Astral projection and dmt

[spiritual7pioneer]

I have been practicing astral projection on a very frequent basis.
Sometimes it can be spectacular, other times it can be terrifying; just like
DMT. This afternoon, I smoked a little bit of spice, did not really get there
at all. But when ever I ingest even the smallest amount, its almost as if it
fuels my third eye. So I lye there on my bed and I begin to enter astral projection.
My entire body becomes numb from my toes to my torso, to my face; and then I feel a
strong twitch near my left eye, and that is when I begin to see the visions.
I was in a grocery store, with a few friends and they were yelling at me. I could see,
feel, hear, I was there.
Then I realized, wait I'm not in a store. Where am I? I could not identify where my
body was. I didn't know my eyes were closed because the images were so vivid. I opened
my eyes and it was very difficult to do, I was very surprised to find that I was lying
on my bed. I could not believe it!
I would be interested to know if any of you nexus members have practiced astral
projection after being inspired by the spice?

 

[Tek]

Not specifically the spice, but it's close cousin psilocybin. Magic mushrooms enhance my dream life to such a degree that achieveing at least a lucid state after a strong trip is relatively easy. However, straight up controllable astral projection is a long time desire of mine which despite my frequent psychedelic use has not increased to any great degree.

The closest I've ever came was, surprisingly, the one time I shouldn't have been able to do it and that was the time I was in a white hot rage of anger. I'll save you the long version, but I actually got so upset with my own inability to astral project that one night I almost did it. I was lying in bed and so frustrated with myself that I swore at the universe and pretty much declared my dominance over it. I was just so angry that I told the universe that I'd burn a hole in time and space if I wasn't 'let out of this tiny box life reality!'. Well, oddly enough, my insides began to vibrate in a peculiar sort of way and I kept hearing this oscillating 'whom...whom...whom...whom'.

I've read the literature; I know that hearing weird noises is one of the first signs of achieving an out of body state, however my excitement at that time sort of snapped me out of it and I haven't been able to recreate the conditions that caused the episode in the first place. Apparently I'm a creature who is fueled by anger, but I also don't get angry that often! How paradoxical...

I'd be interested though, OP, in how you managed to perfect the technique to where you're confident in your ability to achieve it on the natch. I myself can only ever manage it on a psychedelic of some kind.

 

[spiritual7pioneer]

Well, I usually practice it before bed as this is a very calm, quiet time.
I lye down and put my arms by my side. I begin by inhaling long and slow through my nose,
and then once my lungs have filled to their limit, I exhale softly through my mouth and I
make sure that I get out all of the air I've inhaled. Whilst doing this, I subtlety think
about my day, but I try not to let the thoughts of my actions and experiences over flow my mind.
After about 5 minutes of this, I shorten my breathing to a much more regular pace and I begin to
use a mantra. My favorite, being "Hare Krishna.. Hare Krishna.. Krishna Krishna.. Hare Hare
Hare Rama.. Hare Rama.. Rama Rama.. Hare Hare."
It's very important to not move a muscle* lay
completely still, if you have an itch..simply ignore it and continue using your mantra.
It usually takes me just a few minutes before my entire body becomes numb, I still have human
consciousness, but the longer I do this; the more activity my 3rd eye generates. Sometimes I see
people, the other night I saw a lot of long boarding stuff. And a lot of these images can be
very dmt like at times. This does take time, and it can be very difficult to completely
let go. Many times you will find yourself being projected, and all it takes is a little
wrong brain activity or too much focus, and bam your back at square one.
One other thing I would like to add is that after I use my mantra, and I feel that
I am coming very close to full projection, I consult the universe, and ask it to "let me go,
I am ready to go".
If you have reached full projection, congratulations. Its a very amazing feeling and it can be
real fun!
I hope this all helps! Good luck.

 

[spiceitup]

How is astral projection different from a Wake Induced Lucid Dream? They seem pretty much the same with the same process of achieving the goal. I have only successfully achieved a WILD a few times, but I can certainly empathize with Tek's comment on losing it due to excitement of being successful. Is astral projecting a different experience?

 

[spiritual7pioneer]

The difference is that during a WILD, you are asleep and in a dream state.
During astral projection however, your spirit supposedly leaves your body.
Check this out, its some good information on the subject.

http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2159/pg1/index.html

http://www.everythingunderthemoon.net/astral-projection.htm

After doing some more reading, its quite possible that what happened
this afternoon was in fact a WILD. My main reason for coming to this
conclusion is that I was not really conscious as to how I got where I was,
I was unaware of my body, but my mind was still completely there.

 

[spiceitup]

The difference is that during a WILD, you are asleep and in a dream state.
During astral projection however, your spirit supposedly leaves your body.
Check this out, its some good information on the subject.

http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2159/pg1/index.html

http://www.everythingunderthemoon.net/astral-projection.htm

After doing some more reading, its quite possible that what happened
this afternoon was in fact a WILD. My main reason for coming to this
conclusion is that I was not really conscious as to how I got where I was,
I was unaware of my body, but my mind was still completely there.

Interesting, thanks for the info. It seems to me that WILD and Astral Projection are pretty much the same thing. The typical, most common lucid dream is when you are in a dream and suddenly realize you are dreaming. With a WILD, you are conscious through the whole process which seems just like an Astral Projection. It has the same induction techniques and the same sensations previous to the experience, so I am guessing they are more or less the same thing. The only difference I can think of is your mindset going into the experience...whether you are telling yourself that you want to enter the dream world or project your soul somewhere. Seems to me that this is the same thing, seeing as how in both cases your mind is taking you out of your body to another realm.

 

[Dragin]

It was actually my first few lucid dreams that inspired my hallucinogenic use that inspired my interest in...well all sorts of things. And I would classify lucid dreams and astral projection as essentially one in the same, or at least as having the same ways to achieve the state and the state coming from the same existence.

When I was lucid dreaming (and attempting to put myself in those states) years ago, I would do essentially exactly what spiritual7pioneer described. The first few times it happened, I awoke with such a start that I never progressed further. Eventually I started to achieve the state of lucid dreaming more frequently, but only once I realized I was manifesting it and I was almost able to stop myself from fleeing, before I knew "i" was fleeing the dream. Then I started to control them, but only slightly. And then life threw me off track and i got busy.

Now that i'm experience more of the truly spiritual side of things, I could see how lucid dreaming could be almost a primer on astral projection. While you achieve lucid dreaming through calmness initiated by the peace of the sleeping state, you can then apply those same 'physics' to your meditative attempts at controlling Astral Projections.

and TEK.... When i hear the description of your mental state upon almost achieving your goal; the thought comes to me that maybe you almost achieved it at that time because you were in a righteous rage and uttered truths you only fully believed at the time, but still possibly doubt in the smallest amounts in your heart. I have similar problems (having a far to rational mind) and am still trying to bring unity to what I've learned.

 

[spiritual7pioneer]

There is an easy way to fix your doubts.. SMOALK MOAR