Why does the nexus feel they can police the internet?

[mckenna]

Why does the nexus feel it can police the internet? The nexus cannot control what information is disseminated into the public; nor can it control what is discussed about said information. But apparently it thinks it can! Somehow the nexus has got it into its collective head (read as the owner, some mods and grumpy chemists) that the information here is somehow secret! Or somehow have the audacity to suggest that somehow discussion about dmt anywhere outside of the nexus is taboo! Somehow everywhere else but here is public!

Why is all I ask! Why does the nexus collectively feel it can censor the internet? I can assure the nexus, the owner, the mods, and the grumpy chemists here, that not only have I continually been extracting dmt, giving it out, and spreading the word about it in everywhere way, shape, and form. That I have also been actively subverting every possible course of action the nexus takes in censoring this information.

This is more than just a mission, a quick idea that came and went, this is now been elevated into a life calling; a final goal; the end all of end alls if you will.

Please read this quote with great sincerity, and apply it to what I was just speaking about!

"Chaos is what we've lost touch with. This is why it is given a bad name. It is feared by the dominant archetype of our world, which is Ego, which clenches because its existence is defined in terms of control."

"Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviours are acceptable."

You can attempt to censor me, you can attempt to quiet me. You can try to slow me down but you will never stop me from spreading the word.

Good day all.

P.S. - Is 214 friends on facebook enough? I proclaim no!

 

[Ginkgo]

Well, first of all the Facebook page is not ours. It is the work of some more or less deluded person that thinks it is a good idea to talk about the DMT-Nexus as a place to learn how to distribute DMT.

We are not actually attempting to censor anyone. We all applaud that the word of DMT and other entheogens gets spread, provided this is done in the correct manner. Such information will have to include the facts about positive AND negative effects, how to do things safely, etc.

If things are painted more beautiful than they really are, we do exactly the opposite of what we want to do. We want to spread the truth, not a biased opinion one way or the other. This also includes that certain channels should avoid the subject. YouTube, for example, is a bad arena to learn people about DMT.

That does, however, not mean that all YouTube videos about DMT and other entheogens are bad. Very far from it. What's bad is videos showing people smoking DMT or salvia, which gives of the impression that this is 'just some drug'. People watching will not understand what it is about.

Similarly several YouTube videos have proclaimed the truth on how to extract DMT, when in fact their advices is down-right dangerous and might lead to explosions and fire. All such videos work against our will to decriminalize entheogens, thus we do our part in stopping them.

It's not about censoring people from telling the truth. It's about promoting the truth and stopping all elements that doesn't do justice - in one way or another - to the entheogens.

 

[obliguhl]

We've talked this through, knowledgestick.

 

[StrangeLoop]

I say there's two reasons:

You get people like Joe Rogan talking out of their ass, stating theories as facts, and propogating the common DMT trip. One of my friends wouldn't tell me about his DMT trip before I tried it myself, and I appreciate this although I already read plenty of experience reports. We build up all these expectations about this molecule and potentially end up where we're all just part of this mass delusion about what's really going on. If you haven't read the article "The Case Against DMT Elves" you should just so you have an open minded perspective about the experience.

And reason number two: more publicity means more control. More busts on MHRB and other botanical suppliers and possibly legislation regulating them.

To be honest, and no offense meant, but you sound somewhat naive, you basically want to "dose the world" and think all of us who oppose that are "grumpy chemists." Like those people who drop acid and think they've solved the world and get this idea in their head like they're the only person who has ever tripped acid before and had "epiphanies." You need to cool your head a bit, everything that psychedelics have shown you is already in the collective conscious of humanity. "Everyone needs to do drugs" is not their core message. Some people are, to be blunt, too simpleminded to really gleam anything substantial from the psychedelic experience. We should be working as a community to increase awareness in spirituality and connection/appreciation for nature, not awareness of how to make illegal drugs and trip your nuts off.

 

[cellux]

I think your questions have been more than adequately answered.

"Chaos is what we've lost touch with. This is why it is given a bad name. It is feared by the dominant archetype of our world, which is Ego, which clenches because its existence is defined in terms of control."

"Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviours are acceptable."

Let me share how I feel about this.

Chaos doesn't become order/manifestation just by itself. It needs a vehicle which can "inhale" the chaos, do some magic on it, and then exhale the order, the new structures, the next world, you know what I'm talking about. In my universe, this vehicle is what you call Ego.

The illusion that the Ego is a dangerous thing arises because one sees the millions of wrongs that come from the *corruption* of the Ego and the only logical conclusion seems to be that Ego itself must go. But this would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater (and it's impossible anyway). The right way is learning to separate the wheat from the chaff: purifying the Ego in a series of lessons (this is life) and thereby becoming a clean vessel into which that Chaos can be poured to, without the danger that it brings to life something evil.

With that said, all we are doing here is preparing an unproblematic child birth. We know it is coming, all we want to do is create the perfect circumstances for its arrival. We infuse the collective consciousness with ideas that help the general public come to terms with what DMT - and in general, the entheogens - mean.

If you think this over, then you will see why we are a bit concerned when we see information that basically gives out messages like "fuck you all, primitive, egoistic people, I know the TRUTH and you cannot stop me from proclaiming it from the rooftops! Truth will be triumphant with MY help!"

Even if we forget that last hint referring to egoism, the first part ( "fuck you all, primitive people" ) remains. And if we approach this problem without being able to overcome the illusory duality of "us vs. them" (which nearly all of the problematic videos do), then we have not much chance of success.

 

[jbark]

I am assuming this is knowledgestick, but perhaps not, given your location is identified as "britain".

Regardless, the answer remains the same: we are not policing the internet - in this instance we are merely trying to prevent someone (you, I assume from the content and tone of your post) from usurping and disparaging our name. With regards to youtube (which I assume is what you mean by policing), I believe it has been amply and clearly explained that we are simply endeavouring to protect our interests. If your interests differ, we can respect that, so long as they do not threaten ours.

So I suggest you start a forum of your own - it will give you a place to share your perspective (if you feel it is so radically different from ours) and attract like minded people - without threatening the MHRB lifeline, which would harm both us and you, and of course all the like minded people you could rejoin on the proposed forum. All we ask is that you take down the facebook page, respect our name, "dmt -nexus", and don't post potentially harmful videos on public forums that are heavily monitored and frequented by minors. That sounds responsible, no?

Please think about it. A war serves neither of our ends, and jeopardizes both our means. Let's resolve this!

Respectfully,

JBArk

 

[redeadnixon]

Why does the nexus feel it can police the internet? The nexus cannot control what information is disseminated into the public; nor can it control what is discussed about said information. But apparently it thinks it can! Somehow the nexus has got it into its collective head (read as the owner, some mods and grumpy chemists) that the information here is somehow secret! Or somehow have the audacity to suggest that somehow discussion about dmt anywhere outside of the nexus is taboo! Somehow everywhere else but here is public!

Why is all I ask! Why does the nexus collectively feel it can censor the internet? I can assure the nexus, the owner, the mods, and the grumpy chemists here, that not only have I continually been extracting dmt, giving it out, and spreading the word about it in everywhere way, shape, and form. That I have also been actively subverting every possible course of action the nexus takes in censoring this information.

This is more than just a mission, a quick idea that came and went, this is now been elevated into a life calling; a final goal; the end all of end alls if you will.

Please read this quote with great sincerity, and apply it to what I was just speaking about!

"Chaos is what we've lost touch with. This is why it is given a bad name. It is feared by the dominant archetype of our world, which is Ego, which clenches because its existence is defined in terms of control."

"Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviours are acceptable."

You can attempt to censor me, you can attempt to quiet me. You can try to slow me down but you will never stop me from spreading the word.

Good day all.

P.S. - Is 214 friends on facebook enough? I proclaim no!

WE ARE ANONYMOUS, WE DO NOT FORGIVE, WE DO NOT FORGET!
EXPECT US.

 

[jbark]

Why does the nexus feel it can police the internet? The nexus cannot control what information is disseminated into the public; nor can it control what is discussed about said information. But apparently it thinks it can! Somehow the nexus has got it into its collective head (read as the owner, some mods and grumpy chemists) that the information here is somehow secret! Or somehow have the audacity to suggest that somehow discussion about dmt anywhere outside of the nexus is taboo! Somehow everywhere else but here is public!

Why is all I ask! Why does the nexus collectively feel it can censor the internet? I can assure the nexus, the owner, the mods, and the grumpy chemists here, that not only have I continually been extracting dmt, giving it out, and spreading the word about it in everywhere way, shape, and form. That I have also been actively subverting every possible course of action the nexus takes in censoring this information.

This is more than just a mission, a quick idea that came and went, this is now been elevated into a life calling; a final goal; the end all of end alls if you will.

Please read this quote with great sincerity, and apply it to what I was just speaking about!

"Chaos is what we've lost touch with. This is why it is given a bad name. It is feared by the dominant archetype of our world, which is Ego, which clenches because its existence is defined in terms of control."

"Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviours are acceptable."

You can attempt to censor me, you can attempt to quiet me. You can try to slow me down but you will never stop me from spreading the word.

Good day all.

P.S. - Is 214 friends on facebook enough? I proclaim no!

WE ARE ANONYMOUS, WE DO NOT FORGIVE, WE DO NOT FORGET!
EXPECT US.

Sorry, but your post is unclear. Are you addressing us, or the OP? Either way, threats are not very constructive.

JBArk

 

[benzyme]

<-- grumpy chemist


it's called responsibility, kid. you'll inevitably inherit it when you get older.
there are responsible ways of going about things, and there are irresponsible ways of going about things. most of us prefer the former.

 

[redeadnixon]

JBark it's an inside joke, you won't understand unless you know where it's from.

 

[Infundibulum]

Why does the nexus feel it can police the internet? The nexus cannot control what information is disseminated in.....friends on facebook enough? I proclaim no!

WE ARE ANONYMOUS, WE DO NOT FORGIVE, WE DO NOT FORGET!
EXPECT US.

Sorry, but your post is unclear. Are you addressing us, or the OP? Either way, threats are not very constructive.

JBArk

He refers to the "Anonymous" ideology of many internet users as popularised by the /b/ board of 4chan.

<-- grumpy chemist

Would that be OK if I claim this title (even though I am no chemist)?? Pleeeease!!!

 

[jbark]

JBark it's an inside joke, you won't understand unless you know where it's from.

Knowlegestick, no?

edit: oh, what Infundibulum wrote... got it

 

[benzyme]

Would that be OK if I claim this title (even though I am no chemist)?? Pleeeease!!!

molecular biologists are closet chemists, biology is just a front

 

[eagleeyes]

i understand why the rules must be respected here.......i don't think nexus is trying to control the internet but perhaps just their own forum in order to keep it the way the owner or owners intended it to be.....
we don't want to do anyting that might incriminate anyone or ourselves in the public eye do we??

but i think you can say what you want in private messages .. and even then bee careful

 

[Virola78]

@mckenna

You have said it yourself:
"Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviours are acceptable."

...maybe join some discussions when you are done 'spreading the word'?

 

[The Traveler]

WE ARE ANONYMOUS, WE DO NOT FORGIVE, WE DO NOT FORGET!
EXPECT US.

I LOVE Anonymous!


Then a reply to the OP:

If other people have other opinions then they can state those opinions in their own words and with their own NAME.
If someone steals our name (DMT-Nexus) then those people are clearly impostors, the reason why people do this can be discussed in length but then we still wouldn't know do we?

If I may ask you, why impose as the DMT-Nexus while you can create your own front? Do you think this is a smart way to handle a discussion?


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[GirlsHateMe]

Im torn on this thread, on one hand I see what the op is saying, and on another hand, if I were to lose my mhrb connect, I would be very very sad and angry. Overall, protecting the lifeline to our sources is the MOST important thing, because without them, this is all moot. THATS why this place does what it does, the owner and mods are trying to help us protect those lifelines.

Thats what you need to understand.

Also, I HATE anonymous, those people are such fools, first of all that stupid v for vendetta face doesn't mean what they think it does, that guy was a Protestant killer for the catholic church, is that what you guys want to represent?

Probably not.

Also, "we are leagon, we are many" is a line that deamons in the Bible used before Jesus sent them into pigs, who then ran off a cliff. What kind of people would even want to identify themselves by such a thing? Sad people, thats who.

bottom line is, PROTECT THE LIFELINES!

 

[hyperspacing]

We have to police the internet! How else are we going to take over the world?
Bwuahahahahahahahahahaha(evil laugh)

 

[Xt]

In all seriousness... why is having dmt on face book a good idea? Its entirely inappropriate. Get real man.
Wtf.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

If I may ask you, why impose as the DMT-Nexus while you can create your own front?

It's really this simple.

If you wanna promote DMT, do it as you. There is absolutely no need for you to commit identity fraud just because you made videos demonstrating unsafe lab-practices and behaviors and got upset when people called you out on it. You always wave your red herrings of "freedom" and standing up to the government, but that's really not what this is about. The climate is what it is and acting as you are is no more effective than going up to a beat-cop and waving a bag of drugs in his face. It doesn't change anything. If you were really a fraction of the activist you claim to be, you wouldn't have time to make fake facebook groups aimed at "distributing dmt", you would be tackling politically relevant issues that could bring the drug war to an end. Your small mindedness and hubris are laughable, I'm glad I only have to interact with you through a virtual interface as I feel you would be beyond thoroughly intolerable in the real world.

SB