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HBWR/LSH snuff
- Thread starter Dorge
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I've just realised, there are those tiny hardware steel files, the kind modelmakers use for intricate work. They would be perfect, and they're cheap too.
SWIM removed the fuzz from one HBWR seed and cut it in half (so that liquid could easily penetrate, but the seed could still be easily held for filing later).
He placed it in a small flat-bottomed glass lid and poured filtered water to cover the seed halves.
He added two whole squeezes from his peppermint extract and mixed.
He left it to soak for three days in the fridge (his food now tastes minty!).
He removed from the fridge and noticed that the insides of the seed had turned jet black in places. Is this bad, or good?
He fanned the mixture overnight to reduce the liquid.
He then put it in the airing cupbard to dry out. It's been in for two days and is nearly dry.
When dry, he will drip a bit of peppermint oil into each half for good measure.
On Tuesday, if it is dry, he will file it into snuff and hopefully be journeying all day.
Question concerning the patches of blackness- Is it safe to snuff? Is this reaction chemical or bacterial? The water has no signs of mould floating on it.
He placed it in a small flat-bottomed glass lid and poured filtered water to cover the seed halves.
He added two whole squeezes from his peppermint extract and mixed.
He left it to soak for three days in the fridge (his food now tastes minty!).
He removed from the fridge and noticed that the insides of the seed had turned jet black in places. Is this bad, or good?
He fanned the mixture overnight to reduce the liquid.
He then put it in the airing cupbard to dry out. It's been in for two days and is nearly dry.
When dry, he will drip a bit of peppermint oil into each half for good measure.
On Tuesday, if it is dry, he will file it into snuff and hopefully be journeying all day.
Question concerning the patches of blackness- Is it safe to snuff? Is this reaction chemical or bacterial? The water has no signs of mould floating on it.
[quote='Coatl]This is a very interesting idea...
What if you evaporated an alcohol extract and then snuffed it? Or something of the sort...
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Thought you were ideologically against extracts!
The blackness looks like discolouration to SWIM. But still, can anyone advise him? He doesn't want to die by snuffing bacteria...
What if you evaporated an alcohol extract and then snuffed it? Or something of the sort...
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Thought you were ideologically against extracts!
The blackness looks like discolouration to SWIM. But still, can anyone advise him? He doesn't want to die by snuffing bacteria...
sounds like it could be a rotted seed or just mal formed with out looking at it SWim cant tell yah... swim would just file off the black and throw it out... swim would also add the peppermint extract to the filed snuff and then let it dry out...
Thanks. It was normal coloured when cut in half, but the blackness appeared after it had submerged in peppermint water in the fridge.
It wasn't filed to start with because SWIM assumed that once it got wet it would stick together... and then wouldn't be fine enough after chopping with razor blade? (because it's meant to be super-fine to work?) Has sWIY tried it that way?
T - 2 days to launch!
It wasn't filed to start with because SWIM assumed that once it got wet it would stick together... and then wouldn't be fine enough after chopping with razor blade? (because it's meant to be super-fine to work?) Has sWIY tried it that way?
T - 2 days to launch!
Sorry for double post.
A google search of 'HBWR snuff' yielded no accounts whatsoever of anyone other than LLB having EVER tried this method of ingestion. Let alone converting to LSH first. Couldn't find anything on Erowid either. SWIM is having second thoughts... he usually only tries things that have a track record of safety... he is not sure he wants to be First Shaman!
There is just one report of someone snuffing some white powder from Morning Glory seeds http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36730 . He also ate the rest (400 seeds total). Nothing for HBWR, except someone in the Shroomery asking if you can snuff them, who received no reply to the question.
A google search of 'HBWR snuff' yielded no accounts whatsoever of anyone other than LLB having EVER tried this method of ingestion. Let alone converting to LSH first. Couldn't find anything on Erowid either. SWIM is having second thoughts... he usually only tries things that have a track record of safety... he is not sure he wants to be First Shaman!
There is just one report of someone snuffing some white powder from Morning Glory seeds http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36730 . He also ate the rest (400 seeds total). Nothing for HBWR, except someone in the Shroomery asking if you can snuff them, who received no reply to the question.
69ron
Esteemed member
That is precisely why SWIM won't do it. He wants to see the reactions of at least two people first and wants some sort of potency comparison to that of the seeds taken orally. Until that happens SWIM is NOT going to try this out. An overdose of LSA/LSH is very unpleasant.
Most alkaloids are more potent when snorted then when taken orally. For example, bufotenine is many times more potent snorted than ingested orally. With bufotenine, 100 mg orally barely does much at all, some light visuals, and lots of nausea, and that’s it, but when 100 mg is snorted that’s an extremely heavy psychedelic experience few people would be prepared for.
Most alkaloids are more potent when snorted then when taken orally. For example, bufotenine is many times more potent snorted than ingested orally. With bufotenine, 100 mg orally barely does much at all, some light visuals, and lots of nausea, and that’s it, but when 100 mg is snorted that’s an extremely heavy psychedelic experience few people would be prepared for.
Thanks Ron. Ok SWIM'll try, but start REALLY small. Manana.
[EDIT: LLB, how long does it take for effects to begin? He couldn't resist, started by snuffing approx 1/10th of a seed of 'HBmintrose'. Can maybe feel something slight... an awakeness a bit like low-dose LSD... awareness... but who knows, that could just be all the fresh air from having his nostrils cleared with minty freshness. Tomorrow morning, 1/3, assuming he can sleep tonight.]
[EDIT EDIT: same slight feeling after 1/3 mintrose seed, nothing more. It's been 2 hours now since snuffing.]
[EDIT: LLB, how long does it take for effects to begin? He couldn't resist, started by snuffing approx 1/10th of a seed of 'HBmintrose'. Can maybe feel something slight... an awakeness a bit like low-dose LSD... awareness... but who knows, that could just be all the fresh air from having his nostrils cleared with minty freshness. Tomorrow morning, 1/3, assuming he can sleep tonight.]
[EDIT EDIT: same slight feeling after 1/3 mintrose seed, nothing more. It's been 2 hours now since snuffing.]
Infinite I
JC
Any updates ohayoco? Swims ran out of seeds atm but would like to hear how this goes, the no nasea part sounds great and if the peppermint changes it too even better!
Swims ran out of seeds atm but would like to hear how this goes, the no nasea part sounds great and if the peppermint changes it too even better!After SWIM snuffed the last ~2/3 (of snuff made from the minted seed & scraped evaporation residue), T + 1h 20m...
Ever so slightly altered state. Things seem slightly 'different' but this is more an increase in awareness than 'visuals'. As if noticing visual anomalies that brain usually ignores. Also decreased ability to focus, as if he needed glasses. Feels a little sick (but he only got 5 hours sleep last night though so maybe that doesn't help, and that also means he can't judge if the sedation he's feeling is from the snuff or natural).
Conclusion: dose not high enough. So don't worry about this snuff being 10x more active than regular hbwr. Someone could try powdering first rather than just halving and soaking. Shame results weren't very dramatic, but 'safety first'!
Other notes: the seed did not grind well because the peppermint oil made it very hard, almost crystalline, leaving hard translucent coating, so the seed kept breaking apart when filed. The residue from evaporation was not particularly fine either and wouldn't break apart easily with a razorblade. Use of pestle and mortar crushed larger bits but the evaporation residue was a little elastic, not powdery at all.
SWIM prefers the idea of soaking in alcohol and peppermint oil and administering the potion sublingually. He is going to pursue that route instead. He wouldn't be into snuffing more than 1 seed.
Ever so slightly altered state. Things seem slightly 'different' but this is more an increase in awareness than 'visuals'. As if noticing visual anomalies that brain usually ignores. Also decreased ability to focus, as if he needed glasses. Feels a little sick (but he only got 5 hours sleep last night though so maybe that doesn't help, and that also means he can't judge if the sedation he's feeling is from the snuff or natural).
Conclusion: dose not high enough. So don't worry about this snuff being 10x more active than regular hbwr. Someone could try powdering first rather than just halving and soaking. Shame results weren't very dramatic, but 'safety first'!
Other notes: the seed did not grind well because the peppermint oil made it very hard, almost crystalline, leaving hard translucent coating, so the seed kept breaking apart when filed. The residue from evaporation was not particularly fine either and wouldn't break apart easily with a razorblade. Use of pestle and mortar crushed larger bits but the evaporation residue was a little elastic, not powdery at all.
SWIM prefers the idea of soaking in alcohol and peppermint oil and administering the potion sublingually. He is going to pursue that route instead. He wouldn't be into snuffing more than 1 seed.
Infinite I
JC
So you didnt use a nail file to powder the seeds no? Swim was under the impression thats why his two seeds he snorted didnt work, hed put them in a blender, were quite fine right enough. Maybe if you file them down with a nail file then soak them in peppermint and dry it out and snort, see swim is interested in increased potency and no naseua, and maybe peppermint working that way. Swim will try it when he gets money to buy seeds, which will be a good bit away atm
SWIM used a VERY fine metal file, it was incredibly time consuming. Some bits would break off while filing though, which is why he then crushed it with the pestle. SWIM didn't enjoy the feeling he got, it felt a bit 'wrong'... he's glad he started small.
Infinite I
JC
Cheers for the info, sublingually it didnt work for swim and the peppermint in your mouth for 20 minutes is quite horrible. Swims just been eating ginger to reduce naseau and its helped, he really likes the social aspect of the seeds with the peppermint so maybe hell just have to deal with the naseau part, sint that bad really, mushrooms can have similiar uncomfortableness when coming up with swim, maybe its just part of it. Going for a walk or keeping active is another thing that helps. If swim trys snorting again hell be sure to post results.
69ron
Esteemed member
SWIM did a test and found that 2 Datura stramonium seeds completely blocked the nausea from 100 mg of oral bufotenine which is guaranteed to cause lots of nausea without the Datura stramonium seeds. Not only did it block the nausea, but it also increased the visuals of the bufotenine slightly.
I am willing to bet that the same thing will work for HBWR seeds because I believe the nausea is caused by the same mechanism. Bufotenine, when taken orally, stimulates the digestive system via 5-HT receptor sites in the digestive system, and that leads to nausea. LSA and the other ergolines in the HBWR seeds do the same thing, and that’s why they have a similar feel to oral bufotenine.
2 seeds of Datura stramonium are a completely safe dose, and it has no negative impact on the bufotenine trip, so I believe the same would be true for HBWR. It's worth a shot. The seeds are really cheap and one of the best anti-nausea herbs in existence. Just never take more than 10 seeds in 1 day and you’ll be within safe limits.
I am willing to bet that the same thing will work for HBWR seeds because I believe the nausea is caused by the same mechanism. Bufotenine, when taken orally, stimulates the digestive system via 5-HT receptor sites in the digestive system, and that leads to nausea. LSA and the other ergolines in the HBWR seeds do the same thing, and that’s why they have a similar feel to oral bufotenine.
2 seeds of Datura stramonium are a completely safe dose, and it has no negative impact on the bufotenine trip, so I believe the same would be true for HBWR. It's worth a shot. The seeds are really cheap and one of the best anti-nausea herbs in existence. Just never take more than 10 seeds in 1 day and you’ll be within safe limits.
Infinite I
JC
Funny you say that ron I was actually thinking of that today on the bus. Swim has been taking a lot of hbwr recently, thanks to the peppermint and the difference it gives so something like that would be great for him he will buy some of them when he gets some hbws and give it a try, cheers again ron.
