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..in the 90s when the DMT extraction world was a little fresher, and more guided by experienced chemists, there was no obsession with the end-product being crystals..

in the ordinary world of phytochemical extraction, a simple A/B or STB as done by most nexians, would be said to result in the CRUDE ALKALOIDS..
crystalization requires either re-crystalization (up to several times) and/or separation of compounds in some cases..

BUT, the crude alkaloid is perfectly OK (if were talking mainly tryptamines/betacarbolines) and FINE..perhaps less convenient to handle, but most goo is mostly DMT..

the very first set of instructions i ever read for extracting DMT from plants (in Psychedelic Illuminations magazine) in 1991 said that, after evaporating the non-polar solvent, the resulting SOLID OR OIL is the DMT..

people need to get this imbedded in the psyche and save themselves a lot of un-needed worry, or worse still waste of perfectly good plant alkaloids..

in the Acacia Analysis Thread you will see an example of how a goo/paste is actually over 92% DMT..
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remaining an oil form is due to either small amounts of beta-carbolines and/or NMT..
often such 'oils' will soldify eventually after a couple of weeks..

so, unless you like meticulous, fiddly lab techniques, just enjoy what the plants give you..sometimes you get crystals..
just be sure it's a species known to have had DMT demonstrated in it..
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below 92%+ DMT with small amount NMT, betacarbolines and traces..
 

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I really can't help it - I have a question...

I've used Cybs tek on mhrb a few times and pulled with naphtha...

Then I wanted to try pulling with toluene in order to get a broader spectrum of alkaloids...

I salted the toluene pulls with citric acid...

After separation and decanting, the solution containing dmt-citrate (and...?) was based with NaOH...

The solution was placed in the fridge in an attempt at water crystallisation...

This yielded some light golden/orange crystals that were a marvellous thing to behold but unfortunately also heavily contaminated with "traces" of base...

In an effort to clean this up, I noticed that there is something rather reddish that isn't soluble in naphtha and floats on water...

I don't think it's an organic contamination, as I suspect organic contamination wouldn't "clump" together like this stuff does...

Should I do a toluene pull of the re-x/wash solution in order to retrieve the red stuff then evaporate the toluene - which I was hoping to avoid?

Or how should I remove it from the solution? And is there a way, apart from bioassaying, to determine whether this is the jam I was hoping for or some sort of contamination?

There doesn't seem to be any density data for jimjam so I can't know if it should float on water or not...

Thanks

PLUR
 
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Are the people getting goo extracting mainly from ACRB?

I've achieved perfect pure white crystals with MHRB without needing to re-do anything.

I actually posted a close up of these crystals awhile ago, but not one single person made a comment over that photo, which to me, would have to be one of the best photos of DMT crystals ever taken....so i removed it for it wasn't appreciated..:!:



If everything is kept clean free of impurities then they will come out really well.
I'm far from an expert here, but have scratched my head in regards to have of the posts here.

Although the extraction is very straight forward, some of the DMT i have seen is horrible, not here but elsewhere..
Either too many kids are doing the extractions, or just not enough attention is being paid to what should be done. Even though some here are following Tek's, you still alter what the person who wrote the Tek did, for i'm seeing these question's pop up in posts...

Follow the Teks...if you want nice pure white DMT, then use Vovins Tek. If your after high yielding teks then use whatever you think is best.

If your extracting ACRB you MUST de-fat, no way around it. I'd rather smoke clean DMT than DMT fatty oils, etc...which i can taste and smell..
 
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I haven't read the whole thread but I will share my experiences.

The first time I tried doing q21q21's tek with Acacia and freeze precipitation, goo came out.

The second time I tried doing q21q21's tek with freeze precipitation and evaporation. Goo came out after it melted of course, with freeze precipitation. Evaporation seemed to work better, I still got goo but some of the stuff I collected hardened into some yellowish material.

I'm not going to say it is because of q21's tek. People have posted good results with crystals using that tek and even with acacia. Maybe lye would work better? I don't know, the product still works but I'm not getting a good value out of the amount of MHRB or Acacia I use.

EDIT: Ok, I read the thread and am pleased to find out that goo isn't that bad then? Do you think you guys are getting value out of it? Does it burn off at the same rate as crystals or does it last longer? And the vapo pen idea is a great one. Do you guys just drop the goo directly in it or do you mix it with ecig oil?
 
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Tranzcentral said:
Are the people getting goo extracting mainly from ACRB?

I've achieved perfect pure white crystals with MHRB without needing to re-do anything.

I actually posted a close up of these crystals awhile ago, but not one single person made a comment over that photo, which to me, would have to be one of the best photos of DMT crystals ever taken....so i removed it for it wasn't appreciated..:!:



If everything is kept clean free of impurities then they will come out really well.
I'm far from an expert here, but have scratched my head in regards to have of the posts here.

Although the extraction is very straight forward, some of the DMT i have seen is horrible, not here but elsewhere..
Either too many kids are doing the extractions, or just not enough attention is being paid to what should be done. Even though some here are following Tek's, you still alter what the person who wrote the Tek did, for i'm seeing these question's pop up in posts...

Follow the Teks...if you want nice pure white DMT, then use Vovins Tek. If your after high yielding teks then use whatever you think is best.

If your extracting ACRB you MUST de-fat, no way around it. I'd rather smoke clean DMT than DMT fatty oils, etc...which i can taste and smell..
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you really don't have to defat acacia.you just have to do an acid base so you can really concentrate the solution down, then use heat when you do the naphtha pulls. then just freeze precipitate and it'll leave you with yellow spice that doesn't even have to be rex'd its so smooth and maybe a little goo on the later pulls but that's only because i use heat to get it all out. i don't mind the goo at all anyways though because a shocking amount of fluffy white spice comes out if you simply rex with naphtha or bestine.
 
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Tranzcentral said:
if you want nice pure white DMT
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but that is the point of this thread.
dispelling the silly notion that "pure white" dmt is somehow better or more preferable.

also i am fairly sure there are only alkaloids in the goo as long as you salt it (given that only alkaloids salt)
 
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Parshvik Chintan said:
Tranzcentral said:
if you want nice pure white DMT
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but that is the point of this thread.
dispelling the silly notion that "pure white" dmt is somehow better or more preferable.

also i am fairly sure there are only alkaloids in the goo as long as you salt it (given that only alkaloids salt)
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Why is it a silly notion? Is it because i only have 50+ posts compared to your 2901?

It may not be better...although personally i think it is...but more preferable?

You better believe it.😉
 
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One thing about the goo, it's brutal on asthmatic lungs. I actually prefer the high of goo, but have to rex it at least to a waxy yellow powder to make it smooth enough not to cause problems
 
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Aesthetics....no that is wrong sorry. I've noticed a big difference between the white pure crystals of DMT and yellow DMT goo, and the white really blew it away.

I broke through on just 22mg of it, and i've been reading of people having/needing more than 30+mg to achieve a break through, so i think the goo would be hampering that inner glow PURE DMT has..

I'm just trying to explain what i have experienced between the two. And aesthetics has nothing to do with it.:)
 
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Tranzcentral said:
Aesthetics....no that is wrong sorry. I've noticed a big difference between the white pure crystals of DMT and yellow DMT goo, and the white really blew it away.
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there are just as many anecdotal reports of yellow blowing white out of the water as there is vice-versa.

there is no reason to believe it is anything other than self-suggestion.

i mean think about it logically. if you have 99% dmt and >95% dmt, the difference would be negligible, especially when you consider the rest of the goo is other alkaloids that could have potentially synergistic or even potentiatory effects (beta-carbolines, other tryptamines, and things of that nature).
but placebo/nocebo effects, well that is far less negligible than any difference between crystals and goo (unless the goo is like 50% NMT, but that goes without saying)
 
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From my first MHRB extraction last weekend I got 680 mg of pure white xtals and about 300 mg of brown goo which is hardening into a type of squidgy resin. I was initially worried that it may have base in it which is why its goo but this thread put my mind at rest. I look forward to my first goo session 😁 :thumb_up:
 
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WhereEaglesDare said:
From my first MHRB extraction last weekend I got 680 mg of pure white xtals and about 300 mg of brown goo which is hardening into a type of squidgy resin. I was initially worried that it may have base in it which is why its goo but this thread put my mind at rest. I look forward to my first goo session 😁 :thumb_up:
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I believe the thread is about ACRB goo, which is common because it has a high % of NMT in it.

Your MHRB goo may indeed be a product of contaminants. You might want to post a picture of it and get some opinions. If the goo is dark like the MHRB solution it is probably contaminated.
 
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YargPirate said:
WhereEaglesDare said:
From my first MHRB extraction last weekend I got 680 mg of pure white xtals and about 300 mg of brown goo which is hardening into a type of squidgy resin. I was initially worried that it may have base in it which is why its goo but this thread put my mind at rest. I look forward to my first goo session 😁 :thumb_up:
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I believe the thread is about ACRB goo, which is common because it has a high % of NMT in it.

Your MHRB goo may indeed be a product of contaminants. You might want to post a picture of it and get some opinions. If the goo is dark like the MHRB solution it is probably contaminated.
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I think may be I termed it wrong so apologies. It was the waxy resin the crystals where sitting on, it was clear until I scraped it together. Smells strongly of spice. It has been hardened in the freezer.
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