Freedom & Modern Systems of Control

[LuxObscura]

More than dry, I would say provocative, but not in a negative sense. Often your posts are somewhat cryptic or ambiguous in ways that make other people think about their own ideas in order to reply, and move the conversation forward (except when I got caught in a stupid loop of misunderstanding ). That's very valuable.

It is hard to make others think.
And it is also hard when one is led to reflect oneself.
But I love it because what else is hiding from myself.

 

[fink]

A collapse is not always the only possible incidence.
But how 8 billion people could be fed is a question if we consider automation.
I belive the technilogy is already there to implement it into the system.
The problem is exactly the qustion you mentioned, how to feed the people who are replaced by machines.
And there is a systemic, social and cimmunal resistence.
I think there is currently no solution to this.
But at the same time I also think that automatation is not "bad".

If jobs are replaced by machines and the system still claims the money for that replaced position and uses it to feed people, it could be a solution.
But the problem is that everyone wants to spare money or wants more money.
And companies are not willing to pay the same amouth.
So there is also a cooparate resistance.
Although it really does not make much sense because there would be an imoprovement with automamtation.
But companies think why should I automate something when I would have to still pay the same amounth.

Then what should the people who are replaced do?
Maybe maintain the machines?

But everything I wrote creates a new branch/train of thoughts.

That's a very good point Lux. So we are a bit stuck. We need the automation to better feed the people. But as soon as we have the automation, we dont need the people.

 

[Sakkadelic]

That's a very good point Lux. So we are a bit stuck. We need the automation to better feed the people. But as soon as we have the automation, we dont need the people.

The world population would not have grown that big if it wasn't for industrialization. So more automation might still create more people even if we don't need them. 8 billion is an abnormally big amount of people, a peaceful fair and more balanced world could take care of itself I believe. The fundemental problem is not how to feed/care for the people but how to no be driven by profit and power.

 

[fink]

Why do you think education is declining worldwide?

I believe the value of being educated has taken a nose dive over the last one hundred years. For personal interest, still great. For value to society, ie: you get paid and life is easier, not worth starting your adult life in massive debt.

 

[LuxObscura]

I believe the value of being educated has taken a nose dive over the last one hundred years. For personal interest, still great. For value to society, ie: you get paid and life is easier, not worth starting your adult life in massive debt.

In my opinion education should be free.

 

[redbird]

In my opinion education should be free.

Free education historically favors those who fund it.

 

[northape]

I believe the value of being educated has taken a nose dive over the last one hundred years. For personal interest, still great. For value to society, ie: you get paid and life is easier, not worth starting your adult life in massive debt.

We still have free education here, but you can't make it without a loan. I think it's just a safety measure by the state to control you. If you want to get smarter, you better put a loan-collar on. I see very few free thinkers in Scandinavia; my poor home country gave a much better education.

In my opinion education should be free.

Yes, and if it's not, ask why.

Free education historically favors those who fund it.

It is the easiest method of indoctrination and control. You need some morally sound people in the government to change it. I do not see it happening any time soon.

 

[Varallo]

Since this discussion is gradually shifting back toward politics rather than away from it, I’ve decided to lock the thread for now. I appreciate everyone’s contributions and understand that these topics can matter a lot, but this step is meant to keep things aligned with the rules.

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