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Why DMT Scares Me
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Yeah, 5-MeO-MiPT is actually pretty nice, if you know it's dosing regime.
People should seriously stop shortening the name of 5-MeO-DMT, it really caused dangerous confusion, like, are you talking about 5-MeO-WhAT?
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The Traveler
What kind of beast is it, and how does it differ from 5-MeO-DMT?
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Panpsychic
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Actually I'm one step ahead, as I had the full name prompted for me on my typing but shortened lt deliberately to see if brought out this response, and it didI wonder what @The Traveler would think about the initial claim
However, you guessed right! as there is currently only one 5 thats deified to this level it seems.
True, they all are that mystery even if DMT and maybe 5-MeO-DMT are an order beyond.
True, I should remember the next time I visit the 4-Aco-DMT nexus as it could get confusing.
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You are now two steps behind for not wanting to get the message. Remember that these days harm reduction is probably even above DMT as one of the most important aspects of this platform, you know why this is important.Actually I'm one step ahead, as I had the full name prompted for me on my typing but shortened lt deliberately to see if brought out this response, and it did
Stop digging if you are down, it's pretty lame.True, I should remember the next time I visit the 4-Aco-DMT nexus as it could get confusing.
The Traveler
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Panpsychic
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I'm not down, and its not lame. I'm just highlighting the hypocrisy since this site is literally named after a chemical short hand shared with multiple drugs.
You might ask why is that ok given the dangers of harm reduction spiel you felt the need to interject, even though there was no confusion from anyone whatsoever.
The reason is DMT has come to mean N-N-DMT as opposed to 4-Aco-DMT.
I have yet to see any examples of someone causally referring to '5-MeO' or '5' but actually referring to 5-MeO-Mipt. If they did so, it would be immediately clarified.
However not to derail the thread, and not to belabour the point, I'll leave it here. Especially since 5-MeO-DMT is actually prompted when I type it so its actually more effort to shorten it to 5-MeO.
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"Has come" no, it has meant that in the literature since the beginning: Dimethyltryptamin: Its Metabolism in Man; the Relation of Its Psychotic Effect to the Serotonin Metabolism
Whereas "5-MeO" to refer to 5-MeO-DMT is recent and comes from informal online communities like Reddit, as far as I know. Often in a context where it's considered "a type of DMT".
I agree the name 5-MeO-DMT is unwieldy, but there's not a better name that avoids confusion.
The amount of cases where 5-Meo-DMT is named as one of the substances for the cause of death is alarming, hence why it is VERY important to know that the substance discussed here right now is 5-MeO-DMT.
This forum is constantly indexed by seemingly infinite amounts of search engines and A.I. engines to train on. You might know the difference, however layman and people outside this platform who do not see the complete context do not.
It's appreciated.
Kind regards,
The Traveler
I was guiding, currently landing from changa, and earned myself a nap, so haven't caught up with everything happening here, but wanted to say that while I was being a jester/trickster earlier, it wasn't my intention to stir trouble or dissent.
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I want to actually add one more point I just thought of which I have considered before, relevent to this serious issue which as you mention is harm reduction. I dont mean to derail again.
So while its good to use formal names on this site for accuracy, my genuine concern is calling it by the full name 5-MeO-DMT could actually be more dangerous if spoken, as it then adds the suffix 'DMT' to the end, therebye increasing confusion with DMT.
The risk imo is people confusing 5-MeO-DMT for DMT, not for 5-MeO-MiPT (which I had never heard of).
Early materials even refered to 5-MeO-DMT as "the other DMT" which seems to have stopped now due to risk awareness.
I would say that omitting the 'DMT' and just calling it 5-MeO is potentially safer to make clearer the distinction between DMT, which is the main risk with this.
5-MeO-MiPT could be 'MiPT'. Common parlance does not have to be the scientific terminology, so while for accuracy we use the full names on this site, I think in general referring to 5-MeO-DMT as just '5' or 5-MeO is safer than adding the DMT part when speaking about it especially to people who may not be experienced.
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MiPT is actually a specific substance, and so is 5-MeO-MiPT. Two different molecules with different effects.
MiPT:
5-MeO-MiPT:
The street name for 5-MeO-MiPT is "Moxy"
MiPT has no established street name.
5-MeO-DMT also does not have a consistent street name, and confusion arises because Incilius alvarius (Sonoran Desert Toad) secretions contain 5-MeO-DMT, while other toads produce bufotenin (5-HO-DMT), leading to misunderstandings about which compound is present in "toad excretions".
So can you see now how this will confuse people if we do not make it strictly accurate about what we are talking about?
In the past we have seen complete idiots, like 'Doctor Octavio', getting people killed because of this confusion and their actions.
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The Traveler
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The main issue as I see it, is that calling it "5-MeO-DMT" will confuse some people into thinking it is NN-DMT, particularly as only the short form of DMT is used typically, its perfectly natural for a new person to assume that when someone is referring to 5-MeO-DMT and someone else talks about 'DMT', that they are talking about the same thing.
In fact I remember many years ago when I first heard about them but hadnt smoked DMT, this is what I thought that they were the same thing. Fortunately once I actually got some DMT and spoke more to people I realized they were very different substances.
Therefore I still do think that in the larger scheme omitting the 'DMT' suffix from 5-MeO-DMT to just '5-MeO' is potentially safer. Two separate substances, 5-MeO and DMT. Moxy as you mention already has its own name as does Bufo. That only leaves the other MiPT but I don't think it is very common.
If the main real world issue and risk is people confusing 5-MeO-DMT with DMT, then I think that standardizing to 5-MeO is therefore potentially safer. Or standardizing DMT to the full N-N-DMT when its discussed here, to prevent anyone new easily mistaking 5-MeO-DMT for 'DMT' which would seem perfectly logical but highly dangerous.
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Confusion is minimized by precision, not by dropping suffixes. “5-MeO” alone is ambiguous: it could refer to multiple substituted tryptamines (5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-DiPT, etc.). The suffix “DMT” specifies the molecule. Standard nomenclature already solves the issue:
• DMT = N,N-DMT
• 5-MeO-DMT = distinct compound called 5-MeO-DMT
• Bufotenine = 5-HO-DMT
Removing “DMT” from 5-MeO-DMT introduces more risk, not less. The safer approach is to consistently say “N,N-DMT” instead of just “DMT” when clarity is needed. Standard chemistry names already exist for this reason.
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Panpsychic
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This is why I suggested dropping the suffix as potentially avoiding this at least when speaking,which is probably why the term '5-MeO' has become the common parlance for 5-MeO-DMT.
Yes, this is why I suggested it and for consistency but its not standard here as of now.
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Panpsychic
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There's another thread on this now, so we can return to the main discussion of this one
On the naming of 5-MeO-DMT
I originally posted this in Why DMT Scares Me, but to not further derail that thread, I think it's better to continue the naming discussion here. So tagging @Panpsychic , @Varallo , @The Traveler . @Panpsychic , if DMT were to be always called N,N-DMT , consistency dictates that 5-MeO-DMT...
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Here&Now
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Just to speak on my experience with fear relating to DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, I actually find DMT to be a lot scarier. Or at least potentially a lot scarier.
With DMT, it's as if an epic tale is being told in the form of a transcendent narrative. This narrative has the potential to be heavenly or hellish. There's almost always the sense of an "other" that's either channeling profoundly helpful life lessons or threatening to enslave my soul for all eternity, lol.
With 5-MeO-DMT, that dialogue is absent. As the trip deepens, it's a ride that takes you more and more towards ego death. It can be scary as you approach the tipping point, but that fear is more based on the revelation of a type of solipsism; an internal sense of certainty that all things spring from a singular consciousness, and you are that.
With DMT, it's as if an epic tale is being told in the form of a transcendent narrative. This narrative has the potential to be heavenly or hellish. There's almost always the sense of an "other" that's either channeling profoundly helpful life lessons or threatening to enslave my soul for all eternity, lol.
With 5-MeO-DMT, that dialogue is absent. As the trip deepens, it's a ride that takes you more and more towards ego death. It can be scary as you approach the tipping point, but that fear is more based on the revelation of a type of solipsism; an internal sense of certainty that all things spring from a singular consciousness, and you are that.
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Ha, this is absolutely classic and exactly right.
Then imagine that aspects of that trascendent narrative start coming true in actual real life, and you have a metaphysical framework that accepts there are higher realms of possiblity and that these can be interfacing with his one...
It can get very heavy and quickly which is part of the awe and the fear.
So I can definitely see the appeal of 5-MeO-DMT in bypassing the narrative altogther, akin to a monastic renouncing the world and all its stories in favor of striving for pure experience of the Holy.
I dunno ya'll... I appreciate all the feedback, but I think I'm on to something for myself. There's a detachment from that which would deter me.
Last night, still not giving a f, after guiding, a grabbed the pipe, went through the usual hoops, acknowledged things like paranoia, took my hit, laid back. Then I hopped up, did a yoga flow then laid back down, proceeding to hit the pipe again. Checking the shit [paranoia for example] directly at the door makes managing the negative patterns much easier. There's this quality, it's there, okay, whatever.
So now, there's a little bit of a game to be played. I'm rarely going to take more than one hit anymore. I still have swimmer's lungs. Whenever I take subsequent tokes it's because I'm trying to play it safe. Moving forward, I'm just going to take bigger hits, and if after the very first one isn't "enough," then I'll sit and stew and then coach myself to get a little more in the system. But really, for my intents and purposes, I can almost always get to where I'm going with one hit.
At the same time I may not care to go any further.
It's whatever...
Feel like this sounds a little off. I'm still waking up and am feeling pretty stressed out.
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Last night, still not giving a f, after guiding, a grabbed the pipe, went through the usual hoops, acknowledged things like paranoia, took my hit, laid back. Then I hopped up, did a yoga flow then laid back down, proceeding to hit the pipe again. Checking the shit [paranoia for example] directly at the door makes managing the negative patterns much easier. There's this quality, it's there, okay, whatever.
So now, there's a little bit of a game to be played. I'm rarely going to take more than one hit anymore. I still have swimmer's lungs. Whenever I take subsequent tokes it's because I'm trying to play it safe. Moving forward, I'm just going to take bigger hits, and if after the very first one isn't "enough," then I'll sit and stew and then coach myself to get a little more in the system. But really, for my intents and purposes, I can almost always get to where I'm going with one hit.
At the same time I may not care to go any further.
It's whatever...
Feel like this sounds a little off. I'm still waking up and am feeling pretty stressed out.
One love
Here&Now
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That's true; I've found that both substances generally have an equally significant effect on my daily life, even if in different ways and coming from different angles.
Interesting, that seems like an apt comparison. In the monastic life, I guess it's easier to let go of yourself when you've already minimized worldly distractions.