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why do so many dmt users believe in 2012?

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69ron said:
Seven said:
The approach to 2000 was nothing compared to this though.
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Really? My wife had no idea of the meaning of 2012. I have a lot of friends that also have no idea why 2012 is special. Everyone I know knew about the "Chaos of 2000" which never happened. So I think 2000 was definitely more than anything 2012 will amount to because most people don't even know anything about the year 2012, just a few people here and some people who study the Mayans. No else I know knows about it.
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yeah you could be right, 2012 seems to be more underground compared to the millennium. Not many people i know, know or care about it either. Its starting to pop up on the history channel here and there, and mainstream media. What i meant by the statement you quoted was, that every new-ager seems to be jumping on-board and writing a book, or making a theory. 2000 just seemed like everyone was worried about the comps screwing up, not rogue planets hitting ours, aliens, pole shifts etc.
 
Seven said:
69ron said:
Seven said:
The approach to 2000 was nothing compared to this though.
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Really? My wife had no idea of the meaning of 2012. I have a lot of friends that also have no idea why 2012 is special. Everyone I know knew about the "Chaos of 2000" which never happened. So I think 2000 was definitely more than anything 2012 will amount to because most people don't even know anything about the year 2012, just a few people here and some people who study the Mayans. No else I know knows about it.
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yeah you could be right, 2012 seems to be more underground compared to the millennium. Not many people i know, know or care about it either. Its starting to pop up on the history channel here and there, and mainstream media. What i meant by the statement you quoted was, that every new-ager seems to be jumping on-board and writing a book, or making a theory. 2000 just seemed like everyone was worried about the comps screwing up, not rogue planets hitting ours, aliens, pole shifts etc.
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Yeah, in that way there is no comparison at all, but I didn’t mention the fact that some people actually thought the world was going to end in the year 2000 as ridiculous as it sounded, I actually knew 2 people who thought that!
 
Considering i'm a londoner,i will be enjoying the biggest sporting event in history in 2012.And after that,well if anything is to be believed, i'm either gonna be part of a cataclysmic or transformative event.

Worst case scenario,it'll be just another day.And i'll be at the office :d

I'm not gonna dwell on ifs and buts...just go with the flow 8)
 
Not that i have really found to many differnet sources stating it actually predicts the year 2012, i think the 2000 myth spurred off of the 2012, it was the myth spread from not many but some people knowing of the 2012 deal and others incorrectly passing the date as 2000. Though there are sources saying 2012, there are no sources of any 2000 prediction bassed on any religion or predicted by any person i have ever seen. Only really know one myth as in all computers would crash due to some dating system, i doubted that myth and it turns out i was correct.
 
yeah, the y2k thing was completely different... it was not a myth, and some computer systems did have problems, it was a simple glitch that was easy to understand and to be honest, the reason it didn't cause more problems is probably because the problem was anticipated and acted upon... the simple idea that as a coder if you wrote xx instead of xxxx then your code would end up producing incorrect dates, which throws off databases, etc etc... well, it was not a prophecy based on blind faith.... but like I said the 2012 thing, it's not even a prophecy because it makes no predictions.

If anyone gave me good reason to do anything different on 2012 then maybe I would... for 2yk, computer scientists recognised a problem and it was dealt with in a responsible manner, but like 2012 the folks who did not understand the logic overreacted and almost bizarrely acted like doomsday was inevitable. This is important now because we have this global warming crisis that could easily be fixed if humans acted upon the advice given to them, most people seem resigned to armageddon, the world is in desperate need of leadership and more appropriate responsibility.
 
soulfood said:
If you google 2012, most of the results seem to be about the movie :) Well the top results anyway... scrub that... the UK olympics also.

I would absolutely piss my pants if Jesus came back though... man! he would get paparazzi'd the living shit out of!!!
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:lol:
 
cellux said:
2012 crash course:

I think I like the Internet.
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i couldnt make it through that whole vid, she was cute though lol.

Heres 2 clips for the mayan movie thats coming out. Straight from a grand elder himself.

 
I don't know why that elder is denying that the Maya's practiced human sacrifice. They most likely did.

Anyway though I finally got through this thread. It appears most of the replies were from those who don't attach any special significance to 2012.

The only responses from those who did attach significance is summed up that some new age will happen. Which is sufficiently vague to not really mean much of anything.

Anyway I think thread is pretty much done no real hard core 2012 enthusiasts around.
 
The computer-clock-bug did nothing in the year 2000, and I doubt anything will happen when the Mayan's calendar runs out either.
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Y2K was about selling pop tarts.

while i dont consider myself to be a hardcore 2012 enthusiast, i am curious that no one mentions WHY the Mayan calendar ends in 2012?

I am no expert here either, but i have read some very interesting angles to this story. probably the most realistic is the notion that the Mayan calendar was developed over many generations, as the ancient people coming over the land bridge from siberia to alaska, and south. they were following polaris which they perceived as the center of the galaxy. as they moved south, they realized this was not the case, eventually determining the center of the milky way to be in the direction of Sagittarius. this was the womb of the universe, and they knew it was a black hole.(Hunab-Ku) .
After determining the center of the milky way, were they able to track the precession of the equinoxes, and from that fixed point, they could map time forward and backward, and developed their great year (25,800 yrs approx) calendar.

what happens on dec 21 2012 is not a hollywood movie, but an astronomical alignment between earth, the sun, and the center of the milky way(sgr a*).
many modern scientists believe that the center of the milky way is a supermassive black hole. what do you think would happen when our sun passes directly between us and our origins for the first time in 25,800 years?
 
cellux said:
2012 crash course:

I think I like the Internet.
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I saw that a while back..girl doesnt seem liek she even knows what she is talking about..the mayan's do not say that the world is going to end in 2012..they dont even say that they know if ANYTHING is going to happen in 2012..everything they talk about points to a change..not an end..and parts of it are backed up by nasa.

Everyone seems to have this misinterpretation of what the actaul mayan's think these days..you see it everywhere..people that dont really know what they are talking about laughing at the mayan peoples for believing the world is ending..or other people talking all this dooms day BS about it actaully ending.
 
yeah, obviously if the calendar tracks a span of 25,800 years, and the end point is baktun 13.0.0.0.0 (12/12/2012) how could this indicate the end of the world? doesn't science tell us that the earth is several billion years old or something? the world didn't "begin" 25,800 years ago, so how or why would it "end" in 2012?

T. McKenna and others point to dec 12, 2012 as the approaching singularity. in other words it is when the earth and all inhabitants will experience/witness more novelty in several minutes than has been experienced in the last millions of years. this is where the line on the graph goes off the charts into the unthinkable.

Carl Sagan is famous for saying we are star stuff of star stuff, or something like that. Looking at images of galaxies it is easy to see how they could have formed. they are disc shaped with spirals radiating from the center (which is often or always a supermassive black hole). this is the birth place. is it also a worm hole? is it pure information? what sort of energy/information transfer will occur at the time of the alignment?
 
T. McKenna and others point to dec 12, 2012 as the approaching singularity.
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This claim by T Mckenna makes literally no sense. He had no idea what he was talking about when he said that. Singularity? I don't even think he knew what that meant.

Carl Sagan is famous for saying we are star stuff of star stuff, or something like that. Looking at images of galaxies it is easy to see how they could have formed. they are disc shaped with spirals radiating from the center (which is often or always a supermassive black hole). this is the birth place. is it also a worm hole? is it pure information? what sort of energy/information transfer will occur at the time of the alignment?
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Galaxy formation is not so simple. Its still an area of intensive research in cosmology.

Nothing will happen with galactic alignment. The entire idea is a myth. There is no single instant where we will be "perfectly" aligned with the center of the galaxy. Any astronomer will explain why this is not true. We are talking about huge distances our planet is a speck.
 
I remember reading HIGH TIMES(damn should have saved that issue. could be on vacation now after EBAY:d ) as a teenager with the Terrance interview and his "novelty chart centerfold" 76 to 79 ? maybe. I though it was pretty dry as a immature teen reader . He said in his own words "change will reach a peak". No end of the world or other ultimate disaster. It makes no difference if you agree with Terrance or not 99percent of the things that are now attributed to him are fallacies.

Thats a bit whacked because he did say and do many interesting things. To bad they are not recognized as often as the many misnomers.

PEACE
MV
 
You know the Terence Mckenna idea of novelty to me sounds very much like moores law, which applies to many different things, futurists believe in a technological "singularity" that term is used loosely these days to describe some kind of epoch... I wonder very much about the exponetial rate of change, because it's not hard to imagine a near future with a crazy amount of computer power and rapidly evolving technology that may just bring about a 2012 type of event in our lifetimes... but there is no reason to believe the novelty theory or any mayan prophecy with that...
 
Nothing will happen with galactic alignment. The entire idea is a myth
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if this alignment is a myth, then how, or why do you think the Mayans developed their long count calendar with such a specific end date?
do you not think they were able to track the precession of the equinoxes?
 
He said in his own words "change will reach a peak". No end of the world or other ultimate disaster.
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exactly. the ultimate disaster is a hollywood senario.


It makes no difference if you agree with Terrance or not 99percent of the things that are now attributed to him are fallacies.
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fallacies? um care to elaborate? i have read 2 full length books, and listened to probably 30+ hours of audio in the past 4 years, and i am not sure what you mean by this.

This claim by T Mckenna makes literally no sense. He had no idea what he was talking about when he said that. Singularity? I don't even think he knew what that meant.
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skip ahead to the last 2 minutes for his description of singulatrity. i kinda think he knew what he was talking about.

Galaxy formation is not so simple. Its still an area of intensive research in cosmology.
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true that. galaxy formation is anything but simple. here is some new data:


scientists are beginning to understand and correlate the role that supermassive black holes at the center of galaxies played in their formation.
me, a non-scientist, artist, traveler, researcher, grower, builder type looks at hubble images of galaxies, and can 'see' how they were formed. the action is at the center.
 
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