CataractSurgeon
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Is it better to just ingest hcl or freebase or is there value to vaping ? If so how to do it correctly ?
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How do you freebase vape harmine and it is worth it ?
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Ingested gives a bigger area under the dose/response curve, largely because the body has to deal with more material, and it gets absorbed less efficiently from the GI tract than via the lungs.
By vaping, do you mean by convection heating of solid harmalas, or were you thinking of e-juice? Because the solubility in PG is poor enough to make harmala/harmine juice not really worthwhile, at least in the accounts I've read here. I suspect it would take some formulation wizardry to make a viable harmala juice and, off the top of my head, I'm not sure what the magic ingredient would need to be in order to bring up harmala solubility to a viable level. PEG400, maybe?
You'd probably get OK results using an e-nail or dab rig for the freebase powder. I'm pretty sure you'd see some scorching though, if @Brennendes Wasser's DSC results are anything to go by.
Even smoking powdered or crushed rue seeds works, but I get the impression you'd very much rather avoid methods involving combustion.
By vaping, do you mean by convection heating of solid harmalas, or were you thinking of e-juice? Because the solubility in PG is poor enough to make harmala/harmine juice not really worthwhile, at least in the accounts I've read here. I suspect it would take some formulation wizardry to make a viable harmala juice and, off the top of my head, I'm not sure what the magic ingredient would need to be in order to bring up harmala solubility to a viable level. PEG400, maybe?
You'd probably get OK results using an e-nail or dab rig for the freebase powder. I'm pretty sure you'd see some scorching though, if @Brennendes Wasser's DSC results are anything to go by.
Even smoking powdered or crushed rue seeds works, but I get the impression you'd very much rather avoid methods involving combustion.
CataractSurgeon
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I was wondering if it works in just a Yocan quartz or ceramic donut since it’s more heat stable vs dmt - I can IM the hcl but it’s a needle etc - works amazing though - I happen to have some harmine FB though
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Hi CataractSurgeon,
Properly vaping freebase harmala alkaloids has turned to be one of the most difficult and wasteful way of administering them, even if the dosage needed is minuscule.
They seem to have a high vaping point, really close to the burning one. In fact they are perfect for changa, where you let the herbs catch fire and then slowly combust them with a controlled inhalation.
As Voidmatrix said e-juices aren't a good option because of the poor solubility of harmalas in pg or vg.
The best ROA I've encountered 'till now may be intranasal (start reeeeeally small [5 mg/nostril], wait 30/40 min and go up as needed) or sitting in a closed room near some burning rue, inhaling the smoke and the smell in the air for ten/fifteen minutes (less controlled, you have to experiment with it and learn to feel it), or sublingual (but I tend to swallow so I don't like it) .
I think these may be less damaging ways of using them as sometimes i've coughed blood from my throat after smoking harmalas enhanced herbs.
Can't give you exact dosages because I may have reached a high reverse tolerance with rue, so I need a really really small dose to feel it.
Furthermore, we're different organisms, so it may have a different effect profile for you.
Properly vaping freebase harmala alkaloids has turned to be one of the most difficult and wasteful way of administering them, even if the dosage needed is minuscule.
They seem to have a high vaping point, really close to the burning one. In fact they are perfect for changa, where you let the herbs catch fire and then slowly combust them with a controlled inhalation.
As Voidmatrix said e-juices aren't a good option because of the poor solubility of harmalas in pg or vg.
The best ROA I've encountered 'till now may be intranasal (start reeeeeally small [5 mg/nostril], wait 30/40 min and go up as needed) or sitting in a closed room near some burning rue, inhaling the smoke and the smell in the air for ten/fifteen minutes (less controlled, you have to experiment with it and learn to feel it), or sublingual (but I tend to swallow so I don't like it) .
I think these may be less damaging ways of using them as sometimes i've coughed blood from my throat after smoking harmalas enhanced herbs.
Can't give you exact dosages because I may have reached a high reverse tolerance with rue, so I need a really really small dose to feel it.
Furthermore, we're different organisms, so it may have a different effect profile for you.
Hmm, yeah. I've even tried finely powdered rue seeds as snuff and it's actually pretty good, with an anti-inflammatory effect on my sinuses (ymmv). It is highly effective sneezing powder, however!
Purified harmalas would help in eliminating superfluous plant material from the equation, although I do suspect that some of the non-harmala components may have their own beneficial effect.
Harmala citrate fractions were also pretty decent to snort, come to think of it. Mine were precipitated from butyl acetate via a fractional percolation of crude freebase followed by addition of CASBA (citric acid saturated butyl acetate).
Probably some kind of sterile saline nasal spray would be equally effective and look a tad more classy/innocent to the unwitting observer as well.
