Which substance do you trust the most?

[soulfood]

I'm not going to make this a poll... I don't like 'em.

I got to thinking about this because I was diagnosed with GAD a few months back. For 6 months now I haven't been using psychedelics, mainly because it's physically uncomfortable.

I'm getting to a stage now where I'm feeling better about the whole thing, I'm not going to start using again until I'm 100% confident which could be matter of months to years. But long story short, my decision was that whenever it may be, my re-entry shall be from that of the mushroom.

I trust the mushroom. I just do.


It raised the question to me of "What is to trust a psychedelic substance?"

They're all fully capable of deception, psychological stress and a stockpile of neverending questions that life would be "easier" without.

After thinking a little more about why I'm so instantly fond of the mushroom, I drew myself a top 3.

1. Mushroom.
2. DMT.
3. Mescaline.

Now at reasonable doses I think most people would agree that psychologically, Mescaline will present the least challenges. Its warm, bright and if there's one thing I've never associated with any of my experiences with it, then that would be anxiety. On the contrary, mescaline makes me feel invincible. Long days with my closest and dearest, basking in the summer, long walks, talking to horses and feeling a part of it all the way.

DMT!

Oh DMT, DMT... DMTeeeeee...

Well it IS the ultimate. For me it just is. I've gone deeper in my senses, deeper in my mind, deeper in love and deeper into pure ecstasy, laughter and light then with any other... No, not substance. THING. Sure I haven't travelled the world or known many great loves, but this did something to me, over and over again that I can't explain, but then again... don't really feel like I am required to in this place.

I've never had a bad experience with DMT. Certainly not anything near the like of what LSD and psilocybes have subjected me to. I imagine if I'd locked myself away with LSD for the hours which I spent with the spirit molecule... well I'd have at least made the local papers by now. It seems strange that I don't see this as the infinitely loving presence that it has presented before me. Even though it showed me tough love at times, I always felt just that. Love. Aside from that in DMT I have found my potential nd the know-how to get me there and have found the understanding to forgive myself of my mistakes.

So this brings me to my trusty mushroom... well...

She was my first

Unlike DMT, with the mushroom I always have happy memories of others with whom I have shared it's flesh. The experience always begins with a child-like care-free glow, into outward awareness, to introspection, back out and then down. I associate it with music, sunshine and initiation. My relationship with this being has given me a greater respect for my breath and lessen'd my fear of dying. Showed me my first colours on my eyelids, the colours of my mind and ultimately the colours that make me. I certainly wouldn't be a part of all of this that brings me to all of you now if I never met this particular entity.

I suppose in many ways, as much as an entheogen can be, the mushroom is my mother and therefore is fundamentally very me


So Ladies and Gentleman...


Do you place your trust in one ally more than another?

 

[hixidom]

LSD

I think that my all time favorite psychedelic experience occurred with 4-ACO-DMT, but I have a long and lasting romance with Lucy. I've never tried mushrooms or mescaline, but everyone raves about them. Speaking of raves, MDMA is my brothers favorite, and I would say it is definitely the most euphoric of my experiences.

I think that DMT would be my #1 if I could actually remember more from the trips.

 

[Global]

I trust DMT the most hands down. We tend to have a good rapport. Things had gotten a little rocky for a bit, but it's been looking up, and I feel more confident and comfortable there. I could go on for paragraphs on why I trust DMT the most, but we'll just leave it at that for now.

Next up would be LSD and finally would come mushrooms. I don't trust the mushroom. It is a very harsh teacher for me for some reason. It doesn't jive with me on a physical level. There's something just too funky about it sometimes. Maybe I've yet to find "the right" mushroom.

 

[nen888]

DMT..no question..
seems the most readily accepted by the host system to me..
NMT good too, if not very visual, but a little obscure at the moment..

 

[new_science]

Good topic!

I think I trust DMT the most. Even with my most difficult experiences, I have been able to integrate my voyages on/with DMT easily. The worst trip I ever had on DMT, I was able to track down WHY and it wasn't the DMT's fault... it was mine.

I do trust both mushrooms and LSD.

Mushrooms have given me fabulous insight on multiple occasions, however at times they will also impart an inexplicable sense of doom, that I cannot explain nor choose to explore--maybe I should, hm? That being said, I have only worked with dosages between 3.5 and 5 grams, so maybe I am simply overshooting the goal there. Either way, I have a great, great respect for their power and potential. Relatedly, 4-AcO-DMT is one of my favorite substances ever, yet it can be TOO STRONG at times (introspectively). Guilt, sadness, and desperation are feelings that can be difficult to control at the peak if one doesn't take care.

LSD is a little friendlier to me. Its only downfall is that sometimes it can trick me, eliciting mindgames that bring me to pause and question how I got into such an irrational state of mind. Granted, this is rare. I think nowadays I trust LSD second to DMT, in fact. LSD does retain a large deal of clarity with lower doses, and even very high doses retain clarity of thought considering how strong the visual effects may be. For example, I've dosed close to a milligram with no loss of function. It's just not 100% reliable is all. Again, I have great, great respect for LSD's power and potential as well.

I have only smoked DMT, and perhaps it is the short duration that lends itself so well to integration. In my visions are recurring feelings that what I am seeing is what my subconscious wants me to learn. It's strange, but I almost feel that there is a strong super-ego influence at play. Idealistic, actualized visions and lessons come into the picture. Somehow this makes me feel secure and at home.

When I return from hyperspace, I feel as if I have just stepped out of an embrace involving the harmony of neural resonance, and in a way I have been reconstructed. A defragmentation, spring cleaning of the mind and soul.

The sensation I derive from these practically ineffable feelings is the reason why I trust DMT the most.

I should mention that I have not yet had the pleasure of experiencing mescaline. I hear it is a valuable ally to many.

 

[jamie]

Mushrooms and DMT.

I have used both many many many times over the years by now and trust the pharmacology. They can shoot me far out there and twist my mind and make me freak out but I have done this hundreds of times and I know that I will always come down, and within not too long a time either..compared to some other psychedelics.

When we take mushrooms here, its like we prepare to descend into madness for a period of time and just crawl under the covers in bed. It can really freak people out, but I just sort of know that "it happens" ..and trust me..it does happen! If I had a quarter for every mushrooms freakout..

Mushrooms and DMT are the most perfect psychedelics I think. Mescaline is great too but I dont know it so well and it has a tricky side like the others..and goes and goes and really tryptamines are just my main medicine. Cacti is a very occasional once a year thing at least so far.

Acid..I dont trust it lol. enough said.

LSA..uhh..I went to LSA hyperspace and it compared to DMT if you can believe that..I dont trust it though. I dunno if Im gunna get gangreen and loose a leg or just get sleepy or blast off or what.

Even though mushrooms still freak me out after working with them for years often more frequent than weekly..but I also know the freak out and I know that it ends. I know that I wont die..I know what to expect.

Harmalas I really like but I actaully trust them less at large doses, becasue for some reason you can trip for 3 hours and come down or you can trip for 12 hours or 24 hours...really it is like that for me when I take enough of them. Some other processed in the body are kickstarted with large doses of harmalas so I cant say I "trust" it so much..I just never really know what it will do that day.

I trust ayahuasca in reasonable doses. With large doses of vine it's just sort of "lets see what happens"..

I guess I trust salvia too, only becasue I smoked it almost daily for about a year at one point and have grown it for years. It scares me but I know by now it wont really hurt me.

For me the freakout factor does not relate necessarily to what I trust..cus mushrooms and DMT take the cake..but they are also the most guiding allies for me and the friendliest.

 

[AllIsDistraction]

While DMT has certainly launched me to places I'll never forget I would have to say my most trusted has to be Mushrooms.

I'm nearly certain it has to do with the fact I've only ever eaten ones that I have grown myself. There is this strange and wonderful connection you feel when you eat them after bringing them to life, like there is this mutual respect or something. After I ingest them I usually spend some time just contemplating the whole process (spores arrived, setting up the operation, hours of care, mist & fan - mist & fan - mist & fan) and it brings along a peacefulness that tends to stick around for the duration of the trip.

Mushrooms have shown me more about what it means to be alive than anything else I can think of.

Salvia kicked my cosmic-ass pretty hard... it was some real tough-love. I have respect for it, but the feeling is nothing like the trust for mushrooms. Same with LSD. I've had wonderful times with it & terrible times as well. And while I respect it I simply don't feel that organic connection.

Long story short - Mushy mushy mushrooms for me please!

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

They were my first, and I've had the most extensive relationship with them, so I definitely trust the mushrooms more than any other substance. That being said, I still trust almost every psychedelic I've tried, with salvia being the only exception(that shit terrified me). Followed by the fungi would be ayahuasca, lsd, dmt, cacti, 4-aco-dmt, and mxe. Ayahuasca led me to my most expansive/powerful/loving experience to date, but I just haven't spent enough time with her to bump the fungi off their throne(though I'm heading to Costa Rica in a couple weeks to do some extensive work with her and some master shamans). On a side note, I really think growing up playing Mario Bros made me lean toward mushrooms even more. In the live action movie of it, they're told explicitly to "trust the fungus", which makes me smile.

And I did want to mention that although I don't know your personal situation, and your doctor may know what he's talking about, I'd be wary of attaching yourself to the GAD label. Western medicine mostly looks at anxiety as a negative thing that needs to be stamped out, but that's not always the case. Anxiety can be a motivating factor and a catalyst for growth and transformation. We tend to need ups and downs in life, and there are usually reasons for stresses or anxieties that bubble up. And if you can find ways to get in touch with your anxiety and try to trace it to its source, then you can probably integrate it and heal yourself, rather than calling part of yourself dysfunctional and possibly chasing it away or numbing it out with drugs, which doctors prescribe people to do on a mass scale without a lot of in-depth probing into each personal situation. Just my two cents. I hope I didn't just add another anxiety to your list. I'm sure you'll be fine. In fact, I'm sure you'll be orgasmically wonderful during your next stroll down the rabbit hole. Godspeed.

 

[soulfood]

And I did want to mention that although I don't know your personal situation, and your doctor may know what he's talking about, I'd be wary of attaching yourself to the GAD label. Western medicine mostly looks at anxiety as a negative thing that needs to be stamped out, but that's not always the case.

Oh yeah, Don't worry about all that

Originally I went to the doctor complaining of physical issues, they found nothing and I was brushed aside for a while until one guy thought it may be a psychological thing. The fact psychedelics seemed to intensify it had me in partial agreement, especially since they can't find a nerve problem.

Anyways, I've turned down Escitalopram which on some research had big pharma marketing written all over them. Tried beta blockers, didn't like them but I may take them up on some CBT sessions, but mainly just to meet people. I don't have to go far to see what I have to change in life anyways. But I'm cooking up a long term plan.

I'm sure there are folk way worse off than me, but a psychedelic break is the least I can do for now really.

 

[jamie]

"Originally I went to the doctor complaining of physical issues, they found nothing and I was brushed aside for a while until one guy thought it may be a psychological thing"

I had doctors tell me the same thing before. Really they were just full of bullcrap though. Later on I got a different doctor who gave me a real diagnosis. Im not you though. Different bodies different problems. Other health problems can definatly cause extra anxiety though. I know a lot about that.

I did start having really really bad anxiety after about 18 months of being vegan. Eating some fish and raw dairy and B vitamines helped cure that really quick.

I had a doctor even try to prescibe me benzos once when I told him of my use of psychedelic plant medicines becasue he claimed that those things cause anxiety disorders..I never made any referance at all to any anxiety disorder I had in my life either.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

1.mushrooms
2.dmt
3.lsa

 

[Jorkest]

dmt hands down...

ive been tripping to hard on other drugs..and smoked some dmt and it leveled me out...sharpened my senses and just comforted me when things got crazy...

crazy that DMT of all things would help me come DOWN...but for me...dmt just fits..

 

[Macre]

It's a tossup between Mescaline and DMT. I find Mescaline very comforting and cradling, though I've had comforting with DMT also.

I've also had some harrowing experiences with DMT, but I've gained and learnt a lot from these experiences. Mescaline is an older relative who you can always rely on, DMT is a friend who tells you to your face exactly how it is.

Peace

Macre

 

[deadlight]

LSD for sure, its a one way ticket to the me under my ego

i find mushrooms too gentle with me, they let me keep egoic thought patterns. Also they make me nauseous

DMT is incredible but i dont think its taught or changed me much, just made me say wowowowow

i dont trust downs at all! K, alcohol and benzos are dangerous stuff for me

 

[CosmicFool]

I think Im gonna be the oddball here, but this is my list:

1. Alcohol
2. Weed
3. Shrooms

Now I bet many of you think "alcohol as number 1? wtf?" but hey, me and alcohol have a long history, its th 'ol buddy. I always know what to expect when I drink it and on a rare occasion I'll have a bad time.

Second comes weed, most of the time its the mellow me with mean munchies, but then theres those times when I feel like the worlds gonna explode, random anxieties and bad time. Cant really always be sure what to expect when puffing.

3. Now for the shrooms. Shes a fairly new friend of mine, we've had a couple of journeys and mostly had fun, but theres just this thing in trusting strangers and only time will tell if I'll knock her up a notch in my list

Now what comes to DMT. She's a beast, cant trust her at all never ever ever know whats coming, light at the end of the tunnel might be the godhead with eternal bliss or a freight train coming your way. One might feel like envigorated, enhanced and better than ever, or one might get absolutely destroyed after a journey.

 

[Infundibulum]

I think Im gonna be the oddball here, but this is my list:

1. Alcohol
2. Weed
3. Shrooms

Now I bet many of you think "alcohol as number 1? wtf?" but hey, me and alcohol have a long history, its th 'ol buddy. I always know what to expect when I drink it and on a rare occasion I'll have a bad time.

You're not alone - I also rank alcohol as #1, in fact it is my preferred entheogen.

 

[cosmic butterfly]

I think Im gonna be the oddball here, but this is my list:

1. Alcohol
2. Weed
3. Shrooms

Now I bet many of you think "alcohol as number 1? wtf?" but hey, me and alcohol have a long history, its th 'ol buddy. I always know what to expect when I drink it and on a rare occasion I'll have a bad time.
Now what comes to DMT. She's a beast, cant trust her at all never ever ever know whats coming, light at the end of the tunnel might be the godhead with eternal bliss or a freight train coming your way. One might feel like envigorated, enhanced and better than ever, or one might get absolutely destroyed after a journey.

keep alcohol at #1 on the list ull have a greater chance of being "absolutely destroyed"

imo dmt is not as forgiving as many other substances because unlike many other substances it requires an amount of respect for it and ur body, you get what you give. Because of how I approach it after 50+ journeys not one do i not feel "envigorated, enhanced and better than ever" after taking. Nothing ive encountered has been as healing, truthful, and educational as dmt/aya

so for me its
1. DMT/Ayahuasca
2. Shrooms
3. Cannabis

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Interesting, Infundibulum. Can you elaborate on why you say ethanol is your preferred entheogen? =)

Also, I'm wondering how many of you have combined alcohol with classical psychedelics to good effect. I have had great successes, albeit perhaps more recreational than anything else, combining alcohol with LSD and DMT (on separate occasions).



I've never eaten mushrooms - I was just never curious about them, for some reason. But, I have tried 4-AcO-DMT, which is supposed to be at least somewhat similar. Between DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, and LSD, my trust is ordered thus:

1. 4-AcO-DMT
2. DMT
3. LSD

4-AcO-DMT beats DMT slightly because, to me, it is completely impossible to abuse in any way, or even think about taking recreationally, whereas DMT's incredible sci-fi visions can sometimes be a little too alluring.

LSD is the least useful or applicable of the three for me, and most easily invites recreational use. It also seems to be the most psychologically dangerous, with a powerful ability to change the way you think about the world.

However, that's not to bad-talk LSD. It's still in my top three for a reason.

 

[CosmicFool]

cosmic butterfly, of course I dont abuse alcohol. Same goes with any other drug, too much of anything is too much. But to me alcohol is familiar, and I enjoy couple cold ones after a hot sauna or in an evening with my friends. To me DMT is like a new friend, the kind that you know he's a good fellow, but you still wouldnt leave him alone in your house. But as with shrooms, when and if I get more familiar with DMT, I might consider updating my list.

Also putting one substance above another feels funny since they all have their ups and downs

 

[olympus mon]

I think I feel most comfortable with changa or dmt and without a doubt dmt has had the most affect on my life and perception. Ayahausca as well but thats quite a night.

Mushrooms were always my number one until dmt so they still rank high but I do need to eat 4-6 grams to get where I like. Mushies are total solo missions or with good fellow explorers. I dont like mushies in any public setting, same with L.

LSD hasn't been so good for me for a while now. I just feel the Lsd out there now is crap compared to back in the days.
LOVE LOVE LOVE pure MDA. ......Not a huge fan of MDMA. Hate being wired.

Id say my favorite thing is taking MDA, with some 2cb or 5 bromo at a sic D and B dubstep party, coming home busting out the dmt, going to hyper space repeatedly, then coming down with a floaty opiate night cap.