWIM's working on building a device that works on the same principals anyway, can readily be used with a bubbler, and only costs a few bucks and takes 10min to build.
 
If you do have a FEW extra $$$ then deffinately go for the VG.

The only problem I find with the "crack" pipe is that you really have to mother that bulb, it takes a long time to get it vapourised, and it can tase quite harsh.

Looking forward to more info on your new devise amor_fati.
 
"I heard that Terence Mckenna uses this method and describes hes most amazing breakthrough experiences".
You should have used the term used and not uses seeing as he's dead. Sorry but i had to point that out :)
 
If you're looking for actual vaporizers, not glass pieces, then look for something that can go a little below 200 degrees F, and the bowl isn't at a downward angle. With the downward angle, your spice might drip down into the machine when it melts. Best to set the temp a little under 200 degrees, too, as to vaporize but not risk burning.
 
a vg is like 60 bucks..that really isnt a LOT of money..i mean most people can make that in a day..which is well worth it..you cant expect to pay less that 50 dollars for any nice bubbler..why pay less for a great dmt vaporizer...

the thing works great once you get the technique down..can have it packed full and smoke all night...never worrying about spilling anything or burning your spice...

im just recommending something that has worked amazing for me and a lot of other people..it doesnt bother me if you dont like it but it does work great
 
Jorkest said:
a vg is like 60 bucks..that really isnt a LOT of money..i mean most people can make that in a day..which is well worth it..you cant expect to pay less that 50 dollars for any nice bubbler..why pay less for a great dmt vaporizer...

the thing works great once you get the technique down..can have it packed full and smoke all night...never worrying about spilling anything or burning your spice...

im just recommending something that has worked amazing for me and a lot of other people..it doesnt bother me if you dont like it but it does work great
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Not everyone has that kind of money to spend on a whim--even on such a nifty investment--nor necessarily easy access to paraphernalia. Some have to make due, but SWIM's found that this drives the creative process and even results in potentially greater methods than the the prescribed readily and commercially available methods. Besides, the VG doesn't easily adapt to SWIM's preferences (bubbler, and vaping without leaf), and the company hasn't responded to inquiry regarding the possibility of releasing a bubbler bowl model (oh well!).

SWIM doesn't mean to come off as some sort of financial martyr, he's not on dire straights, but practically every cent he makes must be allocated as wisely as possible with how many projects he has going at any given time. His "fun money" tends to go into investments of raw materials to be rendered into various creative, spiritual, or recreational pursuits (liking building or restoring and instrument, rather than buying a new one, or extracting a psychoactive rather than getting involved with dealers), and most of the time, he scavenges and recycles instead.

If SWIM can barely bring himself to drop this sort of cash on a desperately needed condenser mic or a highly desirable separator/bubbler (as silly as it may seem, knowing that a slightly pricey piece of kitchenware is being referred to here :roll: ), SWIM definitely can't drop it on an unnecessary pipe, especially when the alternative is to fund potentially revolutionary developments that would render such an investment obsolete (perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but SWIM can't help but feel this way). He's definitely convinced that it's a neat toy with incredible functionality as is stated so often by so many, but as with most things, he prefers the DIY and personalized approach; he's obviously not alone in this within the community.
 
Ive been considering this matter at length. I see the need for a standard model. The machine is that standard model, but i feel some room for improvement still.
I mean to say that glass cutting drill bits and metal mesh are things id rather not have to go out and buy.

I will be looking at existing lab ware and the use of cork to try and come up with something standardized and easy to assemble out of stock parts.
These dodgy home made looking pieces are making me frustrated. DMT is a sacrament and needs something practical to administer it that doesn't look like a 3rd grade lunch time bottle bong with straws and plastic. On the other end of the scale.. the VG is too expensive for many people, and i would rather not fall into the consumerism trap via a dmt pipe. Its just so paradoxical.

We need a pragmatic solution.
 
Not a vapouriser I know, but I just make some 1:1 changa and buy or make a small water bong. It is simple, easy to smoke, no danger of burning spice and you can spend as much or as little as you like on your equipment!
 
xtechre said:
Ive been considering this matter at length. I see the need for a standard model. The machine is that standard model, but i feel some room for improvement still.
I mean to say that glass cutting drill bits and metal mesh are things id rather not have to go out and buy.

I will be looking at existing lab ware and the use of cork to try and come up with something standardized and easy to assemble out of stock parts.
These dodgy home made looking pieces are making me frustrated. DMT is a sacrament and needs something practical to administer it that doesn't look like a 3rd grade lunch time bottle bong with straws and plastic. On the other end of the scale.. the VG is too expensive for many people, and i would rather not fall into the consumerism trap via a dmt pipe. Its just so paradoxical.

We need a pragmatic solution.
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I hate to always be posting these (no I don't) but SWIM and q21q21 have got an incredibly decent start on this:
amor_fati's Mini-Machine Bubbler Stem
"The (mini) Machine" Step by Step Guide

Speaking for the bubbler stem: Don't let the size fool you, the piece does not act as a chamber but a bowl. The pressure between the piece and the chamber of a bubbler is great enough that it leaves the piece almost instantly. All of the future ceramic experimentation mentioned will be done with this model. This is SWIM's choice model, he doesn't use anything else anymore and merely develops off of it.

The beauty besides the simplicity, efficiency and effectiveness, is that the device has developed its own little micro-culture in SWIM's household. Whenever SWIM has guests to journey with, he helps them build their own piece and coaches them a bit on its use. On at least one occasion, SWIM's guest even helped develop a method to retrieve active runoff (which never ever leaves the piece) by pushing the plug up and back down (like a syringe plunger) with the loading rod (this is only necessary if the piece is used at a downward angle). SWIM used to oversee the loading of doses in his standard bubbler bowl and would occasionally invite others to load it themselves, but there was always this irritating sort of power balance; this way is more egalitarian in that it let's people manage their own loading and dosing with their own piece that they built. And when there's multiple bubblers of varying design available...well, that's where the fun really begins; simultaneous dosing is something SWIM hasn't been able to facilitate for some time until this latest development (the old models, long before the bubblers, facilitated this, though it was early in SWIM's use of DMT, so they tended to take turns).

Oh, and it just so happens that SWIM's recently developed method of crystallizing freebase allows for doses to be prepared by cutting off hard chunks, making it much easier to load into such a small opening. How's that for serendipity?


q21q21's piece up there is a miniature evolution of what he's claimed as his choice device, which is a test-tube with a whole punched out in the bottom, a mesh plug in the hole, and a stopper w/ inhalation tube.
 
VaporGenies work very well, however they take a little bit of time to get used too.

Bubblers work amazingly well, they pretty much guarantee you will breakthrough with a 50mg dose. This uses the sandwich method (mj/dmt/mj or ash)

Mini-machines are fine, however I have found that they waste spice and do not deliver the goods.

Bowls work well, although not as well as bubblers.

That's all I have tried.
 
amor_fati said:
Skizm said:
Mini-machines are fine, however I have found that they waste spice and do not deliver the goods.
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How so? No offense, but this seems like a bit of a contrived conclusion.
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That is just from my experience with it. Stuck to the sides, burned, etc.
 
Skizm said:
That is just from my experience with it. Stuck to the sides, burned, etc.
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Well that's a start, would you be referring to SWIM's design in particular? SWIM usually has to coach to some small degree. SWIM's had spice get a bit too hot in his earliest uses, but he knows what burnt spice tastes like and has never had that problem.

A butane torch makes a point, and the best way to use SWIM's design is to point the flame at the device's plug (without direct contact) so that a glow is observed; the device will produce vapor within seconds and should not be heated for an extended amount of time. A good way to gauge is to simply keep an eye on the vapor and feel the heat of the piece with one's fingers (SWIM's bubbler's a pullstem, so this comes naturally), as it shouldn't become too hot at the base if used properly (the plug should be heated, not the glass).

Runoff will occur--this is inherent to the angle of the piece--though it can be retrieved by SWIM's prescribed method. This isn't a problem for SWIM, as he can break through and have some to spare without having to reload again; he also uses harmaloids, so he prefers continual dosing. This is easily remedied by a simple change of angle: SWIM's developed a simple adapter that he will soon post a photo of in his devices' thread, but use of a different design of bubbler could also accomplish this same task.

SWIM doesn't recommend this method for nothing, and SWIM's happy to answer any questions that pop up. Just as any other device takes a bit of practice, so does SWIM's device, but SWIM can teach it's use within 5-15min. Once you get it...well, you've got it. Sorry for high-jacking the thread, but SWIM's been rather surprised and pleased with his results thus-far.
 
SWIM's gotten the fullest, thickest, and coolest vapor he's likely ever gotten using The Inspirator. This works with practically any bubbler and has absolutely no runoff and it's actually difficult to overheat it as long as adequate airflow is established prior to use. It's fairly cheap to make, especially if making several for either multiple people or multiple preloaded devices. It's also quite easy to construct, operate, and clean. Just find a cheap source for ceramic fiber and dropper stems, and you'll likely be set for life.
 
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