TEK Converting CBD to THC using only Zeolite and heat.

[marshallcooper]

I'm not convinced that this will be effective.

You can simply shine a bright flashlight at the end-product to become aware of the amount of zeolite in it, my own results clearly show that simple filters and decanting are not fully effective in removing the zeolite.

It's best practice to only take it orally if you cannot filter all of it. Your lungs are a very precious organ after all.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

it's more to try to use less solvent. I need 1L for 100g with my current decantation method.

In this video at 8:00

the guy does it with a 2.5um filter paper but he accelerates and cut the video so I'm afraid it took him an exageratly long time. And the buchner 200mm is $300 and 100 paper filters are $100 so I wouldn't like to invest that to have a slow process.

 

[Orion]

My second batch changed from a pinkish oil to a yellow one. I converted the CBD at lower temps than the first batch and it did reduce to an orange-pink oil after the solvent was gone. Now it's a very pale yellow after sitting around for a couple of weeks.

 

[Flufferus]

My second batch changed from a pinkish oil to a yellow one. I converted the CBD at lower temps than the first batch and it did reduce to an orange-pink oil after the solvent was gone. Now it's a very pale yellow after sitting around for a couple of weeks.

abit of minor oxidation ide guess at

 

[opkolapio]

My second batch changed from a pinkish oil to a yellow one. I converted the CBD at lower temps than the first batch and it did reduce to an orange-pink oil after the solvent was gone. Now it's a very pale yellow after sitting around for a couple of weeks.

what solvent did you use and how did you get rid of the zeolite?

 

[Transform]

what solvent did you use and how did you get rid of the zeolite?

Finally got around to giving this a go.

Instead of rolling it into a ball I used a series of careful folds in the foil so the end result was like a tightly wrapped flat envelope. I used baking paper for the first inner parcel as I heard it would make removing the resin easier. The result was grayish brown like hash but sticky like resin.

I think my paper was too brittle so I simply broke up the parcel and dissolved the resin into a jar of hexane. The zeolite powder settles very quickly in this solvent.

To filter I just used a small funnel and stuffed pieces of cotton balls into it. I used the pointy end of a meat thermometer to stab them down as hard as I could, compacting them as much as possible. Leaving the zeolite in the jar, I slowly poured away the solvent through the funnel into another jar. The result was completely clear like pure hexane with a very faint warm orange-pink color.

The final product after evaporation was definitely more on the pink side. I just bong vaped a few pinheads worth and it definitely does the trick. This feels not too heady and quite relaxing, a pleasant surprise.

 

[Jagube]

I can confirm it works too.

I bake it in tinfoil at 150C for 20-30 minutes.
My last bake was a solid chunk though rather than a goo, which is even better. I don't remove the zeolite as I'm happy with the oral ROA.
I don't even dissolve it in an oil.

Also, I find it very mellow and a friend of mine has said the same thing.

 

[opkolapio]

I think my paper was too brittle so I simply broke up the parcel and dissolved the resin into a jar of hexane. The zeolite powder settles very quickly in this solvent.

To filter I just used a small funnel and stuffed pieces of cotton balls into it. I used the pointy end of a meat thermometer to stab them down as hard as I could, compacting them as much as possible. Leaving the zeolite in the jar, I slowly poured away the solvent through the funnel into another jar. The result was completely clear like pure hexane with a very faint warm orange-pink color.

The final product after evaporation was definitely more on the pink side. I just bong vaped a few pinheads worth and it definitely does the trick. This feels not too heady and quite relaxing, a pleasant surprise.

zeolite naturally settles at the bottom of an hexane solution, you don't need to filter it, just wait a day.
but evaporating hexane from a thc solution is absolutely impossible. it is extremely thick and sticky. you can reduce it to maybe 90% at best, You'll realize your THC is full of hexane if you put it in a vacuum chamber. Even running it in a vacuum chamber for days isn't enough to get rid of it.
your product is 10% hexane and you are poisoning yourself, be careful, there are long term chronic effects.

 

[Transform]

zeolite naturally settles at the bottom of an hexane solution, you don't need to filter it, just wait a day.
but evaporating hexane from a thc solution is absolutely impossible. it is extremely thick and sticky. you can reduce it to maybe 90% at best, You'll realize your THC is full of hexane if you put it in a vacuum chamber. Even running it in a vacuum chamber for days isn't enough to get rid of it.
your product is 10% hexane and you are poisoning yourself, be careful, there are long term chronic effects.

While concerns about hexane's neurotoxicity are entirely valid, what you are saying about evaporation doesn't entirely make sense. For one thing, evaporating 90% of a solution doesn't automatically mean that the remaining THC will contain 10% hexane at all. The actual figure depends on the amount of THC that was present in the solution to start with. Unfortunately, your flawed arithmetic tends to suggest that you simply may have been pulling numbers out of your behind.

Citation needed.

So, rather than merely fearmongering about solvent residue, how about we suggest a means of remedying the situation? Fortunately, this can be achieved quite easily by dissolving the THC in another solvent, such as acetone or ethanol, and leaving that to evaporate once more. That way, any amount of (putative) occluded hexane in the original material will become freed, diluted and largely dispersed.

 

[Orion]

Though I've mentioned in two following posts that the product isn't considered safe enough for vaping, I have edited this into my original post as well.

I checked the MSDS for the solvent I used and it no longer lists hexane, it's just regular naphtha. Again, one should still make sure to remove the solvent regardless of which kind was used.

I have not been vaping this stuff but I have been trying ways to make a solution without alcohol. Lecithin is a common ingredient in THC edibles. I've tried it with different results. The oil doesn't readily dissolve into a warm lecithin solution but mixing the pure oil with the powder, then adding hot water seemed to work much better.

 

[opkolapio]

your flawed arithmetic tends to suggest that you simply may have been pulling numbers out of your behind

yes, I don't know the exact percentage in his thc. I only know it's waaay beyond any regulation about residual solvents.

Citation needed.

no, you can just see it in direct reality. put your crude THC in a small jar, let it closed for a day, then open it and immediately put your nose into it, you'll notice the strong solvent scent that keeps evaporating from the THC.
You can also put it under a strong vacuum a see an enormous, enormous amount of solvent bubbling and coming out of the THC, for hours.

So, rather than merely fearmongering about solvent residue, how about we suggest a means of remedying the situation? Fortunately, this can be achieved quite easily by dissolving the THC in another solvent, such as acetone or ethanol, and leaving that to evaporate once more. That way, any amount of (putative) occluded hexane in the original material will become freed, diluted and largely dispersed.

The solution costs about $1000.
I doubt anyone wants diluted hexane or really any hydrocarbon left in the THC. Anyway there are other unknown nasty stuff in it more than solvents.

I'm not debating or arguing, I'm explaining the truth, do what you want with it.

 

[Flufferus]

Thinking about it, zeolite is not the worst thing you could inhale, since it absorbs toxins in whatever environment it's tossed into like charcoal.

But yeah, I wouldn't smoke nano particle zeolite dust distillate lol

 

[THanoC]

zeolite naturally settles at the bottom of an hexane solution, you don't need to filter it, just wait a day.
but evaporating hexane from a thc solution is absolutely impossible. it is extremely thick and sticky. you can reduce it to maybe 90% at best, You'll realize your THC is full of hexane if you put it in a vacuum chamber. Even running it in a vacuum chamber for days isn't enough to get rid of it.
your product is 10% hexane and you are poisoning yourself, be careful, there are long term chronic effects.

Try evaporation with higher temperatures to lower the viscosity.

Also stirring while heating will help expose all of the material to open air and free the mechanically trapped solvent, and make sure your solvent is pure by doing an evaporation test, what you smell could be high boiling point hydrocarbon impurities.

I have tested samples for hexane and it came N/D, I do 90C° for 2 hours with stirring and no vacuum.

Also some of the things you wrote make no sense to me, like solvent evaporating from crude THC for hours under vacuum.

Stay safe

 

[opkolapio]

Try evaporation with higher temperatures to lower the viscosity.

Also stirring while heating will help expose all of the material to open air and free the mechanically trapped solvent

that's far from enough, you can pull a hard vacuum and heat it up to 100+C for an hour with stirring and it will still not be enough

I have tested samples for hexane and it came N/D, I do 90C° for 2 hours with stirring and no vacuum.

I don't trust these tests because they're contrary to what I've observed

Also some of the things you wrote make no sense to me, like solvent evaporating from crude THC for hours under vacuum.

that's what happens, it's not about making sense, it's about direct observation of reality

 

[imeatall]

Hello, dear forum members.

Yesterday marked one year since I started trying to create a usable product using zeolite technology. I’ve made over 1,000 attempts, of which maybe 30 were actually successful (by which I mean that, along with the effects, I can see red eyes in the mirror).

In short: the reaction isn’t proceeding. Previously, I thought my product was decomposing into CBN, since I never used a solvent. After I started making my mixtures in borosilicate vials and diluting them with IPA to see the color of the liquid, I noticed that my liquid was opaque and barely yellow. Sometimes, it turned pink, and I thought it was pure D8, so I put the solution on a cigarette, waited for the IPA to dry completely, and smoked 100 mg of converted CBD, which had absolutely no effect.

I tried: an oxygen-free atmosphere (a match in a jar, argon), an oxygen-rich atmosphere (an open jar), various heating methods (oven, hot plate), foil (best result? why? does aluminum react?), parchment paper wrapped generously in foil, 100–150°C, 5–60 min, raising the zeolite’s pH with baking soda to 9.2, different ratios up to 4z:1c and 0.1z:1c, zeolite activation (I saw a lot of water coming out of it), and a lot of other things I just can’t remember right now.

Does my body not absorb THC through the stomach? No, because I tried smoking the resulting products with no effect whatsoever.

 

[Transform]

The solution costs about $1000.

That seems to be another number slightly lacking in context. Please show your workings. A thousand bucks for what, exactly?

I'm not debating or arguing, I'm explaining the truth, do what you want with it.

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It would be more than satisfactory if you were merely to provide some accurate details of your set up and its operational parameters, etc.

 

[Orion]

Hello, dear forum members.

Yesterday marked one year since I started trying to create a usable product using zeolite technology. I’ve made over 1,000 attempts, of which maybe 30 were actually successful (by which I mean that, along with the effects, I can see red eyes in the mirror).

In short: the reaction isn’t proceeding. Previously, I thought my product was decomposing into CBN, since I never used a solvent. After I started making my mixtures in borosilicate vials and diluting them with IPA to see the color of the liquid, I noticed that my liquid was opaque and barely yellow. Sometimes, it turned pink, and I thought it was pure D8, so I put the solution on a cigarette, waited for the IPA to dry completely, and smoked 100 mg of converted CBD, which had absolutely no effect.

I tried: an oxygen-free atmosphere (a match in a jar, argon), an oxygen-rich atmosphere (an open jar), various heating methods (oven, hot plate), foil (best result? why? does aluminum react?), parchment paper wrapped generously in foil, 100–150°C, 5–60 min, raising the zeolite’s pH with baking soda to 9.2, different ratios up to 4z:1c and 0.1z:1c, zeolite activation (I saw a lot of water coming out of it), and a lot of other things I just can’t remember right now.

Does my body not absorb THC through the stomach? No, because I tried smoking the resulting products with no effect whatsoever.

The opacity is likely from the suspended zeolite. It settles quite slowly in IPA and doesn't filter well.

100mg is a LOT. Something is obviously not right here if you can take so much with no effect at all. But once again, this is not considered a smokable product.

You shouldn't need any bases and the method outlined in the original post works perfectly well. Is your CBD all from the same batch? What changed when you got it to work?

As for oral ROA, how are you taking it? Are you mixing it with anything first to increase absorption?

 

[imeatall]

The opacity is likely from the suspended zeolite. It settles quite slowly in IPA and doesn't filter well.

100mg is a LOT. Something is obviously not right here if you can take so much with no effect at all. But once again, this is not considered a smokable product.

You shouldn't need any bases and the method outlined in the original post works perfectly well. Is your CBD all from the same batch? What changed when you got it to work?

As for oral ROA, how are you taking it? Are you mixing it with anything first to increase absorption?

thanks for reply!
No, unfortunately, this has nothing to do with solvents. But even with IPA, the zeolite settled completely to the bottom—it was completely clear. After two decanting cycles, there was no residue left at the bottom.

Don’t get me wrong, but I take up to 1g of converted CBD per day, in 100mg doses. That means I can take 10 doses a day, spaced 1.5–2 hours apart, if I don’t feel any effect.

Maybe this affected the small number of products that actually work, since CBD neutralizes THC, but I’ve already tested this by completely stopping use for a month and then starting to take 100 mg/day for a maximum of 30 days. There was no difference.



You see, I’m not getting any reaction at all. I’ll provide a bit more information, but first I’ll ask: can I post links to Reddit here?

1) My reaction works and transforms if I raise the temperature to 180°.

2) My reaction works if I do it for a longer time. Once I did a 1:1 ratio at 140° and slept for 7 hours. Inside the vial, I found a reddish-pink film.

This means it’s not that my reaction isn’t happening at all—it is happening, but there’s SOMETHING preventing it from occurring.

I’ve tried different zeolites, different colors of zeolites, activated/unactivated (relict water), and different CBDs.



The problem is that I’m not the only one. Some people have reported that their products stopped working after six months. That is, they were doing everything the same way, with exactly the same ingredients, and their reaction just wasn’t happening.