It may be true. However there are horrible ways to not suffer. Let's hope they don't suffer because everything is better then.
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@Transform, is there a written form of the ideas in that video? Or something similar to it.
Probably, but I can't point you to any specific resources right now. Maybe you could get an auto-generated transcript?
It would be very useful to have a written summary of the finance aspects, indeed.
Here are the salient parts of the video description, for starters:
This book is supposed to be a good one. I listened to his interview on YouTube, and he seemed very sane. Yanis's story about how EU took over Greece and destroyed their money press is insane. Still, it is all a bit over my head. I have no weight in my society and feel more like a traveler at a hostel.
Peace
I won't fully enter there because the rules don't allow politics (for a certain definition of politics), so I'll keep it broad and generic. I find people like Varoufakis and the currents they represent to be a distraction. They can't (or don't want to) see beyond the system and so can only propose different ways to reform it. They claim those reforms to be more than reforms, so narrow is their perspective. It's sad that nowadays relatively minor reforms that fit well into the current system are what is considered the most "radical". It seems like we as humans have lost all hope of fundamental change and are fighting for which specific combination of institutions and laws will be better.
An alcoholic shouldn't be choosing between vodka and wine, he should quit.
(This is not a comment about the video obviously, I haven't watched it)
Edit: and to be clear, it's not as much a criticism of Varoufakis and adjacent currents as a criticism of a state of affairs where those ideas are often considered "radical".
An alcoholic shouldn't be choosing between vodka and wine, he should quit.
(This is not a comment about the video obviously, I haven't watched it)
Edit: and to be clear, it's not as much a criticism of Varoufakis and adjacent currents as a criticism of a state of affairs where those ideas are often considered "radical".
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I agree with the last posts. If tech companies' main revenue source is advertising then how could technofeudalism work outside of capitalism?
Feudalism was based on landlords who owned land, and land bears space and resources for all kinds of activities that are functional to society. Technofeudalism would be based on companies that own data, but the value of data is tied to markets (advertising, predictions, shaping opinions and trends).
Even if we consider the power to know and direct people's behavior that governments can receive from tech companies, which is mentioned near the end of the video, don't governments ultimately rely on the production of goods? Even if the main portion of states' GDP is the services sector, the majority of services in turn rely on industry. Even tech companies rely on several industries and supply chains they don't control, just to exist.
Feudalism was based on landlords who owned land, and land bears space and resources for all kinds of activities that are functional to society. Technofeudalism would be based on companies that own data, but the value of data is tied to markets (advertising, predictions, shaping opinions and trends).
Even if we consider the power to know and direct people's behavior that governments can receive from tech companies, which is mentioned near the end of the video, don't governments ultimately rely on the production of goods? Even if the main portion of states' GDP is the services sector, the majority of services in turn rely on industry. Even tech companies rely on several industries and supply chains they don't control, just to exist.
The talk about a place where everyone is at peace makes me think of the misuse of the word "utopia".
From Greek
Ou- not
Topos- place
One love
From Greek
Ou- not
Topos- place
One love
Thats the problem with corruption: it goes against all logic an human fairness is not a concern.
Just howcome that farmers get paid peanuts but do the most wholesome work on this planet?
Technocrats or whoever is in power have theyr ways (manipulation tactics) to keep the peasents happy and submissive.
It will take alot of effort but it will happen that the truth gets to a powerfull mass that can tip the scale in favor of.. well.. truth
Da fuq!?! We can't even free ourselves from our own heuristics!
Very few people are interested in truth. Most just continue living like automatons, using the same old script.
Only a more fundamental evolutionary shift in awareness could change anything. It's not that we have a corrupt system, but that we humans are docile enough to tolerate it.
When each one of us starts to think for himself and truly collaborates with others on an equal footing, something will change. It's never the system, but the global maturity of awareness. I came to believe that it oscillates with cosmic cycles, and it falls and rises like waves on the ocean. Nothing is ultimately bad or good here; it's all patterns of energy in space. People who fully realize this within themselves just burst out laughing. This reality is pure magic.
Somehow, a story from the Bhagavad Gita comes to mind about when Krishna showed Arjuna his true form:
Bhagavad Gita 11.45 (Arjuna speaking to Krishna):
"After seeing this universal form, which I have never seen before, I am gladdened, but at the same time, my mind is disturbed with fear.
Therefore, please bestow Your grace upon me and reveal again Your form as the Personality of Godhead, O Lord of lords, O abode of the universe."
Seeing reality is hard, and we need to develop the maturity to do it. That is the true evolution, in my opinion.
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Mechanism
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Here you go!
This is why reddit's karma system is such an amazing propaganda tool, and probably why they stopped showing dislikes on YouTube.
All the government has to do is flood the post/video they want to push with hundreds of totally organic upvotes and everyone just falls into line because nobody wants to stick their neck out.
As long as this quirk of human psychology exists you will NEVER be able to trust authority, including supposedly hyper intelligent academics with stacks of credentials.
In my opinion, like buttons on social media should be illegal, or at the very least the amount of dislikes should be clearly visible. Us humans just can't handle them
Sweden is the world's conscience. All we do is right and just. Any deniers are just jealous and want to move to this wonderful country
You're absolutely right, not suffering is better. Though suffering must still exist. It must be sufficiently unpleasant to make the not suffering better in the first place.
LuxObscura
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This is interesting because I read about something similar in the book 12 rules for live written by Jordan Peterson.
He mentioned that chaos and order are both the same side of the same coin.
Same as yin and yang.
I believe that its the same way with suffering and its opposite.
Peterson mentioned different viewpoints of both sides.
Chaos can be viewed as destruction.
But at the same time it can also be viewed as a good starting point to create order.
And while order is where we desire to get to, also wrong order exist.
He brought up one example of a mother takeing care for its child.
Does the mother protect the child from the chaos in the world or does the mother allow that the child learn from the chaos.
But he also mentioned that both options have their drawbacks.
Overprotection can be viewed as some sort of order, but it would not prepare the child for the world.
Underprotection would leave the child alone.
But he also mentioned that one can never protect someone else from ever factor.
At the end he came back to yin and yang.
And that taoists mention that finding the balance between both is important.
The line which seperates yin and yang.
I completely forgot about this thread.
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