Experiences with DMT Oxide.

[Shrew]

So a FOAF has what he suspects is DMT oxide. It's a different color than his normal spice, definitely several shades darker. Very dark yellow, mixed with brown, it would seem. He suspects leaving it out in the open air for a few days did this (careless person, he is).

Well, the FOAF tried it as his primary spice in a Pharma experience with 175mg, of which at least 100mg was the dmt-oxide. He recalls that threshold effects were noticed, headspace, some distortions was about it. He recalled it was a tad difficult to communicate, but definitely only slightly different than a prior pharma experience of 125mg. Intensity about the same.
Oh, and he also said: 200mg of harmine/thh and 100mg of harmaline was ingested in two sessions (150mg harmala 15 minutes before, 150mg harmala with the dose).

Is DMT-oxide normally this weak? Or is there a more effective way to use it?
I'm aware of the usage of zinc+vinegar to reduce it back, but was wondering if anyone has had positive experiences/combinations with this.

 

[endlessness]

dmt n-oxide is an oil, not a solid. Even though yours has gotten darker from prolonged open exposure to air, which is a sign of some oxidation, I can imagine its mostly dmt with a bit of dmt n-oxide that formed on the outer layer (and possibly also plant oils that were already there). If a significant amount of dmt had oxidized then possibly it wouldnt be crystal/hard at all but a plain oil. Im no chemist though, but Im just trying to think bit more of the possible variables involved without already concluding its n-oxide.

Also if you take when one takes psychedelics a few times, one will notice that even in the exact same dosages, experiences can be different, its not an absolute relationship between the dosage and the strenght of experience, as more aspects are involved (set and setting for instance, or what you ate before and your metabolism, etc). Another thing to consider is your expectations regarding the darker dmt. So again, I would say to not make any conclusions thus far, specially from one experience.

How did you consume your pharma? Dissolved in juice, tincture, capsules (if capsules, did it have a hole in it) ?

I have never made n-oxide by oxidizing it completely with hydrogen peroxide, I guess doing this and bioassaying in blind test testing this would be the best way to know if n-oxide is indeed weak for oral ingestion. Otherwise you can continue testing your darker partly oxidized DMT, ideally in blind tests, to see if it indeed is weaker than dmt, and then while extrapolating the results to a comparison between dmt and n-oxide's strenght would not really be accurate, at least you could know the comparison between dmt and darker air-exposed dmt.

 

[Shrew]

The FOAF claims:

OJ was used with the harmala extracts and DMT. As far as expectations go, he just thought it was funny-looking-DMT. Only after the experience did he wonder why he didn't get as far as he'd like to. The form was most certainly oilier than usual (again, might be more plant oils), before it was thrown into the freeze.

Setting was less conducive to deep metaphysical work than usual --- but the FOAF has gone into trances quite often when it came to high dose Aya.

Food consumption was on schedule, last bite about 3-4 hours before.


Your insights do make a good deal of sense, and it probably isn't fully oxide. He'll treat dosage accordingly, and just amp it up.

 

[q21q21]

SWIM tested pure DMT-n-oxide (made with peroxide) in a pharma and it was the same strength as white-DMT.

 

[Shrew]

@q21q21
Gracias, he'll be glad to know this.

Thanks for the input everyone.

 

[BGTM236]

My first extraction and re-xing yielded a kind of darkish yellow slightly translucent crystal. These experiences were highly visual and often euphoric. Distinguishable beings of varying types and bizarre happenings.

All extractions since Have yielded snow white spice. For me the trips have been dramatically different. The beings are gone, the mental aspect has increased to indescribable levels. Ive had cooling, breezy sensations in my sinuses as well as burning sensations.

There are too many variables to say for sure that my yellow spice is different from my white spice. Tolerance for one, my smoking technique has been perfected to where i can clear my dose in one hit. The quality of the bark, the fact that I used whole bark for my first extraction and powdered since.

Most DMT extracted in a kitchen is going to oxidize a little. Im assuming that your FOAF has extracted more plant oils than usual. I would try again and see if they get the same result.

 

[BakersArmy]

Yeah, SWIM has pulled DMT oxide before out of some old bark that was never discarded. Never fully formed into crystals. tricky to smoke

 

[asf408]

DMT oxide maybe a pain to handle but effects wise is not disappointing at all. most people seem to be extremely disappointed and practically angry when their extractions result in a yellow oil but they really shouldnt

 

[Global]

I tried smoking my DMT oxide, and I got stuck in an in-between sort of phase where I wasn't quite tripping, but all the colors in the room were very vibrant, and I was able to see a lot of dull phosphenes, but it also came with a high amount of anxiety. It was like being too high off weed. I would have much preferred to have been blasted out of the cannon at full speed. The quality of my DMT oxide was also probably poor at that, so who knows.

 

[polytrip]

DMT-n-oxide is simmilar in effects to DMT. The ratio between visual effects and other effects is different and more in favor of visual effects.