Help with sandwich method?

[Mediate Lunch]

So i'll be trying DMT for the first time soon and have little experience with a bong, however i've searched around for quite a while but i'm yet to really find a good explanation of the sandwich method.

I know the basics of it such as a layer of herb then the DMT then more herb, however i was wondering if someone could give me some advice on the more technical aspects of it such as:

When should be inhaling or exhaling?

Do i hold the flame over the top layer of the herb or under the bowl?

How far i should keep the flame away?

How many hits should i have?

I don't mean to sound over the top or anything, i just want to make sure i don't waste any DMT and have a good first experience

 

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I've explained this quite alot throughout the years here. This is a method that I'd gotten down reasonably well (ever before I made the leap to make enhanced leaf, then changa).

Take some inert herb - use it to pack a tight bottom layer that's relatively thick - so that when the fb dmt melts down through into the herb it'll be met with some resistance due to the thickness of this bottom layer and it being tightly packed.

*Make sure a screen is underneath this bottom layer of herb*

Take some fb dmt, pile it on top of this bottom layer.

Take some herb and make a top layer of herb over top of the fb dmt - and this layer will be somewhat thinner than the bottom layer AND this top layer will not be tightly packed - leave it fairly loose - though make sure the fb dmt is fully covered with this layer.

**Then take your lighter - either nic the top layer of herb and drag the cherry slowly giving time for the fb dmt to melt down through and vaporize as you're pulling, doing big lungful pulls.

OR

**Take the lighter, and put the flame over the top layer, use your breath to draw the flame down into/near the top layer of herb carefully (though don't let the flame actually touch the top layer of herb), eventually doing it this way the top herb layer will catch a cherry and start to go - and by the time this happens the dmt will be already melted down into/through the bottom layer. Long, slow big lungfuls.

Rest is history :thumb_up:

 

[Mediate Lunch]

I've explained this quite alot throughout the years here. This is a method that I'd gotten down reasonably well (ever before I made the leap to make enhanced leaf, then changa).

Take some inert herb - use it to pack a tight bottom layer that's relatively thick - so that when the fb dmt melts down through into the herb it'll be met with some resistance due to the thickness of this bottom layer and it being tightly packed.

*Make sure a screen is underneath this bottom layer of herb*

Take some fb dmt, pile it on top of this bottom layer.

Take some herb and make a top layer of herb over top of the fb dmt - and this layer will be somewhat thinner than the bottom layer AND this top layer will not be tightly packed - leave it fairly loose - though make sure the fb dmt is fully covered with this layer.

**Then take your lighter - either nic the top layer of herb and drag the cherry slowly giving time for the fb dmt to melt down through and vaporize as you're pulling, doing big lungful pulls.

OR

**Take the lighter, and put the flame over the top layer, use your breath to draw the flame down into/near the top layer of herb carefully (though don't let the flame actually touch the top layer of herb), eventually doing it this way the top herb layer will catch a cherry and start to go - and by the time this happens the dmt will be already melted down into/through the bottom layer. Long, slow big lungfuls.

Rest is history :thumb_up:

Hey man thanks for the detailed response you've definitely helped me out

Just a few questions thought, what does the 'fb' mean in 'fb dmt'? and also would you say that the vapour that gathers in the bong would be enough to have a full experience, or should i do 2 or 3 of them? Because when you're saying long slow lungfuls all that i'm think of is a similar motion as to what you would do if you were inhaling a nos balloon which i don't see how that would work in a bong.

Again i'm sorry if me asking this sounds stupid, i'm just really inexperienced with bongs and have no experience with DMT so this whole process is blowing my mind at the moment haha

 

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Hey man thanks for the detailed response you've definitely helped me out

Just a few questions thought, what does the 'fb' mean in 'fb dmt'? and also would you say that the vapour that gathers in the bong would be enough to have a full experience, or should i do 2 or 3 of them? Because when you're saying long slow lungfuls all that i'm think of is a similar motion as to what you would do if you were inhaling a nos balloon which i don't see how that would work in a bong.

Again i'm sorry if me asking this sounds stupid, i'm just really inexperienced with bongs and have no experience with DMT so this whole process is blowing my mind at the moment haha

Not a problem, glad it helped

fb dmt - yes, freebase dmt

And yes, if the dosage is sufficient and taken in fairly quickly, without wasting a whole lot of seconds - then yes the dosage that you load into your sandwich will 'do the job', well hopefully, some people don't have the ability to take it deep into the lungs and not cough whatsoever, some peoples physiology is different too, so in ways it might be hard to say what'll happen for you. :d

You should be able to smoke/vape the entire amount loaded in the bong within 1-2 bongfuls - clearing out the entire amount you loaded. With a bong though typically you should be able to fill the bong up with the entire dosage and clear it out in one go (if you happen to have the lungs for it).

What I mean by 'slow lungfuls' is just taking the hit/s a tad slower than you would if you would typically smoke say ..cannabis or something. Just don't go balls to the wall and try to smoke/draw the cherry down with the entire amount really fast - as smoking the sandwich & drawing the cherry down really fast might not give the fb dmt enough time to melt down, liquify and vaporize within that timeframe.

Though if you're unable to take somewhat slow and controlled lungfuls, no biggie, I suppose you could just smoke it at the same speed as you would cannabis (as far as drawing the cherry down goes), though smoking a tad slower as you're drawing in the vapor/drawing the cherry down - ime - is superior. Makes a world of difference ime.

Also, when adding water to the bong, make sure its ice cold water. Ice cold water helps tremendously ime for allowing very little irritation. I can usually fill the whole bong, clear out the whole dose, and never feel much if any harshness.

It just takes some practice

 

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Hey man thanks for the detailed response you've definitely helped me out

Just a few questions thought, what does the 'fb' mean in 'fb dmt'? and also would you say that the vapour that gathers in the bong would be enough to have a full experience, or should i do 2 or 3 of them? Because when you're saying long slow lungfuls all that i'm think of is a similar motion as to what you would do if you were inhaling a nos balloon which i don't see how that would work in a bong.

Again i'm sorry if me asking this sounds stupid, i'm just really inexperienced with bongs and have no experience with DMT so this whole process is blowing my mind at the moment haha

Not a problem, glad it helped

fb dmt - yes, freebase dmt

And yes, if the dosage is sufficient and taken in fairly quickly, without wasting a whole lot of seconds - then yes the dosage that you load into your sandwich will 'do the job', well hopefully, some people don't have the ability to take it deep into the lungs and not cough whatsoever, some peoples physiology is different too, so in ways it might be hard to say what'll happen for you. :d

You should be able to smoke/vape the entire amount loaded in the bong within 1-2 bongfuls - clearing out the entire amount you loaded. With a bong though typically you should be able to fill the bong up with the entire dosage and clear it out in one go (if you happen to have the lungs for it).

What I mean by 'slow lungfuls' is just taking the hit/s a tad slower than you would if you would typically smoke say ..cannabis or something. Just don't go balls to the wall and try to smoke/draw the cherry down with the entire amount really fast - as smoking the sandwich & drawing the cherry down really fast might not give the fb dmt enough time to melt down, liquify and vaporize within that timeframe.

Though if you're unable to take somewhat slow and controlled lungfuls, no biggie, I suppose you could just smoke it at the same speed as you would cannabis (as far as drawing the cherry down goes), though smoking a tad slower as you're drawing in the vapor/drawing the cherry down - ime - is superior. Makes a world of difference ime.

Also, when adding water to the bong, make sure its ice cold water. Ice cold water helps tremendously ime for allowing very little irritation. I can usually fill the whole bong, clear out the whole dose, and never feel much if any harshness.

It just takes some practice

Honestly thank you so much, you've provided me with so much information, much more than i found in the while i was searching around the internet!

Do you personally use the sandwich method or do you use something else? I just read somewhere that the sandwich method can be extremely wasteful and its really difficult to get right and could result in a loss of a lot of DMT trying to get it right.

Do you recommend any other methods that are cheap and easy to do that work better? Or do you just think i should stick with the sandwich method?

 

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Do you recommend any other methods that are cheap and easy to do that work better? Or do you just think i should stick with the sandwich method?

Do you personally use the sandwich method or do you use something else? I just read somewhere that the sandwich method can be extremely wasteful and its really difficult to get right and could result in a loss of a lot of DMT trying to get it right.

Not anymore. I'd suggest looking into enhanced leaf. There's many many threads around this forum discussing it. It's very easy to make if you have:

-some form of smokeable herb
-fb dmt
-isopropyl alcohol
-a small dish
-and a warm surface

Take a gander through the changa subforum, as there's quite alot of information discussing how to make either enhanced leaf (dmt dissolved down into alcohol and herb soaked) vs changa (dmt dissolved down into alcohol herb soaked with the addition of harmalas). But like I'd mentioned, spend some days reading through that section of the forum, read the methods/steps on how to make it, the experiential differences between the two, etc; and if there's any technical questions beyond that just let us know.