sc001 said:I think i undrestand and have a good idea of what to expect
You don't.
sc001 said:I think i undrestand and have a good idea of what to expect
Uncle Knucles said:sc001 said:I think i undrestand and have a good idea of what to expect
You don't.
I am not sure! Lucidity is awareness of the situation you are in. The least that would be is simply understanding where you are, your situation and that it is not your normal reality. At the fully lucid end of this you will understand the ramifications of this and be able to work with the reality you find yourself in.march said:Does lucidity means ambiguity?
Uncle Knucles said:sc001 said:I think i undrestand and have a good idea of what to expect
You don't.
3rdI said:Art doesnt need to read your mind to know you dont know whats to come
before you do it nobody has a clue, you think you do, then.......:shock:
sc001 said:So unless if you know what im thinking, and what expriences iv had in the past you shouldnt just straight out tell people they have no clue, just because the first time you had it the exprience may have come as a big suprise.
sc001 said:Im not saying i will not be suprised or overwhelmed by the exprience, all im saying is that i have a fair idea of what to expect, of both the good and the bad.
cyb said:It's rather tricky to articulate.... :surprised
sc001 said:3rdI said:Art doesnt need to read your mind to know you dont know whats to come
before you do it nobody has a clue, you think you do, then.......:shock:
I didnt say i know exactly what to expect, i said i have a good idea based on peoples description of their trips in hyper space after consuming DMT, and based on these descriptions i see many similarities with my expriences with sleep pralysis, OBE in the astral plane as well as some unusual expriences in the dream state as well as via using diffrent drugs.
sc001 said:And i assume DMT exprience would be alot more intense with less mental control or lucidity, and the fact that you can only get out when the drug wares off, unlike other states when you get out when you want.
sc001 said:I know once you take it and when it begins you will find your self in another world, and i undrestand peoples description of it and their exprience.
sc001 said:Im not saying i will not be suprised or overwhelmed by the exprience, all im saying is that i have a fair idea of what to expect, of both the good and the bad.
3rdI said:dont worry you did well, candyflosscatbatteryism seems like a reasonable feelingcyb said:It's rather tricky to articulate....
Enoon said:One time I smoked DMT and turned into Yggdrasil ... now THAT was unexpected.
Could be just me, but even after having done it several times I still have no idea what will happen the next time I do it. So I find it quite astounding that someone does. I understand that parts of some experiences sound a lot like sleep paralysis, but subjectively it's really nothing like it. Except maybe the strange auditory phenomenon, but even that is still different. The only thing you can with certainty expect is the unexpectable. If that makes sense...
I think it's good that you've made yourself a picture of what the experience might consist of, as a way of preparing yourself however. Even though most everyone will say you cannot fully prepare for it or that you cannot in the least bit predict the experience, it's not a bad idea to prepare your mind for some heavy bending by looking at the objective range of things happening to other people. I guess the main problem is that the subjective experience is truly shaking and though the fact that it was shaking can be transmitted by words, the subjective feeling cannot. It's like trying to explain of the feeling of being in love to someone who has never felt it. The fact that it comes with a change of your insides makes it very difficult to imagine it from the outside.
I still believe that you're doing the right thing in preparing yourself though. So good luck and have a good ride!
Uncle Knucles said:I wasn't criticizing your post. If you want to think you know what to expect, go ahead and think it. But you really don't. You can't. It's that simple. And I don't need to be able to read your mind in order to make that assertion. I make it because if you did have any idea whatsoever, you'd be the first person ever who had.
I'd had hundreds of psychedelic experiences prior to DMT, read every trip report and book on the subject that I could get my hands on, and I still didn't have the slightest clue what a breakthrough was or might entail. Even now, with hundreds of first hand experiences under my belt, I still have no idea what it is or what the hell to expect - and every time I think that I do, it proves me wrong completely.
Your saying you know what to expect is like making the same statement about death. I've read about death, have even heard stories from people whose hearts have stopped beating - and yet it would be the height of foolish arrogance to assume without the benefit of having died that I know what it's going to be like. Once I'm dead, I guess I'll know. Until then, I probably won't.
So, that is why I made the statement, and why I'll make it again:
You don't.
sc001 said:i was only saying im starting to get an idea of what to expect.
Uncle Knucles said:sc001 said:i was only saying im starting to get an idea of what to expect.
You're not.
d*l*b said:I think the point is that you have to go in with an open mind and a willingness to give in. Expect the unexpected. This in itself means you, I and everyone else here has no idea of what to expect. None of us can give you any good explanation of what the experience holds, it falls outside of that which words can adequately describe. Whatever the prep talk you cannot truly have any clue what to expect. Even after tens, hundreds or thousands of journeys you will still be rolling an infinite-sided die.
You may, like me, find that your first experiences leave you wondering what all the fuss is about and be lulled into a false sense of security. You may find your first experience catapults you to a heaven, hell or somewhere in between that you could never have imagined and will have a hard time elucidating to yourself or anyone else.
Whilst some comments directed at you may seem harsh but it is the truth. Nobody has a clue, we are delving into a multiverse of infinite novelty. Suck it and see if you think it is for you, you will find out if it is soon enough.
Keep your wits about you and take everything you discover with a good few kilos of salt.