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Why you should NOT take DMT
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To derail a bit - the whole dispute about psychedelics being recreational or not is a very interesting thing. I think a lot of people are afraid to admit to having fun with these substances out of some kind of puritan belief that fun is wicked. But I would think that for our mental and physical health having fun is actually beneficial. Laughing can help heal but isn't it also a preventive measure from becoming depressed and bitter or bored with life? Why should having fun be a bad thing? As long as we do it with respect and awareness...
Trying to take psychedelics or dmt always for a purpose, with a goal, with some kind of specific benefit in mind is like a reflection of our profit driven society - every single thing is done only to gain. Usually money. But DMT or psychedelics are not the currency for a psychedelic vending machine, where when you throw in a dose you get a coca cola of insight out. Nor do I feel can insights be sought after like a material resource can. We are working in the realm of the non-material - be it psychological or spiritual (or whatever), the laws and relationships of the material world do not translate fully to this realm. To me, it's all about learning to enjoy life to the maximum, with all its ups and downs, to become enthusiastic in every moment - having fun with psychedelics can certainly help with this, simply by helping me to relax and thus enjoy.
But of course, I cannot take a psychedelic with the intention of "having fun in order to progress my level of enthusiasm". It cannot be forced or directed like this. I just have to enjoy as it comes. I have fun. I let myself have a good time once in a while... It's serious business and should not be taken without proper knowledge, but perhaps once in a while it could/should be taken "lightly" (not foolishly!). Because all this weight will just keep us down...
Trying to take psychedelics or dmt always for a purpose, with a goal, with some kind of specific benefit in mind is like a reflection of our profit driven society - every single thing is done only to gain. Usually money. But DMT or psychedelics are not the currency for a psychedelic vending machine, where when you throw in a dose you get a coca cola of insight out. Nor do I feel can insights be sought after like a material resource can. We are working in the realm of the non-material - be it psychological or spiritual (or whatever), the laws and relationships of the material world do not translate fully to this realm. To me, it's all about learning to enjoy life to the maximum, with all its ups and downs, to become enthusiastic in every moment - having fun with psychedelics can certainly help with this, simply by helping me to relax and thus enjoy.
But of course, I cannot take a psychedelic with the intention of "having fun in order to progress my level of enthusiasm". It cannot be forced or directed like this. I just have to enjoy as it comes. I have fun. I let myself have a good time once in a while... It's serious business and should not be taken without proper knowledge, but perhaps once in a while it could/should be taken "lightly" (not foolishly!). Because all this weight will just keep us down...
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Homo discens
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Trypfinite
Rising Star
Why you should not smoke dmt: are you ready for the doors of the spirit world to be flung wide?
As for myself, before my first breakthroughs all this talk of the "spirit-world" was casually dismissed as not real.
I speculate this may be the reason many new dmt experimentalists have good or positive trips.
Also the reason many have had horrifying and obscene experiences in hyperspace.
You are knowingly opening up the confines of your mind to the whims of whatever spirit being finds you of interest at the time (hopefully one of benevolence who sees your desire for truth and growth and also sees the lenghths you will go to catch a glimpse of what else may be existing co-laterally with you.)
But just as the positive ones may aid a seeker, so may a malevolent being wish to consume one.
As humans -children of the universe- we have a fundamental connection to the central light, the most high. When we deny this or belittle the supremity of this, we open ourselves up to entanglement with darkness. (Not the pop-existential darkness, but the parasitic, haunting, stalking, soul-eating darkness--as some of these dark beings are strewn with lights.) And there seems to be a hierarchical structure to the rank of these beings. Some are lesser minions (the tricksters and imps) some are greater (khali, beelzebub, etc.)
It is also my belief that the tricksters are also distractors, "entertainers" even. (Jokers and clowns anybody?) And while they may put on a brilliant show, ultimately do not have your best interest at heart. And possibly, as has been mentioned before, may be acting as a type of anesthetizing agent while some darker force is in operation.
This may be the source of strong pre-flight anxiety. The "subconscious" acknowledgement that things are not half as they seems and that if you continue the present course of action (and smoke the dmt) that you will be submersed in this reality unabated. And unless consciously wary of this, unprotected.
Which brings me to the point that is most important.
If you decide dmt is for you, then
take necessary steps and protective measures before entering hyperspace. Research various shamanistic techniques--burn well-chosen incense, clean, meditate, acknowledge your need for aid and an ally in this spirit world and request one humbly from the most high--this is your right as a human being from time immemorable.
Still so, my personal advice is to not go into hyperspace with inner turmoil or self confliction. Work on your spiritual condition. Or you could open yourself up to inhabitation by things you do not want inside of you, at all, whether you are nihilist atheist or animist.
If you are ingesting dmt, it's time to set down the reason-conquers-all mindset, and rather approach these places with fear and trembling, awe and respect.
Personally I would rather be audience to an angelic host singing praises of joy than a spectator to the machinations of an ocean of "elves."
Call out for aid in your time of need, in or out of hyperspace. You will be heard.
As for myself, before my first breakthroughs all this talk of the "spirit-world" was casually dismissed as not real.
indydude19 said:
I speculate this may be the reason many new dmt experimentalists have good or positive trips.
Also the reason many have had horrifying and obscene experiences in hyperspace.
You are knowingly opening up the confines of your mind to the whims of whatever spirit being finds you of interest at the time (hopefully one of benevolence who sees your desire for truth and growth and also sees the lenghths you will go to catch a glimpse of what else may be existing co-laterally with you.)
But just as the positive ones may aid a seeker, so may a malevolent being wish to consume one.
As humans -children of the universe- we have a fundamental connection to the central light, the most high. When we deny this or belittle the supremity of this, we open ourselves up to entanglement with darkness. (Not the pop-existential darkness, but the parasitic, haunting, stalking, soul-eating darkness--as some of these dark beings are strewn with lights.) And there seems to be a hierarchical structure to the rank of these beings. Some are lesser minions (the tricksters and imps) some are greater (khali, beelzebub, etc.)
It is also my belief that the tricksters are also distractors, "entertainers" even. (Jokers and clowns anybody?) And while they may put on a brilliant show, ultimately do not have your best interest at heart. And possibly, as has been mentioned before, may be acting as a type of anesthetizing agent while some darker force is in operation.
This may be the source of strong pre-flight anxiety. The "subconscious" acknowledgement that things are not half as they seems and that if you continue the present course of action (and smoke the dmt) that you will be submersed in this reality unabated. And unless consciously wary of this, unprotected.
Which brings me to the point that is most important.
If you decide dmt is for you, then
take necessary steps and protective measures before entering hyperspace. Research various shamanistic techniques--burn well-chosen incense, clean, meditate, acknowledge your need for aid and an ally in this spirit world and request one humbly from the most high--this is your right as a human being from time immemorable.
Still so, my personal advice is to not go into hyperspace with inner turmoil or self confliction. Work on your spiritual condition. Or you could open yourself up to inhabitation by things you do not want inside of you, at all, whether you are nihilist atheist or animist.
If you are ingesting dmt, it's time to set down the reason-conquers-all mindset, and rather approach these places with fear and trembling, awe and respect.
Personally I would rather be audience to an angelic host singing praises of joy than a spectator to the machinations of an ocean of "elves."
Call out for aid in your time of need, in or out of hyperspace. You will be heard.
Sometimes one is not aware that DMT is not for them until they have experienced it. There have been more than a few times I have questioned whether that was me or not. I have toyed with the idea of hanging up the phone. A part of me won't let go. Only time will tell and I think DMT is def something that should be contemplated about for some time for some people rather than just jumping in the fire.
It will burn some people, heck it burns most. Whether or not you can rise from the ashes unscathed depends on too many things we do not yet understand.
It will burn some people, heck it burns most. Whether or not you can rise from the ashes unscathed depends on too many things we do not yet understand.
darklordsson
Rising Star
This is very true its not for everyone, but that doesnt mean they wont be eventully. Set and setting is more than being comfortable at home in pjs listening to reggea, Its internal, its how you feel. Are you at peace? Is the daily grind of reality putting too much stress on you? Are there family issues or personal issues? All these things are soo important because residual feelings are much stronger than we think, especally when they disappear then reappear when were reminded of them. Almost like angels and demons. I never took DMT as recreational use or ever before now, I just wasnt ready, I use it spiritually its like my personal shrink lol.:d Ive also ex lsd shooms etc. pretty used to it but this is completley diff. So no its not for everyone. Its only time for when you know your ready and comforatable reality can make or break somebody especally if its their own they percieve melting before thier eyes.
EX. I was pretty upset and didnt even know i was unhappy, I was bullied as a child, never understood why the others were soo cruel, also had jobs I was very good at but quit because the boss was a dick, also had a great job working as a moto tech for a bit. But im self employed now cause i cant deal with spiritually unproductive people that jus hate life Im all for constructive critisisim but these guys took it way too far, jus hated life...
I was drinking heavily untill recently had done my first ext. Loaded up my spice and the first exp made me reborn in a sense, I remembered as a younger child like 3-5 years old before i went to school before I walked into the world and I remeber I was very happy, and only yourself can make yourself happy, the world is a beautiful place with soo much to learn. I started crying because I relized who I am now and who I was then were two completly seperate people, I had a rush of clairity and remembered thats how I want to be again, this world wore me down , people are cruel, and 90% of great people are abused by these other people because of another problem they have with themselves, Ive learned to forgive all the people who hurt me because it wasnt there fault. My spirit was reborn and became what my spirit always was, and had been but forgotton for soo long. Im happy again because it showed me the big picture because i was ready and prepaired to ask the question "WHY?", Why am I unhappy I need to know. It was litterally killing me with all that drinking trying to numb what i couldnt see. But this is my exp. Thankfully It was a breakthrough for my self and my wife, now she loves that im happy, but terrified of what could be with substances, shes straight edge and im the crazy one, ying and yang, lol
But yes DMT can suck you in, spin you around in the cosmic blender break you down, pour you out and shape you into something beautiful, or it could just as easily make you feel like a puddle that has no shape or meaning... Warning and much research should be considered before undergoing the journey.
May Peace Find You Wherever You Go, Gods Bless and Speed
EX. I was pretty upset and didnt even know i was unhappy, I was bullied as a child, never understood why the others were soo cruel, also had jobs I was very good at but quit because the boss was a dick, also had a great job working as a moto tech for a bit. But im self employed now cause i cant deal with spiritually unproductive people that jus hate life Im all for constructive critisisim but these guys took it way too far, jus hated life...
I was drinking heavily untill recently had done my first ext. Loaded up my spice and the first exp made me reborn in a sense, I remembered as a younger child like 3-5 years old before i went to school before I walked into the world and I remeber I was very happy, and only yourself can make yourself happy, the world is a beautiful place with soo much to learn. I started crying because I relized who I am now and who I was then were two completly seperate people, I had a rush of clairity and remembered thats how I want to be again, this world wore me down , people are cruel, and 90% of great people are abused by these other people because of another problem they have with themselves, Ive learned to forgive all the people who hurt me because it wasnt there fault. My spirit was reborn and became what my spirit always was, and had been but forgotton for soo long. Im happy again because it showed me the big picture because i was ready and prepaired to ask the question "WHY?", Why am I unhappy I need to know. It was litterally killing me with all that drinking trying to numb what i couldnt see. But this is my exp. Thankfully It was a breakthrough for my self and my wife, now she loves that im happy, but terrified of what could be with substances, shes straight edge and im the crazy one, ying and yang, lol
But yes DMT can suck you in, spin you around in the cosmic blender break you down, pour you out and shape you into something beautiful, or it could just as easily make you feel like a puddle that has no shape or meaning... Warning and much research should be considered before undergoing the journey.
May Peace Find You Wherever You Go, Gods Bless and Speed
Psychoactive Haven
Rising Star
"Once your eyes are open, you can't close them"
I think im not ready yet. I've tried it many times, always escaped just before breaking through. That feeling of being "naked" - no body, no ego - just you - revelaed to god know what creatures. Altough they can do no harm to you (i hope) it's still a firghtening idea to me. I wonder - is it wrong for humans to try sneak a peak to the other side? Im strugglig with myself, anyone can help me with this - does this experience gave anything to you, that you didn't have and COULN'T have and acheive in "normal" way - developing yourself spiritually? Without the spice? Because if one enters this place, what benefits can be taken back from there? For me all i've experienced was just feeling, like it was a show for children to watch whats there. I know this alter worlds, or transition places are important, eternal etc. But shouldn't we be focused on THIS life and THIS experience, of right now right here?
SargeHT
Rising Star
I thought to myself that I had already done my homework when I took the plunge...
I was ready with all the things needed for the 3 tokes...
I was ready with all experience reports that I've read, even as to have memorized some to give me the assurance of a good, well controlled immersion...
But only to have found out, only on the first toke that I wasn't even near to being slightly prepared..
It shooked me and caught me off guard... No Words would ever be near what I experienced (comming from a synthethic chemical romance of my own and having no Psychedelic experiences whatsover)
It made me realized that what I thought I knew was totally nothing compared to what was in front of me..
It made me also ask myself if I still wanted to do it again and to pursue it more deeper...
Thinking if someone like me who's curious and interested would even think of asking this to myself... what more for someone who has no knowledge whatsover..
I said I will be back deeper... but not until I do my homework again...
I was ready with all the things needed for the 3 tokes...
I was ready with all experience reports that I've read, even as to have memorized some to give me the assurance of a good, well controlled immersion...
But only to have found out, only on the first toke that I wasn't even near to being slightly prepared..
It shooked me and caught me off guard... No Words would ever be near what I experienced (comming from a synthethic chemical romance of my own and having no Psychedelic experiences whatsover)
It made me realized that what I thought I knew was totally nothing compared to what was in front of me..
It made me also ask myself if I still wanted to do it again and to pursue it more deeper...
Thinking if someone like me who's curious and interested would even think of asking this to myself... what more for someone who has no knowledge whatsover..
I said I will be back deeper... but not until I do my homework again...
LazyGrumpkin
Rising Star
SargeHT said:
No homework in the world is going to make you ever be truly "ready". In the end, only courage matters.
pzlpzlpzl said:
Sure. Although what is THIS life and THIS experience? Who knows, only you can decide, only you can choose.
A sneak peak to the other side? IMO this is the other side. Weve only been here a short time, that other place you refer to... Thats where we come from. So if dmt shows us a glimpse of our home how could that be bad. I mean really how can anything we do be bad were just here to do it all.
anrchy said:
Since I can't send pm yet, im gonna ask you, or anyone else here: my biggest problem so far is my irrational fear of dying from not breathing. When DMT rises you to the point where time stops running, i feel that my breathing breaks are so long that i don;t breath at all. I was trying to focus on breathing, since i meditate and thats best way to relax, but with this feeling i can't relax. What do you propose, to think of, when you launch? I mean, i KNOW im not going to die after dmt, but still, my fear is so senseless and overhelming, that it stops me from breaking through.
pzlpzlpzl said:
This was a hard one for me too. At first I tried normalizing my breathing but I noticed this was not working so well. So instead I focused on allowing my breathing to SLOW. It got to a point where I felt like I wasnt breathing but did not feel like I was holding my breath and BAM... I broke through. You have to tell yourself that you are breathing, that its just your perception of time that is slowing down. Learn to overcome that fear, do not give it energy (thought). This is your attachment to living, as even though you supposedly KNOW you wont die on DMT, when your breathing feels that way your brain is telling you otherwise.
When using DMT, use your heart not your head.
EDIT: I wanted to add... this was a little easier to overcome using this method as I had learned breathing techniques on accident when I was a young child. Laying in bed I would slow my breathing until it felt like I wasn't anymore, which would put me in a cool trance that I didnt understand (as I was like 8 yrs old). Don't know what caused me to do it but having done this before it was easier to try. So I suggest when sober lay in bed and slow your breathing down. It takes practice but as you slow your breathing your heart beat slows as well allowing you to not need to breath as deeply. Practice
oversoul1919
Rising Star
I like asking questions. And for me, the ignorance never was a bliss, and I've often wondered how can people be satisfied with it.
I'll accept this journey, and see what lies ahead next.
I'll accept this journey, and see what lies ahead next.
ricciricci
Rising Star
I went through that a little when I started astral projecting... cause it opens you up to so much... things that are so much bigger than anything... and sometimes after you sort of just find yourself there... feeling so small. As if you're still here but your mind is somewhere else. A better example is actually you're neither here nor there... kind of in-between the worlds I guess.darklordsson said:
So anyways, I originally was... and still am curious about how a DMT experience would differ from an astral projection (self induced, no drugs) in terms of the length of the experience and also your conscious awareness during the experience once you enter it. As in do you remember everything about yourself/what you were just doing once you enter the experience or do you feel like only certain parts of your memory are conscious? And also how much and how well can you recall everything once you come back. OK the biggest I want to know (and I'm sure this varies) is the level of haziness in your conscious awareness that DMT causes (if any). Forgive me I'm a noob and never smoked anything.
The reason I'm curious is that the haziness does alter your perception of the experience to a certain degree... for example if you see a dragon and you're not entirely conscious you could be like "okay cool... a dragon... let's be friends" where as if you were 100% conscious and you realized this dragon was standing with you right there in another dimension you might freak out and run. So the whole point of this post IS when I astral project the level of haziness in my consciousness is almost always slim to none.... and if with DMT it's any greater.... then I wouldn't be as interested in trying it.
DMT is funny in that one can feel quite sober/straight in some respects, and yet feel like they are somewhere else completely when they are in deep. Only via my single breakthrough experience did I forget I had consumed DMT, and lost contact with my body, bedroom and did not know whether my eyes were open or closed, it was full on teleportation at very fast speed through hyper real realities, the most amazing and in some respects terrifying thing that has ever happened to me. I'm very thankful for that experience though, it was an “eye/mind opener” that’s for damn sure. It is hard to recall much of the experiences a lot of the time, but you know I do think that's for the best, one can't live and operate in both this physical dimension and that one at the same time, so as you come down the mind folds back in on itself to conform to sober serotonin mode amnd you lose that DMT way of perceiving things...not remembering can be a blessing I think. DMT is not in any way "hazy"...I find it to be incredibly, hyper clear, vivid and crystalline in nature, the very opposite of hazy, personally.
If and when you get round to sampling DMT, it would be fascinating to hear about your experience and how it compared to your astral projection experiences. If anything, you may be better prepared for the DMT experience through your astral projection experiences as people with experience of both do say there a number of similarities between OBE take off and DMT blast off, and I know from experience that DMT is certainly capable of getting one out of body.
If and when you get round to sampling DMT, it would be fascinating to hear about your experience and how it compared to your astral projection experiences. If anything, you may be better prepared for the DMT experience through your astral projection experiences as people with experience of both do say there a number of similarities between OBE take off and DMT blast off, and I know from experience that DMT is certainly capable of getting one out of body.
Adjhart
Rising Star
Have we drifted if we are telling people not to try DMT before we even know about their 'set'?
We consider the 'set' most integral, right?
Why then, do we sometimes tell people not to try DMT before we know about the most important element of the trip, their 'headspace'?
Before I tried DMT I knew what to expect. And I was right.
I expected the unexpected.
We consider the 'set' most integral, right?
Why then, do we sometimes tell people not to try DMT before we know about the most important element of the trip, their 'headspace'?
Before I tried DMT I knew what to expect. And I was right.
I expected the unexpected.
Spindrift
Rising Star
I just read through this entire thread, and have to say it is one of the most valuable ones on the Nexus in my opinion. Thank you to everyone who posted, there are some incredibly wise and knowing insights and so many valuable ideas here. Having only smoked DMT once which was both incredibly beautiful and affirming but also terrifying and overwhelming, I only feel more certain that although this is a journey I am destined to make, I know nothing and must think, meditate and prepare myself hugely before trying again. I am deeply in gratitude to you all.
WanderingUniverse
Rising Star
Does anyone believe there is some people who are not able to handle DMT, if so what is your thought and if they cannot handle it does that mean they are not ready to move forward or they have been moulded at a young age to not be able to cope with it from their surroundings and environment as an adolescent