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Why DMT Scares Me

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Voidmatrix said:
Feel like this sounds a little off.
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In what sense? It sounds perfectly reasonable to me. There's no problem in not going further or not taking more than one hit. In my opinion most of the work happens outside the psychedelic experience anyways. And it's not like you haven't gone very deep already. Different life phases will call for different use patterns. I completely abstained from any psychedelic for five years and it was the right thing to do in that moment. If frequent but less strong experiences are what you think is convenient now, I don't see the issue. You don't have to prove anything to anyone, and anyways you would have already proved it many times if that was the case.
 
blig-blug said:
In what sense? It sounds perfectly reasonable to me. There's no problem in not going further or not taking more than one hit. In my opinion most of the work happens outside the psychedelic experience anyways. And it's not like you haven't gone very deep already. Different life phases will call for different use patterns. I completely abstained from any psychedelic for five years and it was the right thing to do in that moment. If frequent but less strong experiences are what you think is convenient now, I don't see the issue. You don't have to prove anything to anyone, and anyways you would have already proved it many times if that was the case.
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:LOL:

So I meant how what I wrote sounded off, not the overall idea that I was sharing.

However(!) thank you. There's a spotlight on a lot of internalized judgment.

And yes no question that the majority of the work happens outside the space. <3

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Voidmatrix said:
And yes no question that the majority of the work happens outside the space. <3
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Ironically, the work to get into the space happens to be a lot of work outside the space too. This came to mind as I reflected on how many of my reports focus on what preceded entering the space and what followed after exiting/landing.

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Voidmatrix said:
Ironically, the work to get into the space happens to be a lot of work outside the space too.
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This is a good observation. Overcoming the resistance is a practice in itself. In my experience, the more resistance to doing it I have, the more I need it. Although I've had some stern lessons delivered some times that I was more enthusiastic about entering the experience.
 
blig-blug said:
the more resistance to doing it I have, the more I need it.
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Well... why do you think I'm trying to get in there so often :LOL:

blig-blug said:
Although I've had some stern lessons delivered some times that I was more enthusiastic about entering the experience.
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I kinda wonder if part of my issue is just what you describe: that I am aware of this possibility, so if I don't go in enthused, I'll be less likely to get slapped around.
While I want to trip, I haven't been enthused about it in a long time... something interesting to note.

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Panpsychic said:
The street name for bufotenine is 'Bufo', so it can be distinguished from 5-MeO-DMT although I have heard some use the terms interchangeably probably because of them assuming that its all just "toad venom" without realizing there are two types. This is also potentially quite dangerous.
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Can you not read? I just explained that toad excretions cause confusion, the previously named 'Bufo alvarius' (now thankfully renamed to Incilius alvarius, common name Sonoran Desert Toad) does not excrete bufo but 5-MeO-DMT as the main compound.

Due to your unwillingness to understand the importance of this issue, and the explanation where people were LITERALLY KILLED! due to the confusion and wrong actions resulting from that, you have been given a break of a week from this platform. Try this again and you will get a permaban!

We take this VERY seriously here, if you do not like this, then get your sorry excuse for a back spine back to your /r subreddits, to get your biased views that you seemingly so much love.


The Traveler
 
The Traveler said:
Can you not read? I just explained that toad excretions cause confusion, the previously named 'Bufo alvarius' (now thankfully renamed to Incilius alvarius, common name Sonoran Desert Toad) does not excrete bufo but 5-MeO-DMT as the main compound.

Due to your unwillingness to understand the importance of this issue, and the explanation where people were LITERALLY KILLED! due to the confusion and wrong actions resulting from that, you have been given a break of a week from this platform. Try this again and you will get a permaban!

We take this VERY seriously here, if you do not like this, then get your sorry excuse for a back spine back to your /r subreddits, to get your biased views that you seemingly so much love.


The Traveler
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This is my bad, and you are largely correct. The term "Bufo" has caused a lot of confusion due to being the slang name for the previously named Bufo Alvarius (now Incilius Alvarius, the Colorado River Toad) which excretes 5-MeO-DMT, leading some to call 5-MeO-DMT "synthetic Bufo".

Likewise Bufotenin has sometimes been called "Bufo" which is a dangerous misnomer considering the difference in potency of them.
Similar to how some noobies mistake 5-MeO-DMT for being just 'DMT', the only solution is for people to do due research before they do these things and especially if they are going to be introducing them to others.

Also to further clarify what you wrote above and what has been potentially a further confusion, Incilius Alvarius toad actually does excrete small amounts of Bufotenin alongside the 5-MeO-DMT in its venom, but the 5-MeO-DMT is considered the active compound and much higher content.

The toads Rhinella marina (Cane toad) and Rhinella schneideri (Schneider's toad) however excrete venoms with Bufotenin, but without much or any 5-MeO-DMT.
Hopefully anyway people just stay away from toads as they produce these venoms to keep predators away not so they can be sought out and handled.


So while the uneccessary and petulant name calling is unwarranted or necessary to get the point across, given this discussion was about terminology that has caused confusion and the mistake could have been corrected without it, I accept fault here and apologise. Thanks for giving me a further chance on the forum.
 
The Traveler said:
In the past we have seen complete idiots, like 'Doctor Octavio', getting people killed because of this confusion and their actions.
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I remember that guy. He's responsible for numerous deaths. The whole situation there in Mexico is insane. I hope people have more information nowadays and are more vigilant.
Panpsychic said:
The toads Rhinella marina (Cane toad) and Rhinella schneideri (Schneider's toad) however excrete venoms with Bufotenin, but without much or any 5-MeO-DMT.
Hopefully anyway people just stay away from toads as they produce these venoms to keep predators away not so they can be sought out and handled.
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I was of the notion that even DMT and psilocybin are here to ward off predators or similar actions. I think that knowledge, and consequently the correct dosage, make all the difference. Many poisons are medicines and could heal people if used in the right way. Kambo is one more example where a toxin could be used to stimulate the immune system.

Just don't be stupid and naive - research your subject and never trust so-called experts right off the bat. We're responsible for ourselves. Never outsource this responsibility.

@Panpsychic Welcome back 🙏
 
Reframing the way that I look at this situation, brought about by giving a sh*t less, and I think I've mentioned it in passing, but I wanna name it explicitly, the place I'm at is beneficial (low dosing) as it helps me to deeply align with myself in ways that are necessary, but also conditioning me for more fruitful forays whenever I do hit the depths again.

Anytime i stumble too deep by accident it's fine... I've said that too...

Shit is just a practice in trust and confidence, but those have to be earned. Have I earned those from myself?

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Does anyone else worry about overdoing it? How about unreasonably so?

I'm cruising through silence and this popped up. I am oh so worried about overdoing it. That's a problem. Not that there is a concern or attention on overdoing it, no, that's simply being wise and mindful. What the issue is is that my worry about myself going overboard, overdoing it, abusing it is yet another indicator, signal, symbol, and reminder of my lack of self-trust.

I also don't feel like I ought to have this worry, and by that I mean I don't feel I have a rational reason aside from I've lost control in the past and have addiction now (I had a bit of a cocaine problem I kicked on my own in my early 20s and definitely love my nicotine now).

Where does this worry come from. Trauma and childhood. It's an ingrained indoctrination. That's something worth breaking. Where's my hyperspace hammer?

I'm presently thinking about this because yesterday and today I only had my usual cannabis and nothing else because during the week I had plenty of low dose and redose of low dose throughout the week, and I'm wondering, did I overdo it?

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Voidmatrix said:
Does anyone else worry about overdoing it? How about unreasonably so?
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Just overdo it! Why play it safe and be smart? Be stupid for once. Consciously overdo it, with all the respect it requires.

It's the same with addictions. Addicts usually take just enough; they are very smart in that way. Overdo it once again. Do you like nicotine? Then drink some mapacho juice and survive. Your addiction will go with the purge. Smoke the hell out of your pipe. What's the worst that can happen? Most likely, you won't lose your life or anything. And even if it's your karma to lose it, then you lived to the fullest and burned bright like the Sun.

At some point, it's not about our past traumas or psychological constitution, but about our conscious choice made in the moment: a choice to put our fictional character aside and dive deep into the mystery. Even if it cripples you, an honest cry for help will forever be answered. It's the Law of this place.
God looks through your eyes and knows everything. Overdo it, overdo life, and be born anew into who you truly are!

❤️‍🔥
 
northape said:
Just overdo it! Why play it safe and be smart? Be stupid for once. Consciously overdo it, with all the respect it requires.

It's the same with addictions. Addicts usually take just enough; they are very smart in that way. Overdo it once again. Do you like nicotine? Then drink some mapacho juice and survive. Your addiction will go with the purge. Smoke the hell out of your pipe. What's the worst that can happen? Most likely, you won't lose your life or anything. And even if it's your karma to lose it, then you lived to the fullest and burned bright like the Sun.

At some point, it's not about our past traumas or psychological constitution, but about our conscious choice made in the moment: a choice to put our fictional character aside and dive deep into the mystery. Even if it cripples you, an honest cry for help will forever be answered. It's the Law of this place.
God looks through your eyes and knows everything. Overdo it, overdo life, and be born anew into who you truly are!

❤️‍🔥
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Thank you for the encouragement!

While I feel you may say this is part of my story or part of my fiction, some of my concern comes from the simple fact that I am a responsible person with responsibilities I take responsibility for. Hence, overdoing it can lead to a lacking in my responsibilities.

Does our past traumas and psychological constitution not contribute and lend themselves to the choice set in the present moment?

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blig-blug said:
Yes. Has it impacted those in some way, or has it come close to it?
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That's the thing... no, no it hasn't, not nearly. 🤣 One of the reasons I don't do moar pharma is time. That entails other things I feel need to be taken care of, completed, etc.

But that nefarious concern remains 😈

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Voidmatrix said:
Thank you for the encouragement!
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Voidmatrix said:
While I feel you may say this is part of my story or part of my fiction, some of my concern comes from the simple fact that I am a responsible person with responsibilities I take responsibility for. Hence, overdoing it can lead to a lacking in my responsibilities.
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Still, overdoing it and going past all limits (even responsibilities) leads to a new future. Intention is everything here.
If it's a call from the Soul, you have no choice but to answer.
Voidmatrix said:
Does our past traumas and psychological constitution not contribute and lend themselves to the choice set in the present moment?

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They do, but making a choice and going through with it can push you way beyond any conditions that led to it.
Even a janitor at NASA is part of a space mission, but when the rocket goes beyond Earth's limits, they are all left behind.
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yatyas314 said:
Yes I worry about it a lot because it comes in waves I might go three times in a week then take 3 weeks off. I do think that your the only one who will know if nd when it happens.
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Oh, boy, this helped me feel better.

I smoalked some amount almost everyday last week 🤣

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