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Woolmer
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Which size tank is recommended. I'm debating whether to get a Vaporesso i-Tank 8 ml or Geekvape Zeus 5 ml. Would the coils need replacing before the 8 ml is up in the vaporesso tank. I don't know much about vaping setups. Do cheaper tanks such as the Voopoo TPP Pod Tank 2 work fine?
It's important with vaping that the cotton in the coil will never go dry, so you always need to keep your e-liquid level above the cotton to prevent that from happening.
This usually means that you need to go for a tank that is slender and long/high, or maybe one where they found a way to keep the cotton in the coil relatively low in the tank.
Also, I would order some extra spare coils for your tank, this since they will eventually wear out.
Kind regards,
The Traveler
Ruffles
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You can try a small experiment. Get a microcentrifuge tube, grab 1 mL of the loaded Xylene and put in a drop of CASA. It should end up with a small droplet of yellowish D at the bottom.
The only issue I have with CASA`d Xylene is that it is very very difficult to remove ALL of the xylene, you can make it go residual but the taste and smell will always be on the background (you get used to it). CASA and MASA dropped materials are gooey or creamy and more difficult to recrystallize in isopropanol while FASA droppings are a no-brainer.
CASA from xylene will work. Ruffles' sugestions are good, and it may take dissolving the precipitated citrate in DIW and boiling it to drive off the residual odour, before evaporating it back down again. Xylene has good steam volatility.
Ruffles
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Yep. Water is pretty safe, but a much faster way would be to use ethanol or isopropanol to dissolve citrate D and then dry that. Xylene away!
What I can't perfectly get out is excess malic by ipa recrystallization (reprecipitation I should say as it drops a powder). You lose a lot that don't drop out (you can just dry the loaded ipa and recover). It helps to avoid over MASAing or CASAing the loaded xylene.
Inspired by this thread, I just experimented with adding citric acid to the cartridges I made in the last step. For my first test, I used only about 50% of the ratio suggested in the HIELO tek.
Am I right that the crux of the idea is bringing the PH back down to levels that are more compatible with our body, Allowing smoother absorption of DMT? I noticed that a drop of cannabis terpenes already helps the body a lot in "accepting" the DMT molecule.
My tests last night with my (HIELO-enhanced) vapes almost had a more "ayahuasca" "-like feeling. Feels like I'm taking puffs of a forest.
Three questions:
- is it ok to add less acid like I did? Instead of using 0.35g of citric acid per gram of DMT. I used only 0.17g of citric acid.
- I think the liquid is not as liquid as it was in freebase. It is a very transparent honey but gets more stuck in the bottom of the vape. Is that normal? I did go for a 65% DMT to 35% PG solution which is quite concentrated. maybe too much?
- the carts with freebase can be stored forever it seems. at least i didn't see any going bad. would the same apply to salted carts?
Am I right that the crux of the idea is bringing the PH back down to levels that are more compatible with our body, Allowing smoother absorption of DMT? I noticed that a drop of cannabis terpenes already helps the body a lot in "accepting" the DMT molecule.
My tests last night with my (HIELO-enhanced) vapes almost had a more "ayahuasca" "-like feeling. Feels like I'm taking puffs of a forest.
Three questions:
- is it ok to add less acid like I did? Instead of using 0.35g of citric acid per gram of DMT. I used only 0.17g of citric acid.
- I think the liquid is not as liquid as it was in freebase. It is a very transparent honey but gets more stuck in the bottom of the vape. Is that normal? I did go for a 65% DMT to 35% PG solution which is quite concentrated. maybe too much?
- the carts with freebase can be stored forever it seems. at least i didn't see any going bad. would the same apply to salted carts?
Hi!
This comment interests me because I'm currently preparing to experiment with HIELO for making a pen style vape cart. While I'm waiting for supplies, I have a soup of lye basified MHRB that's probably good for a few more naphtha pulls but I was thinking of trying an EA pull to see what happens.
Could you elaborate on what makes EA possibly too reactive with lye and what that means in terms of a resulting EA pull from a lye based solution? Would the EA soak up some lye and deposit to final product?
My experiment goal is to try straight DMT Citrate honey in a ceramic vape cart (trying multiple brands starting with PCKT SPRK 3) as they are designed for weed distillate and work really well for that.
Cheers!
Keyword is "hydrolysis". The hydrolysis products will mess up the extraction, although you may be able to get away with really quick pulls since the reaction is not instantaneous. The more pulls you would do, the more ethanol would build up and the harder it would get to separate the phases. So, having thought about it a bit more, a single quick pull would probably be OK but anything more would be at your own risk. Low temperature is advised, to slow the hydrolysis.I said:
Ah thanks for the clarification, I googled hydrolysis of ethyl acetate and was still confused because I'm no chemist but it makes more sense now. I'm just going to wait and do the HIELO tek, and I'll be sure to post with results!
What would be your comparison metrics? Have a think what your desired processes and outcomes might be.
I'm guessing the main metric is success. But other things would be like taste, if one mix or another causes mod malfunctions, FB solubility in the different mixes. I don't really know I was just seeing if someone has tried both. I'm trying to narrow in on a tek to follow.
I recently asked Hamilton Morris on his Patreon about salting DMT e-juice. He was skeptical.
me:
I recently came across a discussion on DMT-nexus where adding for example citric acid to the vape cartridge (containing a mix of PG and DMT freebase) makes for a very nice vaping experience.I tried it with a few cartridges and the come-up seems much more comfortable and the smoke more easy. The effect was much smoother which removed a lot of my pre-flight anxiety!In the HIELO tek I feel the amount of DMT is a bit low to get a decent effect. I tried with 65% DMT and 35% Propylene Glycol and then added 400mg of citric acid. (Still could increase that amount but would have to probably add more PG). Interestingly the inspiration came from the JUUL e-cigarette company. They have a patent showing that Nicotine salts work better than nicotine freebase. I'm no chemist but intuitively it makes sense because the PH of the DMT is closer to the body's PH which would lead to smoother absorption?
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/HIELO
https://patents.google.com/patent/CA2909967A1/en
Hamilton Morris:
That seems like a bad idea to me. Citric acid will convert DMT to the citrate salt, increasing the boiling point and making it far less volatile, if citric acid reduces harshness of the vapor it might simply be a product of *less DMT being volatilized* due to the elevated boiling point. It's true that this is done with nicotine salts (in particular nicotine benzoate) but these nicotine salts have a lower boiling point than DMT salts and many are viscous oils that might better aerosolize in vapes. If this truly does work with DMT citrate, it would be extremely surprising to me.
me:
I recently came across a discussion on DMT-nexus where adding for example citric acid to the vape cartridge (containing a mix of PG and DMT freebase) makes for a very nice vaping experience.I tried it with a few cartridges and the come-up seems much more comfortable and the smoke more easy. The effect was much smoother which removed a lot of my pre-flight anxiety!In the HIELO tek I feel the amount of DMT is a bit low to get a decent effect. I tried with 65% DMT and 35% Propylene Glycol and then added 400mg of citric acid. (Still could increase that amount but would have to probably add more PG). Interestingly the inspiration came from the JUUL e-cigarette company. They have a patent showing that Nicotine salts work better than nicotine freebase. I'm no chemist but intuitively it makes sense because the PH of the DMT is closer to the body's PH which would lead to smoother absorption?
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/HIELO
https://patents.google.com/patent/CA2909967A1/en
Hamilton Morris:
That seems like a bad idea to me. Citric acid will convert DMT to the citrate salt, increasing the boiling point and making it far less volatile, if citric acid reduces harshness of the vapor it might simply be a product of *less DMT being volatilized* due to the elevated boiling point. It's true that this is done with nicotine salts (in particular nicotine benzoate) but these nicotine salts have a lower boiling point than DMT salts and many are viscous oils that might better aerosolize in vapes. If this truly does work with DMT citrate, it would be extremely surprising to me.
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Well, we can now easily deduct that we have one "extremely" surprised Hamilton Morris on our hands.
With my Geepvape Aegis M100 I can set the wattage pretty precise (16.5-17W) so that I can get 10 second long smooth puffs with DMT-citrate, where three of them is a guaranteed ride to hyperspace.
Pretty cool that you asked and him answering though!
Kind regards,
The Traveler
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Here&Now
Established member
Agreed, reading through this thread makes it obvious that it not only works (which I strongly attest to myself), but it seems to be an improvement over the use of freebase in terms of the PH being more appropriate for something absorbed by the human body, among other benefits.
It may take some time for this knowledge to spread, as the use of "freebase only" has been the only commonly accepted answer for quite a while.
It may take some time for this knowledge to spread, as the use of "freebase only" has been the only commonly accepted answer for quite a while.
This shows that HM doesn't understand how atomiser vaping works (get with the program, Hamilton!) Dissolved water in the PG (or PG/VG) juice flash-vaporises and breaks up the liquid into a fog of tiny droplets. This has practically nothing to do with the boiling point, or even the vapour pressure, of DMT.
Alternatively, HM has an underpaid intern who needs to catch up with this (since I'm a teeny bit surprised that HM wouldn't know this)!
So, which is it, Mr. Morris? Feel free to drop by and let us know
