Here&Now
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Right, I think it's the most difficult line for people into esoteria to walk. The mysterious nature of the exploration makes it too easy to get pulled into beliefs that are likely not real.
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Considerations with Regards to Attunement of Consciousness and Experience of Esoteric Phenomena
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Suspension of judgment is arguably more rigorous... arguably, as a skeptic, I ain't making a definitive claim regarding that
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I didn't want to go into it, but you kinda brought it up, and we'll revisit, but we can't neglect all that is entailed in the interpretive mode, regardless of paradigm. Many don't have the wherewithal to really do it well. For example, many people need an answer, and preferably a singular answer, despite what may be shown otherwise in reality.
We try to force reality to be the way we want it to be. I bunch of goofy monkeys trying to fit square pegs into circular holes.
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Did void actually say that somewhere?!? Hilarious."True skepticism is being skeptical of being skeptical."
~The VoidMeister
Yeah!
İt's natural for all of us to have our baseline "home reality." Without an exception, none of these home realities encompass the entirety (or even a small fraction of) actual Reality, but it is necessary and healthy. Expanding it slowly with grounded steps is natural. And in which directions it expands is also unique to everybody.
İnevitably there are boxes of "impossible/fake" and "real." There can be a third box of "I don't know" which is healthy to have. There is a sweet spot between rigidity and mutability for all of these boxes. A fine line, like @Here&Now said, probably corresponding to a certain combination of brainwaves and the neural networks that are conducive to it.
Our life experiences, our backgrounds inevitably play a huge role in our realities... My father is a world renowned scientist with an ancestral background of a primitive nature based culture. My mother comes from a Sufi lineage. I just recently became aware that these things played a huge role in shaping my reality, even when my parents never intended to impose any beliefs on me.
İnevitably there are boxes of "impossible/fake" and "real." There can be a third box of "I don't know" which is healthy to have. There is a sweet spot between rigidity and mutability for all of these boxes. A fine line, like @Here&Now said, probably corresponding to a certain combination of brainwaves and the neural networks that are conducive to it.
Our life experiences, our backgrounds inevitably play a huge role in our realities... My father is a world renowned scientist with an ancestral background of a primitive nature based culture. My mother comes from a Sufi lineage. I just recently became aware that these things played a huge role in shaping my reality, even when my parents never intended to impose any beliefs on me.
As a byproduct of the African diaspora, some of that information I'll never have. The influences will simply be there with no tag.
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A book that I have wanted to read but couldn't get to yet is "Overtones and Undercurrents" by Ralph Metzner...
I think ima check that out. Thank you.
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There's also a dependency with the environment of the radio. If the receiver device is part of an NMR machine, it probably won't be receiving light classics.
What is real? Maybe our believes that gravity exists is more real, so real that every atom in the universe believes it to be true. But maybe some other atom can think the exact same way about acu puncture and his body reacts in a way that is super healing but not scientifically explainable. Thats the power of believe.
Unfortunatly there is no room in this world for a continues suspendment of judgement, we are bound by the rules of 'this' universe. Somehow someway we are all disciples of discipline. MEaning, as long as you are alive your heart beats and your brain thinks and your legs walk, thats a commitment that comes with some believes of us being human(?)
I mean unless you are an atheist we all transcend or descend during life but also after death (?)
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There is this story about a WWII soldier lost in the woods of japan, he lost contact with his battalion and had no communication with the outside world but he was observing. So the war ended, however this soldier still believed he was in a war and was just surviving in the woods. Believing that if he would make contact with the villagers then the army would come and capture him...
He lived like this for a few decades when he no longer could sustain his believes he surrenderd and so discovered the truth.. it was all in his head!
-The end-[/I]
In Vedanta, they usually say that this world is an illusion or a dream. I always disliked that idea, because the whole of existence loses its value.
Some like to interpret it as meaning that they can do whatever they want or dream up a reality they like. However, Vedanta says that the world is like a dream; it never said that it was your dream. You are just one more character who thinks that he is the center of the universe. The Dreamer is One, and he dreams a world and the beings inhabiting it. We are free to question our reality, and consequently ourselves, at any time. Upon investigation, we find that there is a deeper, underlying reality to everything - the Dreamer. A wave merges back with the ocean and becomes one. It was never separate from it, though. All of it was an illusion. That was the experience of countless saints who realized the Truth.
Where am I leading with this? We can create lots of theories about the dream and how it functions. It is all going to feel real and substantial. Although, someday the play will tire you, and you will ask, "What is it all about, for real?" The first honest question with sufficient force could penetrate the illusion and show the light behind it.
Was it even your question if you yourself are just one more character?
Until that day, we play our roles and take it all for real. There may be countless radios, but the force that makes them work is One. No matter how we see things, there is no escaping our own subjectivity. May all be well!
Some like to interpret it as meaning that they can do whatever they want or dream up a reality they like. However, Vedanta says that the world is like a dream; it never said that it was your dream. You are just one more character who thinks that he is the center of the universe. The Dreamer is One, and he dreams a world and the beings inhabiting it. We are free to question our reality, and consequently ourselves, at any time. Upon investigation, we find that there is a deeper, underlying reality to everything - the Dreamer. A wave merges back with the ocean and becomes one. It was never separate from it, though. All of it was an illusion. That was the experience of countless saints who realized the Truth.
Where am I leading with this? We can create lots of theories about the dream and how it functions. It is all going to feel real and substantial. Although, someday the play will tire you, and you will ask, "What is it all about, for real?" The first honest question with sufficient force could penetrate the illusion and show the light behind it.
Was it even your question if you yourself are just one more character?
Until that day, we play our roles and take it all for real. There may be countless radios, but the force that makes them work is One. No matter how we see things, there is no escaping our own subjectivity. May all be well!
Here&Now
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Just to clarify, I think qi (and by extension, probably acupuncture) is real in the literal sense. I also think the unified field that @northape brushed upon is an actual fact of existence rather than a hallucinatory fever dream of the mystic and psychedelic user. So I guess it may be a little hypocritical when I talk about people going potentially too far with their beliefs as to what's real, lol.
Who determines what is too far? İf we are mature enough, we can make that judgment for ourselves, and nobody else can tell us what is too far for ourselves. I share the "far out" beliefs you have, @Here&Now. There are tons of people for which they would really be far out to believe. Not as in plainly exceeding their worldviews, but because it's just not appropriate for them to believe in these things. No need to question it or dig into the specifics of people's paradigms and necessities (Im currently struggling to find better words, sorry for that). For me, believing in Annunakis being aliens would be too far out. Or believing in a kingdom of God coming (soon or not) and humanity living happily ever after after that threshold would be too far out (I have been preached at by some Jehovah's witnesses recently...). Etc.
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The basis is always baseless...
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Somebody is invoking the kraken
The matrix is always maîtreless?
It's made up by me out of the French word with an English suffix, but yes
I feel all warm and fuzzy and special!It's made up by me out of the French word with an English suffix, but yes
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Apart from beliefs in phenomena outside the context of our lives, another important and related topic is the beliefs we have about ourselves and our lives. These consist of the boxes "İ can do that," "I can never do that," "I am ...," "I am not...," and some gray boxes like "maybe one day I can do that / become like that..." İn fact, this domain (the context of our own lives and existence) takes precedence in medicine work, over transforming our beliefs on impersonal phenomena. The boost in neuroplasticity foremost is to make our belief system regarding ourselves and our lives healthier and more in line with reality, IMHO.
