TEK Ethyl acetate approach [CIELO]

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More updates from the reddit world:

Success "skipping" the dough/paste step. Instead the water was mixed in with a handheld electric mixer in the french press, once incorporated, fridge cold EA was added for the pulls.

No fridge rest, salted directly.

New world record, 32 minutes from powder to xtals. 3.3% yield.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mescaline/s/aAadVzsrlf

I still standby using a blender and as little water as possible. I've never had to do a fridge rest if on the lower end of water content and using a blender. However, using a mixer would enable even less water comtent than what is needed in a blender. I still rate warm pulls too. So I'm not surprised by this finding, it definitely speeds things up. I do rolling pulls with the filter too which minimises time. And I enjoy shaking and using the higher end of citric acid scale 20mg/ml (in my tests it'll crash out 90-95% of your yield in 5-10mins last 5-10% crashes out over a day or 2) All speeds up the process, however I usually have to use minimal hot water to collect the dry crystals from the wall of the jars and do a quick evap (which slows the process for me).

 

[Loveall]

Very interesting! He used 95 grams of water for 91 grams of cactus, blended for 15 seconds on the lowest setting with his immersion blender whisk attachment, and then added cold EA. The water content is very low compared to the usual TEK recipe of 130 grams of water for 100 grams of cactus powder (plus up to an additional 130 grams of water to get the correct dough consistency). For comparison, I've always used 300 grams of water for 100 grams of cactus powder (the 69ron paste ratios).

With such a low water content, I wonder if all the mescaline was freebased and pulled? A comparison with identical cactus material using this technique versus the standard TEK would be useful.

Over time we have learned that a lot less water can be used. It keeps the EA drier and the fridge rest can be skipped, with direct salting after filtering. No goo and less sticky xtals.


The TEK has been steadily dropping in water content down from (3x cactus weight) to (1.3x + small incremental amounts to get a dough).

This new 1x lazy approach with EA mixed in a few seconds later before forming a dough/paste is very interesting.

 

[paranoid_plumber]

With some exprience over the years and dozens of cacti extractions, I have become convinced that the fridge rest is not needed if the paste is not too wet to begin with. I now believe that the ideal paste has just enough water to moisten the cactus powder with no dry spots. Any water beyond that, is not usefull and seems to be the cause of some beginners get5ing goo. Side note: it also seems helpfull to let the paste air out for a few minutes to allow the ammonia smell to dissipate.

There are several kind of paste after mixing well

- Too dry: some dry powder remains.
- Ideal: just enough water is added so all the cactus powder is wet. Consistensy is similar to play-doh. Fridge rest and decant is not needed, but it eont hurt.
- Accceptable: More water than ideal, but the paste can still hold its shape. Consistency is similar to moist mash potatoes. Fridge rest reccomended to avoid goo.
- Too wet: Paste is so wet it begins to not offer resistance to holding its shape (soggy mashed potatoe consitency or beyond). Fridge rest may not be enough to avoid goo. More extensive drying with a freezer or sodium carbonate step may be required (however, excessive drying can cause other issues such as sticky powder, hard goo, or no clouding reaction). If goo is obtained, 99% IPA re-X will recover xtaline product.

With an ideal paste, and by not undersalting (at least 5g citric acid per quart of extract), the process is very robust in my opinion.

I'm planning on updating the TEK soon. In particular, making it clear that the Ideal paste is preffered instead of the Acceptable one. Wondering if anyone has any feedback or different/alternative observations before that.

ah i see maybe my issue is similar! first run ceilo here! currently have goo even though my dough/paste seemed very good and just wet enough to not have any crumbles. i did my fridge rest but didnt notice any layer separated at all. so i just salted right away but i did salt while the ETA was cold... anyways. saw the clouding but not a ton. about 72 hours after salting and no crystals but a small thick layer im assuming "the dreaded goo". I cant do much with it till next monday so im thinking im going to let it sit till then, then try for this 99% IPA reX step. I noticed here when looking for answers that this guy didnt have sealed jars. i bought a big mason jar for this and it ended up being a non mason jar lid so there was a gasket in the lid i had to take out making it not sealed air tight. i am also humid in my area so maybe thats where excess water couldve came in. Chemistry is not my strongest but this place is helping. thank you for all help.

 

[Loveall]

ah i see maybe my issue is similar! first run ceilo here! currently have goo even though my dough/paste seemed very good and just wet enough to not have any crumbles. i did my fridge rest but didnt notice any layer separated at all. so i just salted right away but i did salt while the ETA was cold... anyways. saw the clouding but not a ton. about 72 hours after salting and no crystals but a small thick layer im assuming "the dreaded goo". I cant do much with it till next monday so im thinking im going to let it sit till then, then try for this 99% IPA reX step. I noticed here when looking for answers that this guy didnt have sealed jars. i bought a big mason jar for this and it ended up being a non mason jar lid so there was a gasket in the lid i had to take out making it not sealed air tight. i am also humid in my area so maybe thats where excess water couldve came in. Chemistry is not my strongest but this place is helping. thank you for all help.

Yes, the cold EA could have absorbed some water if unsealed while warming up.

There could have also been some difficult to see water droplets on your jar walls/bottom after the fridge rest, not sure. Sodium carbonate partial dry would have helped with that if it where the case.

The 99% ISO re-X will work. Don't expect all the white mescaline powder to dissolve necessarily, some can be left behind as the water and citric acid are removed by the hot IPA. The freezer part will recover any dissolved mescaline citrate.

 

[Loveall]

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