Coma and Evolution

[complacentnation]

Spice obviously creates more questions than answers. I know not to question a lot of the experiences. Are the entities real? In my opinion, they are. Awakening in their realm, they are as real as anything.

But one question I want an answer to is the journey of spice evolving with us? For instance, when people two thousand or three thousand years ago took aya, did they see the same technological objects? I want to believe that they did and that has largely had an impact on technological innovation, that it is built into DNA, that we will arrive at these conclusions over time, that it has already been programmed.

I would not disagree though that this experience evolves with our advances and that our subconscious is continually changing and so is our experience with spice. Hopefully someone out there is better versed in this.

Also, has anyone ever been in a coma and felt this experience? I was in a coma for two days when I was 3 years old and I swear that I have been in these places before but there is no real way to tell. My parents said I completely changed after my coma... for the better.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Praxis.]

I've often wondered the same thing regarding technology and visions. I occasionally see great complex machines on my journeys and I wonder if perhaps in the ancient world seekers once saw what we consider to be modern technology in their journeys.

I'm also prone to believe that these entities do exist inherently in some form or dimension, but in the same way your ego does, or psychological archetypes. They might not be "real" in the conventional sense of the word, but you could say the same thing about the entire psychedelic experience. I don't think that they could be considered any less real than your sense of self and identity--they are a product of your mind, and your experience of them was real. But regardless, even if they do just exist in your mind, they are an extension/manifestation of reality simply by that.

Just my take on things though. I wouldn't take anything I say too seriously :roll:

EDIT: I've also realized on a lot of my trips that technology is not separate from nature and not entirely 'our' doing. Technology is an extension of nature, and ultimately everything comes from the earth, comes from nature (which is universal in scale, not just limited to our planet). So I wonder what kind of questions could be asked from looking at evolution and life through technological innovations over history??

My take on it is that an inherent quality of life is evolution, and everything evolves. Virtually everything in existence has that life force within it that fuels change and adaptation. And really think about it, it's not just animals and plants that evolve. Technology evolves for sure, that's a given and you don't have to look very far back in history to see for yourself. Language evolves and adapts over time and location, philosophies evolve, governments evolve, even your own thoughts and sense of identity changes and adapts over time. It doesn't have to be physical or obvious, everything in every form and dimension goes through adaptation and change; the universe is in a constant state of flux. From this perspective, is it not safe to say that subjective experience changes over time? I'm sure we perceive the world much differently than our early hominid ancestors. With this line of thinking as my basis, I would think it's more than safe to say that the psychedelic experience may have been somewhat different (in this regard) thousands of years ago from what voyagers experience today.

 

[complacentnation]

It is difficult and I find the Nexus difficult as well. I appreciate the want and need for scientific fact, but we should cut to the chase.

There is probably no way to know about any of this scientifically. Spice literally transformed my thoughts on afterlife. I am not convinced that we go to these realms when we die but I know there is so much more out there.

I just can not fathom that when I awake with very vivid and real entities and I live in their realm for what seems to be a long time that they are just a figment of my imagination. Having reality completely replaced like that. It is unfathomable. They must exist somewhere in this vast multidimensional universe. This is their party line. I am not a raver, but these women, male things... they seem like the ravers of the intergalactic. They live on some socialist UFO where they party and divulge information. It just is not something I would want or could imagine, though, I absolutely love them and their games and experiences. My approach to the entities is that they must be real. Our brain is a powerful instrument... I would rather not write these experiences off as just a product of synchronized brain activity. I would rather say that our brains were made billions of years ago by these creatures. There is obviously no way to prove that though, heh heh.

 

[Global]

I think people thousands of years ago would have seen the same technological things as well, and the reason I think this is because there is a good deal of technology that completely supersedes any category of technology we have today. We have no words for some of that technology in the same way that our ancestors would have no words for cogs and gears. Those are just some of the labels that we've managed to attach to some of this hyperspatial technology. For this reason, I think it could be very possible that our ancestors saw the same things, but with no words or labels, or very foreign or metaphorical labels, it would be very difficult to discern what they saw especially based on predominantly oral traditions. It is interesting to ponder though.