DMT entities and rape .

[alloya]

First of all I apologise if this has been covered in other threads.
I have taken Ayahuasca in 10 ceremonies, not all was love and light but nothing could have prepared me for smoking DMT. My friends went first and they came back with wonderful experiences. I was all ready for mine. I took off and could see geometric patterns which I began to fly through. I was enjoying myself when all of a sudden I could feel this dark presence around me, this presence came closer and closer I could not see it but I could feel it trying to interfere with my journey. I could still see the patterns but they had stopped moving as if this entity had stopped them. It was like it was sending distortions into my head which was interfering with my trip.
I am a little concerned but decide that it might be a one off, so I smoke again. This time I saw the entity, he was a full demon, I was not scared of what he looked like but the feeling of having him around, made my heart race and I was scared.
So I talk to my friends and they say it is a manifestation of my own fear, so I think ok if that is the case I must try again. I spend the week working on self-exploration to look at my fears. I smoke again. This time the demon is not alone; there are shadow beings everywhere, boy they have the ability to really bring me to fear even though to look at they are not so scary. The man with the hat appears and I am glad to get out of the journey. I call upon my guides, using techniques which usually work, but nothing helps, the demon just laughs at me and it gets worse.
I leave it for a month and then smoke again. I am convinced that I have worked on myself and should experience something different this time. I am back there again, a place full of demons, shadow beings, man with the hat and now these beings which I now know as succubus and incubus. They appear as snake like tendril entities. I am lying on the sofa, when all of a sudden I feel hands on my knees and my legs are pulled apart. I strain trying to stop this but I cannot. I finally manage to open my eyes to see one of these succubus try to enter my body. I am scared beyond belief.
My question is, how can a manifestation of my own fear try to rape me?

Any help or advice or similar experiences I would love to hear from you. Thanks

 

[cave paintings]

Hey my friend,

DMT is powerful, and I have had some scary experiences myself. I would somewhat agree that this entity's presence is somewhat a manifestation of fear, or negative emotion, but I am also careful to not paint experiences with too much psychological rationalization. It seems that you were repeatedly knocking on a door that was not so welcoming to you at that time for whatever reason; it may not have been fear, it might have even been a response to being a bit overly haughty or pushy? Just as you were pushing to enter their realm, so too did the negative forces quite literally try and enter yours (not to be crude, but I believed the analogy maybe worth mentioning).
I don't ultimately believe DMT is something to be pushed and conquered by heroic doses. I think it is important to dive deep, but taking time and listening to what the molecule is trying to tell you is even more significant I think, and wise. Take some time, these things need not be rushed.
You mentioned you've had ayahuasca experience, so I don't mean to lecture you on the power of DMT, I just want to mention my thoughts as I've had repeated difficult experiences via smoking as well. Usually taking some time and letting other endeavors and relationships in my life play out, will refresh me for another trip, and I'll reconvene when the time is right.
Best of luck when/if you choose to revisit!

 

[alloya]

Thank you for your reply it is very much appreciated. I think maybe you are right when you say i was pushing into their realm so maybe they tried to push into mine. I will take your advice and take my time . I think Ayahuasca is the one for me , but dmt maybe i have to accept it is not for me at this present time . thanks again love alloya xx

 

[GOD]

My opinion ...... from the other direction

Part of your mind objected to what your ego was trying to do to it and projected images of danger at you to warn you . It cant talk directly to you . The pictures themselves are not so important its the danger that they imply that is important . The danger implyed started smaller and then got biger ....... the images / scenes got more frightening ...... untill you stoped and asked here what people think = survival instinct .

 

[alloya]

Thanks for your reply , much appreciated. I did not feel like it was dangerous at first but as the experiences got worse and worse i did feel under threat , it felt dangerous to me . I think i could have handled it if it was not for the physical touch , the pulling open of my legs. When things get too 3d and physical it is hard for me to stay calm. It made me consider that these kinds of entities are around always and it is only during dmt that we are aware of them. much love alloya xx

 

[concombres]

My opinion ...... from the other direction

Part of your mind objected to what your ego was trying to do to it and projected images of danger at you to warn you . It cant talk directly to you . The pictures themselves are not so important its the danger that they imply that is important . The danger implyed started smaller and then got biger ....... the images / scenes got more frightening ...... untill you stoped and asked here what people think = survival instinct .

I think this may very well be the problem.
Seems like you may have some fear of spice, regardless of if your conscious of it or not.
I've felt entities reaching into my head several times. At first it was scary, however i quickly began to question what it was about this that scared me.
Each time i encountered it afterwards it was less & less scary & i let it progress further. Eventually i came to a point where i let these entities do what they were doing & in the end it was supposed to be helping me in some way.
The last time i was more comfortable with it, but some apprehensiveness still remains.

Maybe what you think they are trying to do is not what is really going on, the fear you feel may be causing you to jump to conclusions & assume something bad is going on.

 

[alloya]

you are right i have fear now of the spice , it will take a lot for me to get rid of this fear now i have had these experiences. I saw demons and all sorts of beings on Ayahusaca , some of them entered my body but i felt safe as Mother Aya was with me guiding me throughout the experience. On dmt i feel alone in the experience , like i have no guide or protector. On Ayahuasca i had insect beings going into my brain and work on it , sometimes it was painful but i was assured by mother Aya it was healing and it was.

 

[Jin]

hey alloya

these experiences can even be premonitions and maybe warning you about real life ,

sometimes DMT has a way of telling you things that might be necessary for your well-being and protection ,

be safe

 

[Synkromystic]

alloya, I would highly recommend not smoking dmt any more, but using ayahuasca or pharmausca instead. For reasons I wont go into here (some highly speculative), unless you really want me to, some of us need to go to oral route only.

 

[Spiralout]

alloya

Have you considered drinking caapi or syrian rue tea prior to smoking the spice or making "changa"? The harmalines in this material make a huge difference on the spice when smoked.

 

[alloya]

Hi Synkromystic, i am curious now if you feel like going deeper into it i would appreciate it

 

[alloya]

Hi spractral, thanks for the advice

 

[Swarupa]

It reminds me of one of the Strassman reports where one of the participants saw himself being raped by a reptilian :shock:

We have no idea how powerful DMT really is and what it gives access to, if it's just our subconscious or not, it's an interesting substance and smoking it is pretty wild for even the most seasoned psychedelic veteran but i can see how it isn't for everyone and could potentially leave people psychologically or spiritually vunerable to malicious entities, even if it's all in their own head.

I've always found the oral route through psilocybin to be the best way of having a deep experience i can integrate and benefit from, although i'd like to try ayahuasca one day.

I'd say half my smoked DMT trips made no sense and the other half only made sense with some intent reflection, some people would say it's something to work through on subsequent trips 'smoalk moar' but i wouldn't advise that, i'd find another medicine to work with and return only (if at all) when you feel 100% comfortable to do so.

 

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infinite plays of light

smile

smoalk moarr

 

[Felnik]

One thing to try is to possibly lose the whole concept of demons etc.
I think some trouble can start when we start to overlay human constructs on these experiences . Also I've felt myself getting caught up in the drama of it sometimes and have really worked at backing away from that and taking a lighter view . Many times when you stop taking it so seriously dark feeling entity things will dissipate. I've had some great experiences that started off bad but ended up amazing with a simple change of attitude . Deny the bad
Stuff by being disinterested in many cases can really help to redirect an experience

 

[DeeMenTalist]

One thing to try is to possibly lose the whole concept of demons etc.
I think some trouble can start when we start to overlay human constructs on these experiences

second that.
There was a period of time when I started to have some issues with those reptilian bastards. I won`t go into details but when all that stuff somewhat reflects in your everyday life you better stop and reevaluate all of it... Now i`m good with `em and wish you concombres the same. Don`t take it too serious and accept your fears.

 

[Synkromystic]

Well the intestines has a ''mind'' of its own.

The Enteric Nervous System: The Brain in the Gut has a good description of the system.

''The gut's brain or the "enteric nervous system" is located in the sheaths of tissue lining the esophagus, stomach, small intestine and colon. Considered a single entity, it is a network of neurons, neurotransmitters and proteins that zap messages between neurons, support cells like those found in the brain proper and a complex circuitry that enables it to act independently, learn, remember and, as the saying goes, produce gut feelings.''

Usually, when we smoke dmt and or maoi we are mainly only affecting the energy center inside the head (brain). When we take oral dmt/maoi it targets the brain and enteric nervous system. So when only smoking, we are not activating a separate very important subsystem that is integral to our psycho/phsycial/spiritual functioning. I can't think of a good analogy for it, but it's not usually beneficial to only activate one system inside of a highly complex, extremely interconnected bio spiritual computer.

Now i'm not saying that it is always better to take pharma. It depends on the person, because sometimes it is necessary to only activate one energy center. (the brain) (by smoking).

But by activating multiple energy centers, it allows for energy to flow between them smoother and make stronger connections, allowing for a more integrated whole.....which really is what we are after, even if we don't realize it. Unifying all the systems in the psycho-spiritual biocomputer...aka humans. And by unifying, it implies purifying....removing the blockages and obstacles that keep the human from being ''whole''

 

[Redguard]

I have a rule that I never go to sleep after a bad dmt trip. Meaning that ill just keep on smoking it and facing whatever my demons are until they are gone. I've experienced succubus type entities and from what I can gather, if they are actually real, they feed on your fear and various energies. It could also be your subconscious talking to you, or even Jung's shadow. The only way out is in Hell, the smart thing to do is just not smoke for a long time, but I'm a particularly stubborn individual and what works for me may not work for you. Good luck!

 

[cave paintings]

Also, popping in again, I think as mentioned above in various posts, that working with caapi has always been beneficial to me when smoking DMT. I have little experience with ayahuasca brew myself, but have done it once; I've smoked a lot more. As others have mentioned, the smoking route is a bit of a smack in the face. Things are in such a rush as your system is flooded and the molecule quickly uptaken & metabolized.
My friends and I smoke the caapi leaf (and bark, though its harsh) practically ritually before each session. I'd agree that it balances the experience out in some ways and guides it a bit more, the sister harmalas help you out.
I think it is important as Chronic mentioned to find the teacher that best suits you as well. Mushrooms are wise.
Best of luck. One love.

 

[alloya]

Thanks Synkromystic, that makes a lot of sense