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Bufotenine Extraction

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so SWIM has some questions for you...how much vinegar did you use and how much water...how long did you boil it..and did you have to add more water and vinegar? what did you use to basify? calcium hydroxide or sodium carbonate? and SWIM is guessing that you evaporated the water after you basified it right? and then how much d-limonene did you use? and lastly how did you vaporize it? did you just stick it in a pipe and torch it..or did you make some sort of vaporizer for it?

thanks..
 
Sorry, but SWIM tells me he doesn't have all the info you need. This was just a trial run, so all he can give you is approximates. He did evaporate after basifying.

Quantity of Seed: 2.2 g
Volume of water: ~100 mL (he did it in a 100 mL beaker, so this is probably close)
Volume of vinegar: a generous sized splash
Basifying agent: Sodium Carbonate
Quantity of BA: No idea, sorry. a small amount.
Volume of limonene: ~20 mL (this also is pretty accurate, or at least as accurate as the markings on the beaker are, he suspects that that volume of limonene is FAR excessive, but any less would've been difficult to work with).

He vaporized in a test tube with a thin glass tube acting as the inhalation tube.

Other notes:
1) After evapping the water, he got a a very pretty brown, dry, residue which when scraped up readily powdered. This contradicts what Garulfo got, so SWIM is curious what the difference was.
2) He first toasted his seeds till they popped, mainly because it makes it easier to grind. SWIM doesn't have a grinder, so he had to grind them manually.
 
If it does, Dagger, the credit's entirely to you. SWIM tells me he got his inspiration from your post earlier in this thread.

Also, SWIM would GREATLY appreciate if someone could definitively tell him whether or not sodium bufotenate is a stable salt.
 
Dagger said:
Does anyone remove the seed coat when extracting bufotenine? I know many use to pop their seeds in a pan, then remove the seed coat.

Oh God no...oh the pain of doing that to every seed in 100 grams. If someone is doing that, they must have tons of free time.
 
Oh God no...oh the pain of doing that to every seed in 100 grams. If someone is doing that, they must have tons of free time.
Well, supposedly you pop the seeds in a pan and it should make the removal easier. But if there is no point to it, I won't do it. Anyone know if the seed coats contains any actives?
 
SpasticSpaz, did you do just one limonene boils or several? If you try again, could you try heating the seeds in an oven at 500F for 30 minutes to see if that makes any difference.

Can't wait to try this myself. Just waiting on my scale and the orange oil.
 
Just got my cebil seeds. Fist thing i did was put half a hand full in a pan and popped them all, then put them in a bag and hit them with a hammer untill powdered and smoked a it. I loaded up about a gram (assuming a 2% bufo that would be a 20 mg dose) in to my steam roller to see if it was active, and boy are they! It did have a slight effect on my mind but not very strong. I could concentrate rather easily and was extremely relaxed. I just need some D-limonene and I think I am going to try the peppermint oil with 20 grams off seeds maybe.
 
SpasticSpaz, how did you remove the sodium carbonate since you did not use acetone? Is it soluble in d-limonene?

I'd love to hear a more detailed explanation of your method. Amounts of material used is not that important, just as long as I get all the steps.
 
Here it is exactly as SWIM tells me he did it. It's an A/B with drying in between the A and the B and the magic of the d-limonene boil (I suppose "simmer" would be more accurate).

1. Toast seeds till they all pop.
2. Grind to a coarse powder.
3. Add seed powder to water.
4. Add some vinegar.
5. Bring water to a boil briefly. Let cool down back to room temperature.
6. Strain out seed matter.
7. Add sodium carbonate (or calcium hydroxide? It'd probably also work) to resultant clear orange-brown liquid. Liquid darkens slightly.
8. Evap on stove's lowest heat setting (SWIM tells me he didn't quite let it boil, probably ~200 F).
9. Stick in oven @ 250 F for ~15-20 minutes to make sure it's completely dry.
10. Scrape up into powder.
11. Heat in d-limonene till the limonene starts to simmer.
12. Decant limonene quickyl and let cool.
13. Decant limonene from solids that fall out when it cools.
14. Repeat 11-13 one more time with same limonene.
15. :d

I guess at step 9 one could crank the temp up to 500 and leave it there for maybe a bit longer. I don't think it'd make a difference at the scale SWIM did the last extraction, but it could for a proper full scale extraction. SWIM tells me he didn't bother removing the sodium carbonate as he severely doubts it's at all soluble in d-limonene. He also strongly suspects that it'd be OK to use most kinds of acids to acidify, as most of them should also be insoluble in d-limonene. Neither me nor SWIM knows for certain without testing directly. Also, as mentioned previously, SWIM suspects one could basify at the beginning (at step 4, instead of the acid) to remove a step. (Both of those are part of a loooong list of tests SWIM wants to do that'll have to wait till he gets some more seeds and some more free time).
 
Thanks!

SpasticSpaz said:
11. Heat in d-limonene till the limonene starts to simmer.
12. Decant limonene quickyl and let cool.
13. Decant limonene from solids that fall out when it cools.
14. Repeat 11-13 one more time with same limonene.
Are you reusing the same limonene? Do you add it back to the original leftovers that still may have some bufotenine in it? Do you further purify the bufotenine that has precipitated?
 
SpasticSpaz said:
SWIM tried again this morning, this time with acidified water (he used some vinegar). He then took the result from that and did a limonene boil on it. The result from 10 seeds (2.2g), was ~40 mg of pale tan powder, seemed somewhat less fluffy than his DMT. He bioassayed 15mg of that and HOLY F-ING CRAP. It was difficult to make out reality because everything was sliding and patterning and morphing. Things were forming in the space in front of SWIM and three hours later there's still traces of patterns. None of SWIM's previous extractions came even close to this, the d-Limonene step seems almost magical to him. Not very euphoric, more calming, peaceful. No nausea was noted, though SWIM's face prickled intensely (almost painfully) through the come up (Is this still the toxic alkaloids, or is this part of bufo?).

Yeah! That’s bufotenine. If you take a big hit all at once, there’s a strong tingling felt, almost a prickling feeling, it starts usually in the back of the head and then spreads and becomes more pleasant as it spreads. It’s a side effect of bufotenine and not the toxins. The toxins cause nausea and a general sick feeling. The strong bufotenine tingling fades to a pleasant tingling after a minute right before the visuals start usually. If you’ve ever taken too much vitamin B3 (niacin), the effect is sort of like that for a minute or so, but not as intense as B3.

I’ve got to say that SWIM loves the visual effects from bufotenine more than anything else. Note that if you smoke 30 mg, the tingling is the same, not stronger. At that dose the visuals are super intense. With the eyes closed you have journeys in the mind that are awesome and without the intense “mind fuck” of the other hallucinogens. At least that’s how it is for SWIM.

Did you get any auditory hallucinogenic effects? SWIM almost always does.
 
Just tried out SpasticSpaz method with 5 gram of seeds.

A lot of fluffy material is now settling in the orange oil. One question. Is it better to use a large surface area for the bufotenine to settle in? Would this make it stick to the bottom making decanting the orange oil easy? I am worried that since I am using a small glass, when I start decanting, a lot of the bufotenine will come pouring out as well.
 
try using a coffee filter or something to catch it...SWIM spilled some on his pant leg once..and the bufo stayed right on top
 
SpasticSpaz said:
Here it is exactly as SWIM tells me he did it. It's an A/B with drying in between the A and the B and the magic of the d-limonene boil (I suppose "simmer" would be more accurate).
This looks nice. SWIM just has some quick n00b questions...

How does one decant the limonene in this tek, and decant in general?

The finished result has to be smoked, right? Can SWIM smoke the finished result simply in a rolling paper? Perhaps with some added crushed mullein tea leaves? ...SWIM doesn't own a pipe and would benefit from a way to smoke it without one ;)
 
mapp said:
The finished result has to be smoked, right?

Smoked, snorted, taken sublingually, rectally, but NOT ORALLY. It works orally but is unpleasant (lots of nausea).

mapp said:
Can SWIM smoke the finished result simply in a rolling paper? Perhaps with some added crushed mullein tea leaves? ...SWIM doesn't own a pipe and would benefit from a way to smoke it without one ;)

Yes you can smoke it that way and it's quite pleasant like that. Taking a large hit maximizes the potency but also is not as pleasant as a bunch of smaller tokes taken in succession. In that way it’s very unlike DMT. With DMT you need to smoke it all in a matter of a few minutes or it doesn’t work well. That’s why you don’t see many people making DMT cigarettes. But bufotenine cigarettes are quite effective. You can dissolve some freebase bufotenine in a little acetone and put some herb in it to absorb it. Len it dry, roll a cigarette and you’re good to go. You can even take some pre-rolled cigarettes and drop some concentrated hot acetone/bufotenine mix on it and let it soak into the cigarette. I’ve seen this before in Japan. The cigarettes look like normal cigarettes, so people have no idea you’re smoking bufotenine. Even the police would be totally clueless.
 
Oooh, I like that idea!!

I just ordered what I thought was going to be a small amount of Mullein, they sent me a 1/2 pound!!
So I'm thinkin' a 50/50 mix of Mullein/MJ & 20-25mg of Bufo infused with acetone.

69ron, I saw in another thread where you mentioned recrystallizing Bufoteine in acetone, could elaborate on that?
I found smoking my first Bufo extraction to be kind of hard to smoke, so I'm wanting to clean it up pretty good.

Thanks!

WS
 
It needs to already be relatively pure before it can be crystallized in acetone, so it's not a good purification step. What you do is dissolve 5 grams of bufotenine in 100 ml of acetone and let it evaporate at room temperature. It forms beautiful small white crystals, about the size of a pea, but only if it’s already relatively pure, otherwise no crystals form.
 
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