Which substances can take you to another dimension besides DMT?

[polytrip]

With LSD under normal circumstances, it's not realy possible. But when harmala's and datura (be carefull with this stuff) are taken with it, everything becomes possible.

When you say that with mushrooms it's difficult but possible, you're not entirely right. With some types of mushrooms you don't even need very large amounts. With copelandia cyanensis or psilocybe azurescens you can have full psychedelic breakthroughs on just a few (say starting from 2 to 3) grams, dried.
With weak mushrooms you would need maybe tons of it.

With mescaline it's a matter of having strong cacti in large enough amounts.

Ayahuasca is oral DMT and more. Caapi is the true element of divinity here.

Those are the most reliable sources for breakthroughs that i know to be fairly safe.

On many other substances it is possible as well, but those are often substances that are or dangerous or realy unhealthy to use in breakthrough amounts.

The relative comfort and safety of mescaline and the tryptamine's, is what makes that these substances are rightfully the most popular entheogens in the world.

 

[lyserge]

When you say that with mushrooms it's difficult but possible, you're not entirely right. With some types of mushrooms you don't even need very large amounts. With copelandia cyanensis or psilocybe azurescens you can have full psychedelic breakthroughs on just a few (say starting from 2 to 3) grams, dried.
With weak mushrooms you would need maybe tons of it.

Aye I once had an experience with an unknown species of Psilocybe grown in Oregon. I ate a 2.3 gram rocket ship (cap and stem) on an empty sick, and the tryp was not like a come-up - I literally heard a radio signal tune into my brain with this strange alien music, like the sound you hear on a radio when you're going from fuzz to a transmitted signal, and the music was like a holy alien children's choir - tuning in. Then the ancient trees in the forest I was in began to morph, and about two hours of "alien" communication ensued. I wasn't in a breakthrough space; instead the "aliens" had effectively broken through to our space. I'm very curious what species of mushroom THAT was.

 

[jamie]

^I would bet money those were psilocybe cyanescenes someone picked in oregon. Sounds just like them.

 

[Caen]

SWIM thinks its easy on high does of LSD.
The breakthrough isn't the familiar kinda as in spice where it takes you to a different place.
In a simply put way, it makes reality so deformed and distorted, that you might as well be on an alien planet.
You start losing concept of outlined matter, and start to view tangible living objects as a form of energetic beings.
As an example, when you look at people you start to see their chakras and the vibrational energy than what they wear, how they look etc.
Inanimate objects have vivid patterns trickling on the surface and the atmosphere carries out rainbowish flows.

PS. By the way, also Aya can take you far-out.

 

[Twisted]

The breakthrough isn't the familiar kinda as in spice where it takes you to a different place.

I think that what was meant wasn't like that. You know, breakthrough when you are taken out-of-body, period. A different world inhibited with some kind of entities.

 

[clouds]

The breakthrough isn't the familiar kinda as in spice where it takes you to a different place.

I think that what was meant wasn't like that. You know, breakthrough when you are taken out-of-body, period. A different world inhibited with some kind of entities.

Yeah Twisted, I meant exactly that which you say. Another dimension, another place with entities.

Anyone knows if Ibogaine is capable of doing this?

 

[soulfood]

Anyone knows if Ibogaine is capable of doing this?

Yup. I hear very much so.

Also you will spend a while there.

Ibogaine is far too different to anything else though.


I think way more so than salvia. But more friendly in a way. But at the same time much less forgiving. I need to go deeper into that realm to be sure.

 

[goqql]

check acid combined with nitrous or high doses of nitrous alone . For SWIM this produced overwhelming high definition hallucinations and complete cessation of time and space.
Or acid and salvia
In general almost every classic psychedelic be it mescaline,2C-B,acid,shrooms combined with nitrous or salvia.
But be careful! Doing combinations like these SWIM always gets the feeling to be able to fuck something seriously up. I can vividly imagine that people get HPPD and psychosis related mental illnesses using these combinations.

 

[universecannon]

A good dose of acid + smoking A LOT of cannabis throughout can definitely put you into another world behind closed eyelids

 

[vovin]

I know from experience that large dosages of JWH will do this however it lasts a good 45 minutes is very much as intense as a DMT break through (Seriously) but in a entirely different manner. The issue is that getting the right dosage is very difficult and it is a research chemical so your taking a risk there as well. It is found in a bunch of head shops. The herb you get from the shop will most likely have to be concentrated to get the effect but I am not speaking of that as this is just plum dangerous as heck IMHO and not something that someone who doesnt know what they are doing should undertake as there could be possible side effects form overdosage. It's just got too many unknowns about it to be used by a person yet.

I actually come upon it by accident as I loaded a spiked dosage into my pipe and got a big suprise. I was by no means expecting it and if I had not been a veteran DMT user I would have totally flipped out. I guess this is why you hear of kids in town winding up in the hospital after trying this stuff as they arent expecting a break through experience from something that is believed to be like weed. The diffrence in dosage from a regular high to a mind blowing experience is very small amount wise so getting a herb that had absorbed a little too much JWH can floor you pretty good as this stuff is highly concentrated as it is in the top end products. It also comes on slower than cannabis so people dont realize it's 5 times stronger and keep smoking thinking they arent getting much of a effect till wam/bam than you mam!

 

[corpus callosum]

5 MEO DMT, salvinorin A, ketamine, DXM......

 

[clouds]

So the list so far goes as follows:

A lot of people say (completely sure) that it's possible to breakthrough to another dimension with:

Medium / High doses of:

• DMT
• Bufotenin
• Salvinorin
• Mushrooms
• Ketamine


A respectable number of people say (not completely sure) that it's possible to breakthrough to another dimension with:

High doses of:

• Ibogaine
• 5-MeO-DMT
• Mescaline
• LSA / LSD + [another psychoactive]


One (or a few) persons say that it's possible to breakthrough to another dimension with:

High doses of:

• JWH
• DXM



So the three questions I would ask to you gentleman are:

1. Should 5-MeO-DMT be on the first list?

2. Is Ibogaine really capable of transporting the consciousness to alien (inner / outer / who knows) realms?

3. Is there something we should add or eliminate from this list?

 

[jamie]

I have read enough reports of amanitas giving full on breakthroughs into other worlds and astral states..even people going off to other galaxies..I bet you really need the right ones for that and know what you are doing though..

Then there are tropanes..Im sure they can take you out of yourself if you take enough..not that I have experince with that though or would recomend it..but they will do it..I have spoken with people heavily involved in witchcraft with more experience with tropanes than prob anyone here at high doses..I have heard incredible stories from people that covered themselves in ointments they made and refined, going as far as to put in in the vaginas..what they report are most definatily "breakthroughs"..DONT DO THS AT HOME KIDS!!!!im very serious..if you dont know what you are doing, dont even think of touching datura or other tropane plants they are deadly deadly DEADLY!!

Also harmalas can do this..yes caapi only brews have taken me completel out of myself, absorbed into dream like visionary sequences complete with a beginning and an end, always very meaningful with a lesson imparted.

Alot of the time I just think you have to know how to work with these things individually to know how to get there with them..youd never get that with caapi if you tried to stay awake..you have to know exactly when its comming on, and hat to look for as you lay there in bed late at night..then it can happen..and this is NOTHING like hypnogogia.

THere are others plants as well that arent exactly psychedelics that I have had more than 1 person report breakthroughs to another sort of world with, but Im not allowed to talk abotu them on this site.

Shamans also get there with just tobacco, is quite clear they have some sort of breakthrough from the descriptons..though a normal person not used to those doses would most likely die from that.

 

[picatris]

High doses of:

• 5-MeO-DMT

that depends of what you mean by high doses. 10-12 mg of this substance are enough for most people, for entering the "meta-realm"

One (or a few) persons say that it's possible to breakthrough to another dimension with:

High doses of:

• JWH

I share my point of view with vovin on this substance. JWH-018 pure is definitely psychedelic and it is possible to breakthrough with it even on doses of 4mg . As with most compounds that can breakthrough with, it can cause a lot of fear. Most bad trips (which are a lot) I've heard about with this compound mention "the Fear", which to me is a sign that the molecule is entering the darkest realms of our Psyche and transporting one to other planes.

So the three questions I would ask to you gentleman are:

1. Should 5-MeO-DMT be on the first list?

5-MeO-DMT is a special substance. I would not include it with any others

 

[clouds]

Thanks A LOT for the information you are sharing fractal. It is very interesting to me.

5-MeO-DMT is a special substance. I would not include it with any others

Could you please tell me why is that, in words that a person who hasn't experienced it can somehow understand?

Can you interact with entities in another planes of existence? Do you meet some sort of Gods / God?
What is the general theme of your experiences with this molecule if you don't mind me asking?

 

[polytrip]

Thanks A LOT for the information you are sharing fractal. It is very interesting to me.

5-MeO-DMT is a special substance. I would not include it with any others

Could you please tell me why is that, in words that a person who hasn't experienced it can somehow understand?

Can you interact with entities in another planes of existence? Do you meet some sort of Gods / God?
What is the general theme of your experiences with this molecule if you don't mind me asking?

It's like this: imagine that you suddenly wake up and it's like somebody has build an exact replica of this world and put you in it in a moment you where blinking or sleeping maybe....everything looks the same, it is a very accurate replica. But it's different in some way. You can easily tell that it's no longer the same world, it is somehow very different. But when you look around you, you just can't figure out what it is that is different. It's just not the same world anymore.

And you are not the same you anymore either. Everything is different, but you just can't get your finger behind it. Maybe you've died without realising it, maybe you're your spirit that still want's to hold on to this world.

That's what it's like.Very freaky.

 

[picatris]

5-MeO-DMT is a special substance. I would not include it with any others

Could you please tell me why is that, in words that a person who hasn't experienced it can somehow understand?

I can relate to polytrip's experiences in a limited way. There is in fact a strangeness, an "otherness" different from any other substance. However my own experiences are more akin to the many times described "white outs". Just after inhaling all the senses are numbed into a "sea of all" like everything is there/here/inside/outside/everywhere. There is no reason, no me, no self, or there is only self. Then all things became possible. The realm of possibility is transcended. Everything becomes true, and that felling of pure possibility, pure light, is too overwhelming. Our minds were not designed to handle this all at once (mine wasn't, at least). In my opinion it is the most humbling psychedelic there is. Nothing compares to it.

Can you interact with entities in another planes of existence? Do you meet some sort of Gods / God?
What is the general theme of your experiences with this molecule if you don't mind me asking?

In my experience, not in the peak. The coming down however is gentler and soothing, and despite still not much visual. Occasionally there are entities, but they appear, to me at least, as "things" forming as the whole reality is taking shape again. I do not think it may be possible to work with entities with Blessed 5-MeO-DMT. Furthermore, in the coming down, once we start getting in contact with our own self, body and reality, one is so happy to be alive that even if such contact could be possible, I would not spend 5 seconds with the idea!

Please note that many people get very visual experiences with this substance, so apparently there are very different responses to it. I can only speak for myself. Also, due to its power, this molecule is one that I have never shared with others. You can't know how others will react, and I've heard so many bad stories that I'd rather be safe than sorry.