Why you should NOT take DMT

[indydude19]

Great post, i would add that whether beginner or experienced, the dose is of vital importance, not only too have enough for a breakthrough but not too much. about 3 or 4 years ago SWIM had a traumatic experience in which he accidentally did between 2 or 3 times the breakthrough dose and proceeded to go into a seizure like state, about the same as the one in Strassman's spirit molecule book, and then had an extra long journey that to his mind seemed endless for all time. When SWIM came out of it about 30 minutes later it was clear something was different in his head. he felt his head was half the weight it was before, he proceeded to lose about 20 pounds over the course of a month and a half, 20 pounds that could not be afforded for such a slim person, because he could no longer feel hunger or thirst, AT ALL. It took lots of reflection, excercise, and various other practices to recover this function. Just an experience SWIM had when not excercising proper respect and caution on this journey. in the end it netted a good thing as SWIM realized he had seen true inner peace of the highest level, but the 16 yr old's mind was not ready for such a thing then.

 

[Lushi]

Hello everyone,

I have also read through the whole thread over the past 3 days. My eyes will probably suffer, as I've read on my phone. But nevermind.

I have been to this site, maybe 2 years ago, when I was really interested in trying dmt. Time passed by, and eventually I had an experience with another substance, which left me reasoning and thinking in a similar way as many of you here do, concerning giving dmt to other people. With difference, that I am pondering about introducing some my friends to Heavenly blue morning glory seeds, lsa being the active compound as you know.

As ridiculous as it may sound, I had a breakthrough during my second ever trip, on 310 of those seeds. (my first trip was on 242 seeds) So now I am left worried if it may happen to any of my friends, given the strange circumstance that it happened to me so early. I am not really experienced with it. (never met anyone who used it), and I generally considered (and still do, really) it a somewhat lower category psychedelic, and am not sure if it is needed to be taken with such caution? (I am really afraid to give even lower doses to some of my good friends). Hearing that people who tried lsd and dmt still haven't had the "from-now-on-you-are-not-really-you moment", and that people do some psychedelics for years without it, honestly seems a bit strange, but I colud imagine it.

Still, does anyone have any advice considering caution regarding these seeds? I am already cautious because of my own experience, but I could use some reassurance about whether to expect people to reach the Peak on lsa, or not.

As far as the discussion about introducing people to life-changing substances, I guess it can be argued in favor of both opinions: if you have sympathy for people the way they are meant to be, you just might want to spare them the possible horror of experiencing dissolution of themselves; yet if you look at it from a different perspective of the Higher I, you might want everyone to shed their human skin and reach for their only true nature, which is nature itself. (bla bla..) :d

That would be it from me for now, I just might start checking in here from time to time, as I see it is an interesting community here where we could talk about subjects not mentioned in the daily too often.

Have a good day all

 

[hummus]

When you've heard the answer, hang up the phone.

 

[3rdI]

when you've heard the answer, ask another question

 

[User1911]

If you haven't been searching for it, then I don't think your'e ready. And if you do not know what I mean by "it" then you are not ready.

This molecule is something of a miracle to mankind. Travelers all over the globe have been searching for a way to get that plane of existence. DMT takes you there, that place we knew existed but couldn't get there.

Iv'e seen this molecule been taken lightly and looked at as some type of joke by some. One person put it "Whats the big deal, you put it in a pipe and smoke and see things", If thats the approach or idea you have towords this molecule, stay away from it. You will miss the point.

The expierence can be mind bending for some, those who will fight it their minds have been locked up so attached to things like facebook and twitter and such, where others will embrace it because its the place they have been longing for.

All I can say is approach with caution if you think its just the hip thing to do. And embrace it if you are a life long traveler and enjoy the realm that you have been searching for.

 

[Tranzcentral]

I won't be taking DMT again after my experience last night.

For some reason my post from last night was deleted...could admin please PM me and please explain to me why my post was removed?

I asked for help, if my thread was moved, can you tell me where it is?

It is not to be taken lightly, what happened to me is something i dare not to ever repeat.

 

[lifeafterlife]

I agree, this is life changing.it has consumed my mind.i cannot go day without being lost in experience.what does this mean? what did I see? is this real? and on and on....I cannot have normal life now.i am lost in thought.be cautious,very magical, powerful.

 

[daisranger]

Thank you all who have contributed to this thread. I made it about halfway through reading it before having a mild panic attack and wondering if I'd ever take the plunge again.

I was obsessing over the spice, but couldn't build up the courage to jump back in for weeks. Kept coming to the Nexus to find the answer to my doubts and fear, but ended up making it worse by reading others trouble.

This was necessary.

The time was spent integrating as much as possible from prior experiences. Very slowly, more kept coming back, memories I had almost given up on retrieving.

I finally built up the courage to try again tonight, putting this thread out of my mind (the title is so strong!) and reminding myself what I came here to do. It was well worth the wait, and I had my smoothest, most appreciable experience yet.

If it doesn't feel right, it isn't!!! When that happy butterfly feeling hit my stomach, I knew it was time to channel it into courage. Be prepared, be safe, follow your gut.

There is a lot of wisdom in this thread, eternal gratitude everyone.

 

[mfmeitbual]

When people ask me if they should try it, I respond with an emphatic NO and a hesitant yes. Potent mind-altering substances have a habit of being highly unpredictable and if a person is not psychologically and physically prepared, the experience can be terrifying and the only thing worse than being terrified is being unable to escape the source of your terror.

DMT is not fun, it is not a kick or a buzz - it is an adventure into unexplored territory and should be treated with the same respect.

 

[lutinmalin]

Just some thoughts after reading most of this thread..I don't feel like spending this lovely afternoon in front of my monitor, so I'll just drop a few lines while it's fresh.

Whatever you may say, there is a lot of elitism in this thread...
Maybe some people will come out of their trip completely changed, wasted, traumatized, whatever you call it...
Who are you to say that it was not meant to be? meant to happen anyway? That it's not for the better?
What if NOT going through more DMT sessions is the real issue/causes the real damage?
What if this damage is better than the innocent/naive/frustrated/repressed life before the trip?
What if it's not DMT that is responsible for that damage, but the lack of something else? Some would say a shaman, some would say MAOI, some would say set and setting...
What are the standards to decide if a trip is good or bad? Bad feelings may bring positive outcomes, and vice-versa.
What if the people "damaged" by the experience are collateral damage required for the vast majority to evolve/advance? I'm the kind of guy who would pour a bottle of liquid LSD in a water tower...(I've never been able of finding the supplies though :twisted: )

I don't want to sound aggressive or anything like that, these are the questions that come to my mind when I read things like...what Hyperspace Fool wrote, for instance. Maybe I'm saying stupid things, I haven't given much thinking to all of that.

Some of you guys sure seem to know a lot, in contrast with what OP said about DMT only bringing more questions.
I, for one, know nothing. Cogito ergo sum... and that's about it.

Peace

 

[hug46]

I'm the kind of guy who would pour a bottle of liquid LSD in a water tower...(I've never been able of finding the supplies though

Peace

Oh god give me strength! Not another misguided, evangelical fundamentalist. I"ll hedge my bets with the elitists .

 

[Enoon]

Just some thoughts after reading most of this thread..I don't feel like spending this lovely afternoon in front of my monitor, so I'll just drop a few lines while it's fresh.

Whatever you may say, there is a lot of elitism in this thread...
Maybe some people will come out of their trip completely changed, wasted, traumatized, whatever you call it...
Who are you to say that it was not meant to be? meant to happen anyway? That it's not for the better?
What if NOT going through more DMT sessions is the real issue/causes the real damage?
What if this damage is better than the innocent/naive/frustrated/repressed life before the trip?
What if it's not DMT that is responsible for that damage, but the lack of something else? Some would say a shaman, some would say MAOI, some would say set and setting...
What are the standards to decide if a trip is good or bad? Bad feelings may bring positive outcomes, and vice-versa.
What if the people "damaged" by the experience are collateral damage required for the vast majority to evolve/advance? I'm the kind of guy who would pour a bottle of liquid LSD in a water tower...(I've never been able of finding the supplies though :twisted: )

I don't want to sound aggressive or anything like that, these are the questions that come to my mind when I read things like...what Hyperspace Fool wrote, for instance. Maybe I'm saying stupid things, I haven't given much thinking to all of that.

Some of you guys sure seem to know a lot, in contrast with what OP said about DMT only bringing more questions.
I, for one, know nothing. Cogito ergo sum... and that's about it.

Peace

lutinmalin,

I agree that we cannot know in advance if a trip will have negative effects on someone, but we can also not know that it will have positive effects. I think it is foolish and arrogant to believe that DMT or psychedelics in general are a sure-bet for evolution or positive development.

Regardless of elitism or what has been said in this thread about how "dmt is not meant for everyone", those that consider taking it should be well informed about both risks and potential benefits in order to make an informed choice.

I doubt very much that dosing hundreds of unaware people with LSD or any other psychoactive would have any positive long-lasting effect on anyone. I would go as far as to suggest that one of the main reasons we have positive effects from psychoactives is that we are in a sense ready for them and consciously taking them in this manner. And even then we don't always have enlightening journeys. Psychedelics are not necessary for human evolution, IMO, they are simply one more path, one more tool to help us see. But unfortunately it seems to be a process that cannot be forced in this way.

Either way, most people here feel very strongly about the idea of dosing people without consent and feel it is highly irresponsible. While I understand you said that more or less as a joke, I would like to point out that we do not condone this kind of thing. Taking psychedelics should always be a choice, and the more aware you are of what you are doing, the better.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I'm the kind of guy who would pour a bottle of liquid LSD in a water tower...(I've never been able of finding the supplies though :twisted: )

And with that, you have earned yourself a nice vacation from The Nexus. Enjoy! :thumb_up:

Final words from lutinmalin:

Obviously, that water tower thing was sort of a joke, for the simple reason that I wouldn't want to expose kids (even though I watched a fun documentary yesterday about kids stoned on medical MJ!). These sort of events happened in the past (I'm thinking about the Pont-Saint-Esprit case), and it didn't take a nice turn of events, but the people were not aware of ingesting it, so they either lost contact with reality (and flew off a window) or thought they were losing their sanity (and rushed to the nearest asylum). In this sense, I agree that one must probably be aware of ingesting a psychedelic in order to enjoy it / gain from it.

 

[indydude19]

When trying DMT, or any pyschedelic or entheogen, it is important to remember that, for most, ignorance is bliss and upon loss of ignorance one may lose a bit of bliss as well.

On the other hand lose enough ignorance and you may find things more beautiful than you ever thought possible before.

 

[sjaman]

I cannot think of a reason not to take DMT, its so versatile and with so many layers.

Not taking DMT its like having a jungle next to your house which you decide never to explore.

The only reason I can think of is not having the proper gear, like a mg scale or a machine / pipe

 

[3rdI]

Not taking DMT its like having a jungle next to your house which you decide never to explore.

some people who explore the jungle get eaten and never come back.

 

[Cakeslam]

This has been a great thread for an inexperienced pup like me to read through. antrocles' post really struck a chord with me, especially this part:

Are you in a place where you can COMPLETELY let go? do you meditate? have you made peace with your life? have you let go of ANY and ALL expectations? are you as empty as you are able to be? let go of everything...then let go of letting go.

For some reason I felt quite tearful while reading it, probably because I realised how far away I am from reaching that level of mental and spiritual peace. Plus you articulated the change in your perception of reality really well, it was as if I caught the tiniest glimpse - no, not even a glimpse, a mere whisper - of what awaits you in hyperspace and how it changes you as a person. I hate to get all mushy and romantic but it really was insightful and inspiring to read.

 

[112233]

DMT is not fun, it is not a kick or a buzz

Why do so many people parrot this belief? DMT is LOADS of fun!! It is a kick, and the buzz is fantastic. I laugh the hardest during a revelatory night of the molecule; how can this not be fun? People take themselves too seriously.

That said, it's certainly not something to be cavalier about, it's nothing to take lightly. But to say, unequivocally, that DMT is not fun, that's just being disingenuous.

 

[Entheogenerator]

I realize that this member has already been banned temporarily for his post, but I feel like sharing my two cents.

Whatever you may say, there is a lot of elitism in this thread...
Maybe some people will come out of their trip completely changed, wasted, traumatized, whatever you call it...
Who are you to say that it was not meant to be? meant to happen anyway? That it's not for the better?
What if NOT going through more DMT sessions is the real issue/causes the real damage?
What if this damage is better than the innocent/naive/frustrated/repressed life before the trip?
What if it's not DMT that is responsible for that damage, but the lack of something else? Some would say a shaman, some would say MAOI, some would say set and setting...
What are the standards to decide if a trip is good or bad? Bad feelings may bring positive outcomes, and vice-versa.
What if the people "damaged" by the experience are collateral damage required for the vast majority to evolve/advance? I'm the kind of guy who would pour a bottle of liquid LSD in a water tower...(I've never been able of finding the supplies though :twisted: )

Regardless of whether it was "meant to be" (if you believe in such things), I don't want any part in causing another person harm, trauma, terror, or any of the other potential dangers that are associated with psychedelic use. Putting myself at risk is one thing, as that is my right as a human, but I will not willingly do so to another person.

DMT is not going to save the world. Neither is any other psychedelic. This has been attempted on a large-ish scale in the past, and it did not end well. Just because my situation may be conducive to gaining certain things from the psychedelic experience does not mean that everyone's is, and I am not in a position to accurately make that distinction.

Call it elitism, call it morality, call it whatever you so choose; but I will not be indiscriminately sharing one of the most powerful psychedelics known to man with everyone I encounter.

And really? Collateral damage?? These are human lives we are talking about here.

 

[Entheogenerator]

DMT is not fun, it is not a kick or a buzz

Why do so many people parrot this belief? DMT is LOADS of fun!! It is a kick, and the buzz is fantastic. I laugh the hardest during a revelatory night of the molecule; how can this not be fun? People take themselves too seriously.

That said, it's certainly not something to be cavalier about, it's nothing to take lightly. But to say, unequivocally, that DMT is not fun, that's just being disingenuous.

DMT can be loads of fun. It can also be an eternity of inescapable anguish, pure unprecedented terror, compacted down into 5-10 "real time" minutes.

The second half of your post hit the nail right on the head. Mindfulness, respect, and caution seem to be the key to having mostly positive, enjoyable, and possibly beneficial experiences.