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After a post with another swim, I thought I’d start a thread on this.

Basically swim has experimented with the spice quite a lot now, and has achieved some pretty amazing breakthroughs, especially with a good dose of rue, however it has an unwanted paranoia inducing side effect in the following days. For someone who never had a come down and still has a very quick recovery time from everything ever taken and experienced, it’s a little weird…

So from another post someone mentioned that Caapi was much better and is more of an upper, and the following days you feel far more uplifted and great, so that sounds the way to go, seeing as rue isn’t worth its after effects, atleast for swim…

So their reply was:
Depending on strength;
White caapi between 20 and 40 grams dependant on supplier and quality
Preparation 3 cooks, using some acid (vinegar, phosphoric, HCL) for 2-3 hours each. Vinegar boils off, so that is usually the preferred acid to use. It's similar the acid cooks for mimosa. Grind the vine up as much as you can (pound the heck out of it first to break it up a bit) and start cooking. You really can't hurt the harmine alkaloids by over cooking or boiling, but I usually keep my cooks to a low simmer. After the three cooks you want to reduce the amount of liquid down to a drinkable dosage (a shot glass per dose).

So two questions,
Any other recommendations/teks on using caapi although the above is workable enough, but it’s always good to hear other views?

It was also mentioned that Caapi is great medicine in micro doses, so not to achieve an MAOI effect, How much could be a micro dose, couple of drops of the above tek when finished?

Cheers… :)
 
A micro dose for me is about 2-3 grams. Drinking the unreduced Caapi is actually quite pleasant. Maybe a shot glass of unreduced would be a micro doseage. A shot glass when fully reduced is going to be full MAO inhibition.

Also another easier method for microdosing is to just chew up bits of the caapi vine until a small "buzz" it felt. Usually only a gram or two is needed with this method. Don't swallow the vine, only the juice that comes out. You can also quid it (again swallowing the juice and chewing on occasion).

Good preparation teks for vine only (or full aya) can be found here:
http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb


But you need to register to be able to view the preparation subforum.

I'm all about Caapi over rue, I think rue can be very hard on the system, even in tea form, and esp. with long term use. There are proven antidepressent affects from Caapi+dmt usage.

Also, Caapi while more expensive is a much different experience and much gentler on the system. It is also a much better guide through spice-space, imho.

Anyone else have good methods for Caapi brewing? Anyone?
 
I brew the cappi in 3 litres of distilled water and 90ml of cider vinegar. Due to bad techniques in the past and bad quality vines ill do like 5 or 6 brews for 2-3 hours. Some of them I boil hard while others ill brew slowly just to make sure. Finally got some decent white vine and thats how Ive done it. I do the same with all my plants just to make sure. Also soak them for 48 hours tho watch because the cappi can go moldy pretty quickly.
 
There has been a thread over at the aya forum about a cold prep.

They are taking a 2 liter soda bottle cutting off the top, plugging up the small hole with cotton and using it to do a percolate type extraction (think coffe maker except cold water and powdered cappi). They recycle the water through the top funnel filter a few times and get a decent unreduced Caapi brew. Perfect for microdosing or boiling down to get a reduced aya dose. Also the unreduced brew is supposed to taste a little like cinnimon. I haven't tried this method, so I can't vouch for it.
 
acolon_5 said:
They recycle the water through the top funnel filter a few times and get a decent unreduced Caapi brew.
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Never heard that you get a decent unreduced caapi brew from sending water through it several times. Anyone post that on the aya forum? I know that if you add like 200 gram of powdered caapi to this setup and send water through it, you can get some nice potent doses without reducing. Not sure if sending it through several times will help any though. Just send through like 400 ml, and you will get some nice bitter caapi tea. Oh, and don't drink the whole 200 g/400 ml, that might be potent :)

A ratio of 1 g caapi to 150 ml water(~60-65C) or more is good for efficient extraction.

Hopefully, I will get a sticky on the aya forum soon, with diagrams on how to do it, without reading 16 pages :lol:
 
Dagger said:
acolon_5 said:
They recycle the water through the top funnel filter a few times and get a decent unreduced Caapi brew.
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Never heard that you get a decent unreduced caapi brew from sending water through it several times. Anyone post that on the aya forum? I know that if you add like 200 gram of powdered caapi to this setup and send water through it, you can get some nice potent doses without reducing. Not sure if sending it through several times will help any though. Just send through like 400 ml, and you will get some nice bitter caapi tea. Oh, and don't drink the whole 200 g/400 ml, that might be potent :)

A ratio of 1 g caapi to 150 ml water(~60-65C) or more is good for efficient extraction.

Hopefully, I will get a sticky on the aya forum soon, with diagrams on how to do it, without reading 16 pages :lol:
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Sorry, I misunderstood the tek.
 
I have only tried MAOI with S.Rue.
I enjoyed the effects very much!!
Although it does make my body feel a little jittery as the effects of the DMT are fading away.
I didn't get much, if any side effects from it, except a light headache in the base of my neck for a day or two after, I'm not sure that has anything to do with the tea though.
I am planing on getting some Cappi soon, I heard a lot about it being a mellower, kinder, experience. More of a bond than just an inhibition of an enzyme.

So I've been looking around at the different vender's and some of them offer different types of Cappi.
Can any of you chaps with some experience with the vine explain any differences between White, Yellow, Red & Black Cappi vine?
Are there any differences?
Do you have any preferences of one over the other?

One vendor I've found offers Cappi extracts, something about that rubs me the wrong way.
Does anyone have experience with this, purchased or home made?

I plan to make a Cappi tea to take with smoked DMT first, to get to know the effects.
But the long term plan is to take a camping trip up to the mountains for a few days, before the end of the fall and simmer up a classic Ayauasca brew.
I was planning on using Cappi vine & Chacruna, I would love to hear some opinion on which plants are preferred too!! Mimosa, Chacruna, Chaliponga etc...?
I have read that Cappi & Chacruna are "classic" Ayauasca, so that is my current plan.

Sorry if I kind of hijacked this thread!:oops:

Thanks!!

WS
 
warrensaged said:
So I've been looking around at the different vender's and some of them offer different types of Cappi.
Can any of you chaps with some experience with the vine explain any differences between White, Yellow, Red & Black Cappi vine?
Are there any differences?
Do you have any preferences of one over the other?
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White is usually a little stronger than yellow. Black is a wash, some of it is very strong, but most of it on the market is very weak, plus you don't want the strong black caapi, strong purge, strong body effects...too much. I haven't tried the red caapi, so I can't comment on it.

One vendor I've found offers Cappi extracts, something about that rubs me the wrong way.
Does anyone have experience with this, purchased or home made?
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Rubs me the wrong way too, I've read a couple of reports that describe it as similar, but not as good as caapi (hollow even), others say is it vile stuff. I'm sticking with my brew, thank you!

I was planning on using Cappi vine & Chacruna, I would love to hear some opinion on which plants are preferred too!! Mimosa, Chacruna, Chaliponga etc...?
I have read that Cappi & Chacruna are "classic" Ayauasca, so that is my current plan.
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Chacruna is very hit or miss, but can give a "clean" experience. Mimosa can get VERY weird, and is not all that gentle...If I'm gonna do mimosa I'll take it with rue, they seem to go better together. Chali is my choice, certian vendors carry a high quality, consistantly strong Chali. 12-20grams for a mind blowing cerimony. It is more umm, electric? The differences between chali and chacruna are hard to describe and are subtle (which is why I dispute claims that chali is high in 5-meo-dmt)
 
Thanks a lot for the info acolon_5!!

Good to know about the Cappi extract, although it sounded wrong, trying it out was bouncing around in my head a bit.
Not anymore.

I have never felt queasy at all when drinking a S Rue tea before smoking spice.
Is there any purging involved when drinking Cappi tea and smoking DMT?
Or is that just when drinking true Ayauasca?

Thanks again!!

WS
 
I've only once had a white caapi brew and I just boiled it for I think 7-8 hours and didn't add any vinegar or nothing too it. It made me a bit nauseous but no purging happened. It was from only 20gr. of caapi. Some people said I should try 50gr. first but others said 20 or so and I decided to go for a low doze. And I think it was a good idea.

I felt very good the next days and I'm doing this soon again. I've been living in a place now for some months that doesn't give me an opportunity to do any experiments but I'm moving back to my apartment in a month or two.
Then I'm going to do some caapi experiments to get to know the vine and then I'm going for caapi+DMT.
 
warrensaged said:
So I've been looking around at the different vender's and some of them offer different types of Cappi.
Can any of you chaps with some experience with the vine explain any differences between White, Yellow, Red & Black Cappi vine?
Are there any differences?
Do you have any preferences of one over the other?
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I wouldn't worry too much about colour. The most used ones are yellow/ourinhos and white. If you want some potent caapi, get the white shredded caapi from maya. With the cold extraction tech and lots of heated water, 11g is almost too much. Inhibition around 6-7 gram.
 
Dagger said:
warrensaged said:
So I've been looking around at the different vender's and some of them offer different types of Cappi.
Can any of you chaps with some experience with the vine explain any differences between White, Yellow, Red & Black Cappi vine?
Are there any differences?
Do you have any preferences of one over the other?
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I wouldn't worry too much about colour. The most used ones are yellow/ourinhos and white. If you want some potent caapi, get the white shredded caapi from maya. With the cold extraction tech and lots of heated water, 11g is almost too much. Inhibition around 6-7 gram.
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Wow, now that is some potent Caapi! Is their Chali still as good as it was a few months ago? What can you tell me about their Chacurna. The last batch of hawiian I got from them was decent at 60grams.
 
When you've taken Caapi, your body responds diffently to DMT then when you didn't take it. But i don't know to wich extend this goes for smoked DMT as well. When you take mimosa, it even tastes different after you've taken an MAOI. Without it, it doesn't taste horrible, it doesn't taste that bad at all. When i've taken rue or caapi, it starts to taste like-i-know-i'm-going-to-throw-up...bleghh.
 
Ive smoked some dmt on 50g's of white vine from maya. Quite a low dose though, and it was very slow and kept going up, was a nice experience. Id love to klnow what it is you do dagger to get such great effects from their shredded white vine, ive been taking 100grams for a strong cappi dose of white. Forgive my idiocy please but I soak say 500g of white in 3litres of water with 90ml of cider vinegar and reduce and filter and repeat 4 or 5 times usually just to make sure, or maybe just some washes at the end, is this a cold water extraction?? Id love a link to this tek your on about as that would save a fortune, going to order some cappi this week as well, cheers.
 
After 5 minutes of searching I found your posts dagger :oops: Forgive me, I did say I was an idiot lol definately going to try that out, ordering some white and yellow tomorrow! :d
 
Infinite I said:
ordering some white and yellow tomorrow!
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Remember to get *White* vine (4) shredded. Not the one numbered 33. Getting it shredded, makes for a much easier preparation, and caapi don't really lose any potency when shredded imho.
 
Cheers man thats what ive bought the last two times the shredded, was always paranoid of shredded, but the white ive got has been strong so going to stick with it, going to get some yellow as ive only had the white happening for me. Definately going to try the cold water extraction, that could save a fortune!:shock: :d
 
Infinite I said:
Definately going to try the cold water extraction, that could save a fortune!:shock: :d
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Remember to use alot of water, a ratio of 1:150 is fine, but last time I did a ratio of 1:235, extracting perhaps 20% more. It doesn't seem like you only need a certain amount of water to extract all. Always seems to be more there, although less and less is extracted the more water you use. I think it helps to use somewhat warm water. 60-65C is what I use(faucet water)
 
Thanks for the tips just been going through the thread on aya.com just now, been doing it all day and night im very excited about this, just as im going to order some vine, perfect timing! :d Cant beleive this thread was months ago I didnt see it as I rarely log in and you have to to see the the preperation section! Im really excited! Great work mate! Ill let you know how we go :d
 
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