Advice wtd: Recommend a first psychedelic...

[Ac30f5pade5]

I don't know just how forgiving MDMA can be. Sheer terror and similar emotions may not accompany the trip like they do with so many of the other psychedelics, but the last time I took MDMA, I felt no euphoria at any point in the trip. I simply felt weird, and uncomfortable, and no matter how positive I stayed, I always wound up wishing it would end soon. One of my friends actually had a similar experience yesterday in fact.

Was it pure or was it rolls? You could have had some bad stuff in general. It's possible to do acetone washes on your Molly/rolls if you want to clean it up a bit.

I don't personally know anyone who has had more than one bad experience with it. I've rolled probably around 10 times, in a lot of completely different settings, and have never had a bad trip.

 

[camdemonium]

Pure MDMA or MDA is great, but i wouldn't consider it a classic psychedelic such as the tryptamines or other phenethylamines such as mescaline. However, my dog once took .3 of pure MDMA crystal, and was having hallucinations so vivid the dog thought someone had dosed him with LSD without telling him! Either way if you are in the proper environment with a steady mind and good friends, any of these drugs can be truly revelatory.

 

[Dream Weaver]

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[mandelbrot]

often times street mushrooms have been laced with acid

I wish! :lol:
But honestly, there is no reason for a dealer to put LSD in mushrooms. That would be a lose of money for the dealer.
As for "unwanted ingredients", I suppose there could be some inert filler added to powdered dust or capsules to make the dose seem larger.. but I would never buy mushrooms that were powdered or capped.


As for a first psychedelic, I chose mushrooms. They treated me just fine and gentle for a beginner.
I think it boils down to your external and internal settings. Whatever you choose, be at peace with yourself, and don't be somewhere that could potentially be overwhelming.
Good luck.

 

[Hermes]

I would always suggest mushrooms as a first psychedelic. 1 to 2 grams of dried psilocybe cubensis should do just fine for an initiate.

I've heard nice things about LSA but many seem disappointed with it, perhaps this is because they're not doing it correctly but I think ease of use should be factored into the consideration when choosing a drug for a beginner. LSD is obviously hard to come by for a lot of people so that's out of the question for most. And salvia although legal, just isn't anything like the true psychedelics so I wouldn't recommend it as a 'first psychedelic' in order not to mislead anybody into thinking it's comparable to the tryptamines.

There are of course many others which might be suitable for a beginner but I think mushrooms are the most suitable because of:

* availability
* ease of use
* good documentation, well known psychedelic with great support from internet communities
* classic psychedelic which provides a benchmark for other tryptamines
* synergises well with cannabis
* provides a good all round experience with introspection, spiritual/divine experiences, euphoria and simply fun
* delivers on naive expectations of pretty visuals (I too was guilty of this naivety, it's just a cultural thing..)

 

[Hermes]

Just realised how old this thread is but I guess it's useful for beginners looking for guidance so I'll continue to contribute.

Regarding beliefs derived from the psychedelic experience, I have seen and felt many things which during the trip I might have considered to be 'insights'. My stance on these types of insight is that they are better categorised as ideas. I am unwilling to form any solid beliefs based on my experiences with the psychedelics. I feel that this approach is a sensible one and commitment to it provides a form of protection against madness. Beliefs are the road to insanity.

As Robert Anton Wilson suggested, I think it's best to be in a state of extreme agnosticism about everything.

 

[Virola78]

I would always suggest mushrooms as a first psychedelic. 1 to 2 grams of dried psilocybe cubensis should do just fine for an initiate.

I've heard nice things about LSA but many seem disappointed with it, perhaps this is because they're not doing it correctly but I think ease of use should be factored into the consideration when choosing a drug for a beginner. LSD is obviously hard to come by for a lot of people so that's out of the question for most. And salvia although legal, just isn't anything like the true psychedelics so I wouldn't recommend it as a 'first psychedelic' in order not to mislead anybody into thinking it's comparable to the tryptamines.

There are of course many others which might be suitable for a beginner but I think mushrooms are the most suitable because of:

* availability
* ease of use
* good documentation, well known psychedelic with great support from internet communities
* classic psychedelic which provides a benchmark for other tryptamines
* synergises well with cannabis
* provides a good all round experience with introspection, spiritual/divine experiences, euphoria and simply fun
* delivers on naive expectations of pretty visuals (I too was guilty of this naivety, it's just a cultural thing..)

Hmmmm
Im a great fan of mushrooms, but isnt oral dmt a MUCH easier way to go about for the beginner?

pharma/aya (oral dmt) is:
- faster and easier (simple extraction vs growing mushrooms)
- cheaper (no need for much equipment)

 

[Hermes]

I would always suggest mushrooms as a first psychedelic. 1 to 2 grams of dried psilocybe cubensis should do just fine for an initiate.

I've heard nice things about LSA but many seem disappointed with it, perhaps this is because they're not doing it correctly but I think ease of use should be factored into the consideration when choosing a drug for a beginner. LSD is obviously hard to come by for a lot of people so that's out of the question for most. And salvia although legal, just isn't anything like the true psychedelics so I wouldn't recommend it as a 'first psychedelic' in order not to mislead anybody into thinking it's comparable to the tryptamines.

There are of course many others which might be suitable for a beginner but I think mushrooms are the most suitable because of:

* availability
* ease of use
* good documentation, well known psychedelic with great support from internet communities
* classic psychedelic which provides a benchmark for other tryptamines
* synergises well with cannabis
* provides a good all round experience with introspection, spiritual/divine experiences, euphoria and simply fun
* delivers on naive expectations of pretty visuals (I too was guilty of this naivety, it's just a cultural thing..)

Hmmmm
Im a great fan of mushrooms, but isnt oral dmt a MUCH easier way to go about for the beginner?

pharma/aya (oral dmt) is:
- faster and easier (simple extraction vs growing mushrooms)
- cheaper (no need for much equipment)

I haven't tried oral DMT but I know that vomiting is very common and the trip can be utter hell. My perception is that mushrooms are much gentler, however I know this is subjective and will readily be disputed.

I would suggest that buying mushrooms is cheaper and easier than getting hold of DMT. And finding mushrooms is cheaper still. Growing mushrooms does take a much longer time but it's almost as cheap and easy as an extraction. I know it's a shame to have to pay for mushrooms but lets face it, most peoples' first experience with psychedelics is with something they have purchased. Whether it be LSD, MDMA, ketamine, 2-CB or mushrooms, most people buy it before trying to make it themselves.

 

[ragabr]

I would suggest that buying mushrooms is cheaper and easier than getting hold of DMT. And finding mushrooms is cheaper still. Growing mushrooms does take a much longer time but it's almost as cheap and easy as an extraction. I know it's a shame to have to pay for mushrooms but lets face it, most peoples' first experience with psychedelics is with something they have purchased. Whether it be LSD, MDMA, ketamine, 2-CB or mushrooms, most people buy it before trying to make it themselves.

The Nexus has a strong stance against any engagement with the drug trade. Any suggestion that relies upon it would be completely inappropriate.

Edit:
Also, I cannot think of any reason that oral DMT would be more oriented towards a negative experience than mushrooms. The intensity of each follows dosage pretty well.

 

[Astralking]

often times street mushrooms have been laced with acid

erm.... what???

Mushrooms laced with acid?? I've never seen one source in my life to ever suggest that thats ever been done on anything more than a one off. I don't get why anyone would do that unless they were gonna take them themselves or sell them at a much higher price. If they are selling them at the same price as normal shrooms then they're making ALOT more work for themselves and loosing money?

 

[Hermes]

I would suggest that buying mushrooms is cheaper and easier than getting hold of DMT. And finding mushrooms is cheaper still. Growing mushrooms does take a much longer time but it's almost as cheap and easy as an extraction. I know it's a shame to have to pay for mushrooms but lets face it, most peoples' first experience with psychedelics is with something they have purchased. Whether it be LSD, MDMA, ketamine, 2-CB or mushrooms, most people buy it before trying to make it themselves.

The Nexus has a strong stance against any engagement with the drug trade. Any suggestion that relies upon it would be completely inappropriate.

I didn't mean to convey the message that buying drugs is OK. Regardless of your stance, my stance, or the stance of the nexus on the illegal drugs trade, the fact remains that people buy drugs. I do not recommend that anybody buys drugs, it's just a matter of fact that people do, and the availability of mushrooms goes to their advantage as a first psychedelic in my opinion. Obviously it's much better to grow or find your own once you're well informed.

 

[Dream Weaver]

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[Ayawasqero]

Pot.