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why do so many dmt users believe in 2012?

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Yesterday i went to that emmerich movie. It was a typical emmerich style spectacle wich i mean in a positive as well as a negative way.

The negative first: as with all his movies, what you see is totally unrealistic and so way over the top that it is often rather hillarious then dramatic. You can exactly predict who is gonna die and how everything is gonna go, from the beginning on.

The positive: there where moments that, although i knew that the main characters where gonna survive anyway, it was still pretty exhilirating.
 
"fallacies? um care to elaborate? i have read 2 full length books, and listened to probably 30+ hours of audio in the past 4 years, and i am not sure what you mean by this."

Well the End of the world and the existence of Aliens form another dimension immediately come to mind these are some big misnomers. He talked about many things in speculation nothing wrong with that and do not misunderstand me I enjoyed his work. Go out on the net and read all the 2012 threads on the net there are all chalk full of BS and the main sources of these erroneous assumptions are Terrance and the Mayans.

It would be a different story if he was still alive he would likely speak out and clarify some of his statements. I guess my tone may have been a little harsh I could have said there are a myriad of assumptions based on his statements and writings that have been misconstrued as some kind of Fact which they are not and originally they were not presented as such.

Its is a shame he is gone because I am sure he would have some interesting things to say and the whole 2012thing would most likely be portrayed in a different manner. The way it appears now is almost like some death cult:shock: . Terrance himself would likely be shocked by the run away out of control assumptions being presented.

I am confident that he would not be very impressed with the new Movie or all the pop culture BS that is going around these days.

PEACE
MV
 
In spite that this might ruin my reputation on this site, I will post my strong held beliefs.

There is only one moment and that moment is now and it is eternal. The mind of almost every man women and child on planet earth right now is filled with thoughts that formed from memories of a past now and these thoughts create the idea of a possible future that is not now. The mind, or movement of thoughts creates the illusion of time, future and past. When one sits in no-mind, or none thinking mind, the future and past drop away and one is filled with the only moment that is real, now.

Due to the telescoping evolutionary nature of humans civilization (globalization, pluralism) on this planet, most humans are getting information(turned into thoughts) faster and faster. Therefore, most humans are getting more and more confused, more lost in thoughts, more lost in mind and more lost in the illusion of time. But as we near 2012, the crescendo or epoch will be reached where we will either have to suspend thoughts, enter the now and evolve as a society, or go more deeply into the confusion of the mind and eventually be destroyed by its confused idiotic nature.
 
Well the End of the world and the existence of Aliens form another dimension immediately come to mind these are some big misnomers. He talked about many things in speculation nothing wrong with that and do not misunderstand me I enjoyed his work.
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ok, so let me try to get this straight...you are posting ^this on a forum that is chalk full of threads from hundreds of members recalling smoking said tryptamines, blasting off into another dimension(hyperspace) and meeting alien entities, or what not.--Do you consider all these accounts to be misnomers as well?? :p sorry dude.

Go out on the net and read all the 2012 threads on the net there are all chalk full of BS and the main sources of these erroneous assumptions are Terrance and the Mayans.
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true, tons of bs. been there, but they were not POSTED by terrence or the mayans.

Terrance himself would likely be shocked by the run away out of control assumptions being presented.
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i doubt that, he had far too much understanding of culture and reality to be shocked.

peas
 
fractal enchantment wrote:

I think alot of people seem to dumb down what Mckenna was really about and what he was saying.
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yeah, but this is the Last place i would expect to encounter this...:shock:
 
biopsylo said:
fractal enchantment said:
I think alot of people seem to dumb down what Mckenna was really about and what he was saying.
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yeah, but this is the Last place i would expect to encounter this...:shock:
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Why's that???

So you reckon that the Nexus should be filled with Mckenna-type wackos?
 
So you reckon that the Nexus should be filled with Mckenna-type wackos?
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not exactly, but i would reckon that the wackos here would have more of a grasp at what mckenna was trying to say then most of the population. i.e. a bit "switched on". omg, have u read the invisible landscape?, or food of the Gods? ok, i admit it i may be a bit of a mckenna wacko:?
 
burnt said:
Nothing will happen with galactic alignment. The entire idea is a myth. There is no single instant where we will be "perfectly" aligned with the center of the galaxy. Any astronomer will explain why this is not true. We are talking about huge distances our planet is a speck.
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Not only that, but isn't some part of the galaxy always going to be "aligned" with the center, at pretty much every single second?

Why don't we see certain planets out there in the galaxy going through the upheaval of a "galactic alignment" constantly?
If this had any footing in the truth, we probably would have seen it happen at least once by now, somewhere else.
We are perfectly able to see other galactic events happening.

biopsylo said:
not exactly, but i would reckon that the wackos here would have more of a grasp at what mckenna was trying to say then most of the population. i.e. a bit "switched on". omg, have u read the invisible landscape?, or food of the Gods? ok, i admit it i may be a bit of a mckenna wacko:?
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They do....and they are telling you, that after reading his books & listening to his speeches over many, many years now, they have found he was just an enthusiastic story teller....not a fact finder.
Hell even he said that!!
He admitted himself that the whole time-wave-zero thing was made up to fit his idea...not the other way around.


WS
 
Not only that, but isn't some part of the galaxy always going to be "aligned" with the center, at pretty much every single second?

Why don't we see certain planets out there in the galaxy going through the upheaval of a "galactic alignment" constantly?
If this had any footing in the truth, we probably would have seen it happen at least once by now, somewhere else.
We are perfectly able to see other galactic events happening.


WS
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the galactic alignment, as i understand it(no expert!!) happens for us earthlings only once in 26,000 years. it is when the sun passes directly between earth and the supermassive black hole at the center of the milkyway. the possibility of an astronomer witnessing this thru a telescope happening on another planet?? well, you do the math, because its beyond me.
 
biopsylo said:
the galactic alignment, as i understand it(no expert!!) happens for us earthlings only once in 26,000 years. it is when the sun passes directly between earth and the supermassive black hole at the center of the milkyway. the possibility of an astronomer witnessing this thru a telescope happening on another planet?? well, you do the math, because its beyond me.
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Astronomers are perfectly able to witness all kinds of events happening out in the galaxy, even ones that are very small.
I think the destruction of a planet happening out of the blue for any reason would catch a bit of attention.
It would also leave a unique signature hanging out in space for a very, very long time.
Just like when a star dies, or goes through it's different life cycles, it leaves evidence that something unique happened.

Once again, if a galactic alignment is going to happen for Earth at a certain point, then before & after that point there would be an alignment of something else out in space with the galactic center.
There is always going to be something "aligned" with the center of the galaxy, somewhere.
So shouldn't we be able to see this happening at least once since the beginning of time?
We are able to trace the universe back through time & see how it formed & what has happened since. That is how we know the life cycle of a star.

26,000 years is not that long of a period of time when you think of it in reference to the life of the universe. You'd think there would be some shred of evidence that this kind of thing has happened at very least once in all that time.
After all, something is always aligned with the center of the galaxy at every second.
Just like a broken clock is going to be correct at least 2 times every day.


WS
 
I think the destruction of a planet happening out of the blue for any reason would catch a bit of attention.
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who said anything about the destruction of a planet?
the people who are spouting about 2012 and the alignment are talking about gamma rays, intense gravitational pull, pole shifts, extreme weather, and a shift in consciousness and/or dna.

Once again, if a galactic alignment is going to happen for Earth at a certain point, then before & after that point there would be an alignment of something else out in space with the galactic center.
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the alignment i have read about only happens from our point of view on earth. the rising winter solstice sun in reference to the galactic center changes position each year because of the phenomenon of the precession of the equinoxes. on, or near 2012 would be a near perfect alignment.
again, this is not my theory, i just think there is something to it.

They do....and they are telling you, that after reading his books & listening to his speeches over many, many years now, they have found he was just an enthusiastic story teller....not a fact finder.
Hell even he said that!!
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fair enough-cheers for that:)
 
^ Yes, he wasn't exactly claiming ultimate truths or anything.
I remember him speculating about 2012 being the moment the time machine is invented - the Novelty explosion. According to this idea, the limit of backward time travel is the moment of the invention/first application of the time machine. From that moment on, the world can be visited by future time travelers who of course can't keep their mouths shut and reveal wonders we haven't seen in our wildest visions - or bully us into submission ;)
So far this theory has worked... haven't seen any time travelers yet because it's still pre-2012 but frankly I think it's all funny nonsense :)

I doubt these claims of alignment are astronomically even valid. Is the orbit of the Earth around the sun wobbling in a rythm of 26000 years? And if there really is an alignment... so what?
People talk about galactic planes as if these are exactly defined real things...

I read an article about Andreas Fuls who did re-calculations of Maya data and came up with a completely different end date: 2208.

No doubt there will be many 2012 parties and happenings. I plan to be absolutely sober when the time comes: if something happens I want to be sure it's not some tryptamine-induced effect ;)
 
I plan to be absolutely sober when the time comes: if something happens I want to be sure it's not some tryptamine-induced effect.
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I second that.



biopsylo I like where your coming from.

damiana
 
biopsylo I like where your coming from.
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thanks damiana...
not sure i do tho. i really didnt like the language i was using so much. the last place i want to be is in a position where i feel i need to speak to someone else's credibility. i really dont know what to make of 2012, but i just hope i will be mentally, and spiritually prepared. that is why i am here, now.
 
everything about 2012 is a myth and a lie except that the mayans have a calendar.

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From the university of Utrecht's astronomy website.
 
burnt said:
everything about 2012 is a myth and a lie except that the mayans have a calendar.

www.astro.uu.nl

Departement Natuurkunde

Het onderzoek en onderwijs van het Departement Natuurkunde is breed georiënteerd en kent een grote verwevenheid met de (inter)nationale wetenschappelijke top
www.astro.uu.nl www.astro.uu.nl

From the university of Utrecht's astronomy website.
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Do You know why the Mayans have a calendar? They get the info back up from ayahuasca and ,´shrooms´. Good chance to make a lot of money for Roland Emmerich and the New age writers.

Science says magic doesn´t work. Magic says science is just a branch of magic.

Still wondering why the hc spice smokers didn´t believe in 2012...
 
I haven't read this whole thread, but plan on doing so in the next few days and will comment futher on it, but there are a few things that I'd like to point out.

There are a lot of things lining up with this date, the Mayans are just the most talked about. Some of the predictions/prophecies that relate directly or indirectly to this moment in time

Direct:
Mayan Calendar (both modern and ancient Maya)
Time Wave Zero
Hopi Prophecies (They saw the Blue Star Kachina in 2007)

Indirect:
Book of Revelation
Hindu Kali-Yuga
Edgar Cayce
Nostradamus
Egyptian Prophecies
Some African tribal prophecies
Australian Aboroginies

Im sure there are some more, but cannot think of them at this time. The fact is there is a lot of stuff both contemporary and ancient that point to this time in history being a pivotal one in our evolution. That there is something brewing, a transition, a revealing of hidden mysteries to unfold.
 
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