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Grey Fox said:
That is so interesting. I have always felt that there is something different about cactus compared to other psychedelics I've tried. It feels more "complete", so to speak. The visuals are beautiful and elaborate. But the transformation of my headspace and bodyspace back to a simpler, clearer, more connected, more in tune, healing, ancestral feeling sphere of extisence. With cactus I am one foot in this world and one foot in the dimension of energy and patterns and constantly morphing creatures of fractal, electric design. All while being healed and connected to the Earth and humanity. My experience is not as extensive as yours. I have tripped on dried cubensis mushrooms somewhere in the number of 40 to 50 times. Cactus somewhere now in the 30's of times. LSD 6 times. And few lesser ones like HBWR and lower doses of Salvia. But cactus has always stood out as the deepest, most immersive, and most healing.

So it is fascinating for me to hear about your experiences with THH and sublingual DMT. Thank you for sharing your findings with us.

If you are ever able to, I would highly encourage you to grow cacti. Many people grow them in containers and bring them indoors in the winter. Many of us who grow them can attest that they are beautiful plants, and have a unique "character" or "personality" all their own. And when you grow and make your own tea, then you can really begin to hone in on the powerful specimens and cultivate the ones that are most rewarding to grow.

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. I will continue to follow this thread to see what other nuggets you and others share.
You have lots of experience yourself. I agree but will add at least for me, cactus and Ayahuasca have both stood out as the deepest, most immersive, most healing as well. They are both equally as powerful.

I will certainly look into growing my own cacti, thanks!

I had a disappointing time with two 12" long 3" wide san pedro cactus today, chopped it all up, deskinned, brewed it, the tea was horrible to drink, but absolutlely nothing out of this time, not even threshold. I think I've learned my lesson with san pedro, and just sticking with the bridgesii which has never let me down.

I made up for the cactus not working, even 4 hours later still nothing felt, by taking 300mg THH orally 45 minutes before a sublingual 110mg HPBCD DMT dose, worked incredibly well, very neon colorful, just blown away by the neon colors, beauty enhancement infinite, enjoyed music for hours, remarkably enhanced. Complete 360 from the cactus not working, to arriving in divine space one again. I took 20mg sublingual HPBCD harmine around 20 minutes before the sublingual HPBCD DMT dose.

One quick note: I would recommend if you take 25mg sublingual HPBCD harmine, to take it 20 minutes before beginning the evening of sublinugal HPBCD DMT dosing, of course taking from 150mg to 300mg pure thh orally 45 minutes before all this.

I have found the HPBCD DMT absorbs much better on it's own without any sublingual harmine in the mix at the same time, so keep them separate is all I'm saying.

I noticed the 25mg harmine freebase complexed to the (1:6g ratio to keep at 1:1 molar ratio) 150mg HPBCD in 3 drops water had zero taste under the tongue, as the HPBCD masked the taste of the nasty harmine freebase completely, and all of it absorbed in only 5 minutes. I really like the harmine freebase this way, has the power of around 180mg oral harmine in my estimation, but no sedation, felt really nice on the body, gentle feeling like being in a hot tub, helped to make the 110mg HPBCD DMT dose taken 20 minutes later to feel really powerful, much more powerful visuals than LSD or mushrooms and last a full 90 minutes with great strength.

I have had many extremely powerful experiences without any harmine whatsoever, so I'm still trying to gauge just what role it plays in all of this. There does not appear to be any MAO in the saliva enzymes according to the wikipedia entry on sublingual administration, and the HPBCD DMT makes it just fine to the brain entact in my many months of experiences. If anything, the sublingual harmine acts to slow down the deamination or oxidation of the DMT molecule in the mitochondria.

Dr. Narang and Sharma mention in their 2010 sublingual paper (attached on post #1) that under the tongue pharmaceuticals can be 3 to 10 times more bioavailable than oral.

Wikipedia on sublingual administration: Sublingual administration - Wikipedia

and states the following:
"many drugs are much more potent taken sublingually"

"this route translates the chemical directly to the brain, where most psychoactives act."

"When a chemical comes in contact with the mucous membrane beneath the tongue, it is absorbed. Because the connective tissue beneath the epithelium contains a profusion of capillaries, the substance then diffuses into them and enters the venous circulation.[1] In contrast, substances absorbed in the intestines are subject to first-pass metabolism in the liver before entering the general circulation.

Sublingual administration has certain advantages over oral administration. Being more direct, it is often faster,[quantify] and it ensures that the substance will risk degradation only by salivary enzymes before entering the bloodstream, whereas orally administered drugs must survive passage through the hostile environment of the gastrointestinal tract, which risks degrading them, by either stomach acid or bile, or by enzymes such as monoamine oxidase (MAO).

Furthermore, after absorption from the gastrointestinal tract, such drugs must pass to the liver, where they may be extensively altered; this is known as the first pass effect of drug metabolism. Due to the digestive activity of the stomach and intestines, the oral route is unsuitable for certain substances, such as salvinorin A.

This may be a preferred method to simple oral administration, because MAO is known to oxidize many drugs (especially the tryptamines such as DMT) and because this route translates the chemical directly to the brain, where most psychoactives act."
 
ava69 said:
I had a disappointing time with two 12" long 3" wide san pedro cactus today, chopped it all up, deskinned, brewed it, the tea was horrible to drink, but absolutlely nothing out of this time, not even threshold. I think I've learned my lesson with san pedro, and just sticking with the bridgesii which has never let me down.

That sucks. I've had a few of those before, especially with the PC San Pedro. Yeah, it can be really dissappointing when that happens. I'm a big fan of Bridgesii as well. I almost always include some Bridgesii in the tea. Even if the tea is 1/2 or 1/3 Bridgesii by weight and the rest Pachanoi, the Bridgesii character is there and it adds a significant boost to the potency of the tea. But there are some powerful Pachanoi out there too and I have a lot of respect for them. But a pure Bridgesii tea always has a strong kick everytime for me. Good thing you had a backup plan.
 
quote from AVA69..

Now once you have your harmaline freebase...

1) place 10.5 grams of harmaline in a 1 liter pyrex cup style glass
2) add 900ml vinegar
3) add 40g zinc dust (from pyrotechnic places) in the pyrex glass too, use 40g zinc dust per each 10.5 grams of harmaline. You will see tiny hydrogen bubbles rise to the surface.
5) place beaker solution on a magnetic stirrer with stir rod and spin entire solution slowly
6) spin for 1.5 hour, the solution will turn from green to a transparent like color after 1.5 hour, use end of cotton q tip to place in solution and dab on paper plate in front of blacklight, it will now glow blue when transition is done...

7) once done with spin, let the solution sit for 1 hour, most (95%) of the zinc dust will settle to bottom, then filter solution over a #101 9cm filter disc fitted to a vacuum flask with vacuum trap in series with your vacuum pump, this will give you a transparent golden color liquid, use this solution for next step.

Throw away the zinc dust you just collected on filter disc (be careful, don't throw zinc on top aluminum foil in garbage or it will smoke due to hydrogen loaded zinc, best to put used zinc in a baggie with water to keep it moist, keep away from aluminum).

The pump/vacuum filter flask & filter disc will remove 100% of any zinc dust. so in other words, filter pyrex beaker solution (takes out the zinc dust) over a #101 9cm filter disc fitted inside a vacuum filtration flask hooked up to a vacuum pump, with a small vacuum trap in series, in-between the filtration flask and the pump. A good pump is JB platinum DV-142N 5 CFM heavy duty vacuum pump.

Cool you are left with a 100% clear transparent with just a touch of golden very light yellow color with no zinc dust at all...now add (80ml of 10% janitorial ammonia per 2g of harmaline)...so this means add 400ml of the 10% ammonia to your solution...you will immediately see the thh crash out of solution as a white powder, place mason jar in fridge for 3 hours, the crystals will all be seen at bottom of mason jar.

9) you will collect 7.5 grams of pure white THH freebase on the filter disc sitting in your vacuum filtration flask once you pour fridge cold solution over a #101 9cm filter disc in your vacuumm pump, rinse THH with some cold water. put filter disc of thh in a pyrex tray, scrape off and dry under fan...pure white.

10) always this will happen: exactly 75% is the yield, as I don't know why this is so...but it's a great yield still. Even in TIHKAL, the yield was similar, right at 75% as well.

11) I should note that the zinc/vinegar method can be done without a vacuum pump using just coffee filters, decantation of top portion of solutions, leaving zinc behind at bottom after spun solution sits several hours, filtering top solution only above the zinc thru a coffee filter, filtering off only the THH crystals that fall to the bottom of mason jar in the fridge after sitting a couple hours, and decanting off the top layer, etc. All the fancy equipment just makes it go faster.

p.s. I also saw an episode of "Ancient Aliens" in which they discovered remnants of zinc dust inside one of the chambers, and they believe the Egyptians were making hydrogen gas using zinc and vinegar, speculating that the great pyramid was some sort of power generating device.

12) This THH at 300mg is extremely visual, it's an isomer of a hormone like substance made in the brain naturally. With eyes closed for 2 hours are seen endless slow and high motion movies of nature, architecture, culture, history, the future, way beyond LSD or mescaline visuals...very realistic, mind-blowing...and with open eyes, beauty is extreme (over the top) and there is spiritual joy....this is the best psychedelic secret kept under wraps...because hardly anyone has used it over 200mg.

Combine 250mg THH orally with sublingual 60mg of DMT complexed to 470mg HPBCD, add 10 drops boiling water, mash on a spoon for 2 minutes, pour under tongue and hold for 15 minutes...10 minutes in you will experience profound beauty with open eyes, heavy CEV visions of spinning geometrics, actual temples, and ancient architecture, neverending breathtaking immaculate visions...pupils very dilated, music sounds incredible. 90 minutes long. 300mg THH is where the visions really are seen well, if you are not used to it, there is some slight dizziness at this dosage for a short period of time, but none at 250mg. The DMT really adds to the visions as well & brightens/colorizes them, incredible combination, just like in Ayahuasca.

Pic: One way to make tetrahydroharmine




AVA69...just a few questions...

Why use the more unstable possibly explosive.. [zinc dust]. ..instead of the more stable ..

[zinc powder?]....[or will booth types of zinc ...[powder..or..dust]?....work equally well?


I dont have..a ...[filter disc setup].. you speak of...can i use a funnel and filter with cotton balls to remove enough zinc to make it safe for consumption?

[you mention useing coffie filters/?]]

On video [professor8] says... coffie filters should not be used..because the zinc is too fine... [filter with cotton balls instead?


I dont have a magnetic stirer... .... what method can substitute magnetic stirrer? ..

just by hand?


can the process you speak of above...be done to the ....liftmode THH... i and others have?]

[the stuff glows mostly yellow with green tint..]


i am very concerned about filtering out the zinc..from product!
 
Hi Starway7, thanks for questions, answers to questions:
AVA69...just a few questions...

Why use the more unstable possibly explosive.. [zinc dust]. ..instead of the more stable ..

[zinc powder?]....[or will booth types of zinc ...[powder..or..dust]?....work equally well?
I've been doing it this way for years, it's the zinc pyro dust.

I dont have..a ...[filter disc setup].. you speak of...can i use a funnel and filter with cotton balls to remove enough zinc to make it safe for consumption?

[you mention useing coffie filters/?]]
I have only done this using a vacuum pump, #101 round filters, vacuum flask with trap. Coffee filters may not be able to trap all the zinc dust now that I think about it. Cotton balls also will not remove all the zinc. Without the proper equipment, this just may not be possible to do.

On video [professor8] says... coffie filters should not be used..because the zinc is too fine... [filter with cotton balls instead?


I dont have a magnetic stirer... .... what method can substitute magnetic stirrer? ..

just by hand?
I have seen cheap magnetic stirrers for around 25.00. Stirring by hand for 1.5 hour just not do-able.

can the process you speak of above...be done to the ....liftmode THH... i and others have?]

[the stuff glows mostly yellow with green tint..]
Yes, you could re-process the THH from them, to make it pure if it is not. It won't hurt the THH to re-run it back thru the entire process. Or just buy some harmaline on-line and use that.

i am very concerned about filtering out the zinc..from product!,
Yes, best to have the proper equipment for the job. I don't think it can be done properly without it.
 
Grey Fox said:
That sucks. I've had a few of those before, especially with the PC San Pedro. Yeah, it can be really dissappointing when that happens. I'm a big fan of Bridgesii as well. I almost always include some Bridgesii in the tea. Even if the tea is 1/2 or 1/3 Bridgesii by weight and the rest Pachanoi, the Bridgesii character is there and it adds a significant boost to the potency of the tea. But there are some powerful Pachanoi out there too and I have a lot of respect for them. But a pure Bridgesii tea always has a strong kick everytime for me. Good thing you had a backup plan.
I have noticed the same, even if there is just a small amount of bridgesii taken first, then 1 hour later, the san pedro, quite remarkable. I have had a few very strong san pedro trips, but had to use nearly 6lbs of it, other times I have used 6lbs and hardly anything, it can be all over the place strength wise, just never know, yes, bridgesii is way more consistent.
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Important Reference notes:

HPBCD = Hydroxypropyl-beta-cyclodextrin
2-HPBCD = 2-hydroxypropyl-beta-cyclodextrin

Note: Molecular weight of harmine = 212g/mol, plain HPBCD molecular weight = 1300g/mol, therefore use a 1:6g weight ratio in order to keep a 1:1 molar ratio. 2-HPBCD = 1500g/mol, therefore use a 1:7g weight ratio in order to keep a 1:1 molar ratio.

Note: Molecular weight of DMT = 188g/mol, plain HPBCD molecular weight = 1300g/mol, therefore, use a 1:7g weight ratio in order to keep a 1:1 molar ratio. 2-HPBCD = 1500g/mol, therefore use a 1:8g weight ratio in order to keep a 1:1 molar ratio.

Dennis Mckenna Ph.D:
Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron.
Jamie, posted : 11/23/2012 8:29:28 PM:
You cant compare sublingual or oral either..20-30mg sublingual harmine is enough to activate sublingual DMT and cause effects on it's own. 20mg sublingual is probably comparable to 200mg oral.
One quick note: I would recommend if you take 25mg sublingual HPBCD harmine, to take it 10 to 20 minutes before beginning the evening of sublingual HPBCD DMT dosing, of course taking from 150mg to 300mg pure thh orally 45 minutes before all this.

I have found the HPBCD DMT absorbs much better on it's own without any sublingual harmine in the mix at the same time, so keep them separate is all I'm saying.

Dr. Narang and Sharma mention in their 2010 sublingual paper (attached on post #1) that under the tongue pharmaceuticals can be 3 to 10 times more bioavailable than oral.

Wikipedia on sublingual administration: Sublingual administration - Wikipedia
"many drugs are much more potent taken sublingually"

"this route translates the chemical directly to the brain, where most psychoactives act."
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Journey #2, 9-10-2021 Friday night diary:

Been 2 weeks since taking anything.

Had a disappointing tea made from two x 12" long 3" wide san pedro that did not even give threshold effects, no effects 4 hours later, I still make a cactus tea every now and then to search out what will work when I go to the waterpark, and enjoy nature. I will stick with bridgesii next time for waterpark outdoors, which has never let me down.

Since the tea did not work, I did not go to waterpark and stayed home instead and for the evening made my favorite oral THH + sublingual 25 HPBCD harmine + sublingual 110mg HPBCD DMT instead.

1) Took 300mg pure THH in a capsule 45 minutes before

2) Then took sublingual 25mg HPBCD harmine freebase.

3) I noticed the 25mg harmine freebase complexed to the (1:6g ratio to keep at 1:1 molar ratio) 150mg HPBCD in 3 drops boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug all crushed and mixed on a spoon using the end of another spoon, underside of tongue then pressed onto spoon, it all adhered, then held under tongue pressed into the sublingual mucosa had ZERO TASTE under the tongue! as the HPBCD masked the taste of the nasty harmine freebase completely, and all of it absorbed in only 5 minutes since it was such a low dosage.

I really like the 25mg harmine freebase this way, has the power of around 150mg oral harmine (x6) in my estimation, but no sedation, felt really nice on the body, gave effects for around 1 hour in my estimation this way, gentle soothing feeling like being in a hot tub, helped to make the 110mg sublingual HPBCD DMT dose taken 15 minutes later really powerful, great facilitator of the DMT. I think the harmine really slows down the de-amination or oxidation of the DMT in the mitochondria once it reaches the brain, this greatly strengthens & extends the powerful DMT effects for a full 90 minutes, and the THH doubles the half-life of the DMT.

4) Around 5 minutes after I noticed the 25mg HPBCD harmine absorbed, then took sublingual 110mg HPBCD DMT. This is 110mg DMT put onto a spoon, covered with (1:7g ratio) 770mg plain HPBCD powder, 12 drops boiling hot water added, crushed and mixed back and forth on the spoon using the end of another spoon for 2 minutes, placed bottom side of tongue onto spoon, it all adhered, held under tongue for 15 minutes, it all absorbed at around 13 to 15 minutes. Spit out an saliva into a cup instead of swallowing.

Effects: Felt like around 500mg mescaline :love: , at around 22 minutes after taking the sublingual HPBCD DMT, room filled with neon colors broadcast onto the walls, impossible mixture of neon colors like purple-yellow, pink-blue, un-nameable colors, tiny colored sparkles surrounded everything, closed eye visuals of gentle geometrics.

Watched movies on television (2021 "Kate" movie filmed in Tokyo on net-flix in 4k), both main actresses once again looked like glowing, dazzling super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves. The colors in the movie even took on new neon colors to replace the normal colors seen. Far-out beauty enhancement, listened to music on headphones, powerful enhancement. Much more powerful visuals than LSD or mushrooms and lasted a full 90 minutes with great strength, no dizziness, no nausea, no anxiety.

:!: Important note: I have noticed that when I use fresh DMT, which still has that powerful odor or smell to it, before it oxidizes, that the sublingual HPBCD DMT journeys are just really powerful, this oxidation seems to take place after 7 days for me, even when I keep it sealed in a container in the freezer, it seems to loose it's "smell" after this, and seems to become less potent...

So what I have begun to do, is extract brand new DMT, then on the same day it is all scraped up, I will immediately take 110mg of it, complex it to 770mg of HPBCD in 12 drops of boiling hot water on a spoon, mix and mash/scrape it all back and forth for 2 minutes, then draw up the 0.5ml of complexed solution into a 3ml syringe for storage in the freezer, the HPBCD helps drugs to keep indefinitely I have read, as it encapsulates the drug, or preserves/traps it well, then when frozen like this, stays super-fresh just like the day it was extracted.

I buy 100 of these syringes for dirt cheap on-line and go ahead and make all my doses the same day using many syringes, then freeze all the syringes, when ready to use one, I just pull a syringe out of freezer, it will defrost quickly, then shoot dosage under tongue, and hold for 15 minutes or until it all dissolves, many times within 12 minutes or so.

Historical note: one month ago combined 300mg of THH or tetrahydroharmine with 250mcg of acid paper that had been soaked in 1 shot of cold sherry wine for 3 hours in the fridge with hand stirring once an hour in the fridge, to help theoretically or hypothetically convert the LSD to the more colorful & visual and head-space gentle ALD-52 by adduction of the acetaldehyde from the sherry wine to the NH bottom indole position on the LSD (don't try this at home unless you are really advanced, and sure you have very pure THH) and had closed eye bright colored teaching visions all the way from 8pm till midnight.

Much more powerful than LSD visions alone, these were brightly colored Ayahuasca visions. One of the sequence of visions were of a variety of stone carvings with very elaborate artwork and a beautiful woman who stretched out her hand to me to show me magic.

I would need a tape recorder going as I lie in bed for hours to talk into in order to record the hundreds of non-stop animated and static colored visions.

Then at midnight took another 100mg of THH, it brought the visions all back until 4am in the morning! It was almost too much, non-stop hundreds of Ayahuasca visions for hours and hours, I was completely blown away, reminds me of the time I took 300mg THH combined with 60mg sublingual HPBCD DMT every 1.5 hour and had visions from midnight all the way till 5am in the morning also. I would lie in bed watching the colored visions for hours on end listening to music on my headphones, which sounded as if I had taken a high dose cactus tea, very remarkably enhanced, just Heavenly.

The combo of 300mg THH + LSD also makes the beauty & aesthetic enhancement way stronger than LSD alone, and the music sounds much better than LSD alone, it feels very much like when you combine mescaline with LSD, as THH is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline. Very beautiful combination.

This is the same thing that happens when you take 300mg THH orally, then take sublingual HPBCD DMT as well, and re-dose more sublingual HPBCD DMT every 1.5 hour, non stop closed eye colored Ayahuasca visions, as recounted in earlier journeys at top of post, this resulted in 5 hours of non-stop visions all the way till 5am in the morning.

Pic1: Journey 2, 300mg pure THH orally in a capsule 45 minutes before, sublingual 25mg HPBCD harmine freebase in 3 drops hot water 10 minutes before the sublingual 110mg HPBCD DMT freebase in 12 drops hot water.

Pic2: The day the DMT is extracted, pre-make all the 0.5ml 110mg HPBCD DMT doses, and store in many syringes, freeze them, keeps fresh potency forever, never oxidizes this way.
 

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AVA69..

I dont have..a ...[filter disc setup].. you speak of...can i use a funnel and filter with cotton balls to remove enough zinc to make it safe for consumption?




Again i ask... after letting most of the zinc settel to bottom ...can i filter with cotton balls in funnel? as... [professer8] ...sugested using cotton balls instead of coffie filters?


how much does a disc filter setup similar to yours cost at lowest posible price ?

and what is the filter set up you have called?
 
Yes, thanks for questions starway7. It's called a buchner filtration setup, flask and cup, round #101 filtration discs to fit the cup, tubing from hardware store to fit it to the vacuum. You will need a vacuum pump, small erlenmeyer flask with side entry valve, this is your vacuum trap in line with your vacuum pump so your vacuum pump does not get ruined, you don't want run-over liquids entering your pump, they collect in the flask instead, vacuum oil needed too. Buy the book "The organic chem lab survival manual" by James Zubrick, it has pics and shows you how to do all this.
 
110mg fresh just extracted DMT is put onto a spoon, covered with (1:7g ratio to keep at a 1:1 molar ratio) 770mg plain HPBCD, 12 drops of near boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug, mix, mash & scrape it all back and forth on the spoon, using the end of another spoon really hard using your muscles for 2 minutes, then suck up the 0.6ml (12 drop complex) into a 3ml syringe for storage in a freezer, keeps the fresh potency forever, the DMT protected within the HPBCD cavity, and frozen solid, never oxidizes this way, stays as fresh as the day you extract it.

So on the day I extract 2.5g from 170g bark, I go ahead and right after scraping it all up, and allowing it to dry, pre-prepare many individual syringes, and freeze all of them, each with a 0.6ml 110mg HPBCD DMT dose.

If you take a look at the 3ml syringe picture on post #25, notice 12 drops fills it up to 6th click mark.

tic marck 1 = 2 drops = 18.3mg HPBCD DMT (0.1ml)
tic marck 2 = 4 drops = 36.3mg HPBCD DMT (0.2ml)
tic marck 3 = 6 drops = 54.9mg HPBCD DMT (0.3ml)
tic marck 4 = 8 drops = 73.2mg HPBCD DMT (0.4ml)
tic marck 5 = 10 drops = 91.5mg HPBCD DMT (0.5ml)
tic marck 6 = 12 drops = 110mg HPBCD DMT (0.6ml)

This is how I measure my dosage out for sublingual use, once I pull the syringe from the freezer and allow it to quickly defrost at room temp. You can either shoot the dose directly under your tongue, or measure out the dose onto a spoon, then place the bottomside of your tongue onto the spoon, and it will all adhere. Then simply hold dose under tongue, and press it into the sublingual mucosa, it will all dissolve in 15 minutes or less.
 
ava69 said:
Yes, thanks for questions starway7. It's called a buchner filtration setup, flask and cup, round #101 filtration discs to fit the cup, tubing from hardware store to fit it to the vacuum. You will need a vacuum pump, small erlenmeyer flask with side entry valve, this is your vacuum trap in line with your vacuum pump so your vacuum pump does not get ruined, you don't want run-over liquids entering your pump, they collect in the flask instead, vacuum oil needed too. Buy the book "The organic chem lab survival manual" by James Zubrick, it has pics and shows you how to do all this.


dear AVA69..
I know about the mixing for 1.5hours..and chemicles involved...


Is this basicly the way its done [in video below] to filter out the zinc?


Also what fineness of filter would you choose to filter out the zinc/?


in this video...is the white powder what was filtered out?




Can i use a manuel hand pump vacume set up?



[is it posible to use a simpler [cheaper]..gravity filtration method with the right filter discs?]:|



I think the gravity filtration although slower is simple and cheaper route...what do think?


what size of filtration disc should i use? gravity filter?...pressure filter/...vacume filters/

Im guessing ..gravity filters.. if i use the simple gravity method... but how fine of filtration paper discs for zinc dust/?



just found a decent video on converting harmalas to THH below...

[just copy all words below and paste on google search]....it will take you to video...


[copy and paste all words below ..and put on google search]...


How to Reduce Harmaline to Tetrahydroharmine - Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com › how-to-reduce-to-47186323
Feb 5, 2021 — How to Reduce Harmaline to Tetrahydroharmine (Make your own THH) ... Harmalas are legal in the U.S. I trust this seller, quality product at ..
 
Starway7, thanks for videos, will check them out later tonight. However, soon will run some tests to see if after the 1.5 hour spun solution sits for one hour (90% of the zinc dust settles to the bottom) then decant off the solution above the zinc thru 1) coffee filter or 2)cotton ball stuffed into a large automotive funnel to see if either the coffee filter or the cotton ball will remove any remaining zinc dust completely, will let you know my results here then. I am curious to see as well.

Idontknow asked me why so much zinc is used on another forum, this is because the more zinc used, the faster the reaction proceeds, so using 35g to 40g zinc, the reaction is done in 1.5 hour. Would it be possible to make Idontknow a member here who can post? I have seen him reading alot but he just can't post anything. This would be great, I don't have the power do this.

He was also wondering if would do some comparisons of the China made THH with some known pure THH, such as blacklight test, metallic taste test, limited oral test, etc. See what can do, but it will not be right away, some time from now.

Note: magnetic stirrers are much cheaper than they once were, similar price to two movie tickets, look on ***zon, auction or many other places.

Speaking of auctions, ever notice how you can't buy any more psychoactive plants at auction anymore, but they carry every Chinese made necklace, t-shirt, etc. made from it or with a picture of it, materialism at it's finest.

It reminds me of the new "simulated chemistry" classes for many school children nowadays, where no actual lab glass or chemicals are involved, instead it's virtual simulation.
 
I should add that once you have these very fresh just extracted and complexed pre-made frozen syringes made, each with 0.6ml (110mg HPBCD DMT) that they can not only be used under the tongue sublingually, but can just as easily be used in an Ayahuasca tea...

What I have done before is squirt all 110mg HPBCD DMT directly into a 1oz black coffee that already has 140mg of harmine freebase dissolved into it with a bit of crushed vit C, so the harmine freebase dissolves. YES! I have used as little as 140mg harmine freebase to activate the dmt, just as Jonathan Ott found out works (1.5mg/kg threshold activating dose). He found 120mg worked just fine for him, he weighs 175lbs (80kg), I weigh 200lbs (90kg).

I take a capsule of from 150mg to 300mg THH orally around the same time. You can re-dose again later with sublingual HPBCD DMT under the tongue every 1.5 hour, the oral harmine continues to work for 5 hours, to slow down the deamination or oxidation of the DMT in the mitochondria in the brain. I have tripped very hard all evening long (4.5 hours) this way.

There are options is all I'm saying: sublingual or oral.
 
The end summary. Bon Voyage.

pic5: 2.2g fresh new extracted DMT from 170g bark & 20 x 3ml syringes each getting ready to be loaded with 0.6ml = 110mg HPBCD DMT
pic6: 20 syringes each holding 110mg HPBCD DMT for sublingual or oral use, storage in freezer will keep potent indefinitely. I like to use 3 for the evening, 300mg oral THH 45 minutes before, then pull out one syringe holding 110mg HPBCD DMT original dose, squirt under tongue and hold for 15 minutes, and re-dose every 1.5 hour, for 3 total doses = 4.5 hour of very strong effects, identical to 500 to 700mg long lasting mescaline.
pic7: store 20 syringes in freezer in a protein shaker bottle, "syringe tip caps", 1000 for dirt cheap, go on the end to seal syringe, so no leak.

Or can be used by taking from 150mg to 300mg THH in a capsule, then take an Ayahuasca tea made with 1oz hot coffee holding from 140 to 180mg harmine freebase with a bit of vitamin C added to help the harmine absorb should it be in freebase form, then squirt the syringe dosage into the hot 1oz coffee, mix and drink all at the exact same time, just as the Shaman's do. The oral HPBCD DMT is very potent, much stronger than normal DMT freebase or salts used orally, and just as strong as actual 30 to 40g Hawaiian psychotria.
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How to:

110mg fresh just extracted DMT is put onto a spoon, covered with (1:7g ratio to keep at a 1:1 molar ratio) 770mg plain HPBCD, if using instead the 2-HPBCD, then use a 1:8g weight ratio or 880mg 2-HPBCD in order to keep a 1:1 molar ratio.

Then 12 drops of near boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug is added, mix, mash & scrape it all back and forth on the spoon, using the end of another spoon really hard using your muscles for 2 minutes, then suck up the 0.6ml (12 drop complex) into a 3ml syringe for storage in a freezer, keeps the fresh potency forever, the DMT protected within the HPBCD cavity, and frozen solid, never oxidizes this way, stays as fresh as the day you extract it.

So on the day I extract 2.5g from 170g bark, I go ahead and right after scraping it all up, and allowing it to dry, pre-prepare many individual syringes, and freeze all of them, each with a 0.6ml 110mg HPBCD DMT dose.

If you take a look at the 3ml syringe picture, notice 12 drops fills it up to 6th click mark.

tic mark 1 = 2 drops = 18.3mg HPBCD DMT (0.1ml)
tic mark 2 = 4 drops = 36.3mg HPBCD DMT (0.2ml)
tic mark 3 = 6 drops = 54.9mg HPBCD DMT (0.3ml)
tic mark 4 = 8 drops = 73.2mg HPBCD DMT (0.4ml)
tic mark 5 = 10 drops = 91.5mg HPBCD DMT (0.5ml)
tic mark 6 = 12 drops = 110mg HPBCD DMT (0.6ml)

This is how I measure my dosage out for sublingual or oral Ayahuasca use, once I pull the syringe from the freezer, it will quickly defrost at room temp. You can either shoot the dose directly under your tongue, or measure out the dose onto a spoon, then place the bottom side of your tongue onto the spoon, and it will all adhere. Then simply hold dose under tongue, and press it into the sublingual mucosa, it will all dissolve in 15 minutes or less.
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From much experience, can indeed say that THH is very euphoric and creates open-eyed visual "over the top visual beauty enhancement". Hours of closed eye teaching visions when I reach 300mg of pure THH. Note the 300mg dosage entry for THH or tetrahydroharmine in TIHKAL was not done by Dr. Shulgin but by an inexperienced person who equated it to 100mg harmaline. Tetrahydroharmine is nothing like harmaline, it is not sedating or nauseating or even dizzying, but rather stimulating, euphoric, very mescaline-like with diamondlike open eyed beauty enhancement, music enhancement, closed eye way beyond 4k teaching visions for hours on end, it's in the same beta-carboline family as ibogaine.

THH has 10.5 hour half-life with peak at 5.25 hours. When 150mg to 200mg THH is combined with DMT either sublingually or in an Ayahuasca tea with from 140 to 180mg harmine fb, the effects are absolutely stunning, very much identical to high dose mescaline, mescaline like euphoria for hours on end, deep head space, powerful music enhancement, powerful spiritual insights and visions, etc.

THH is an isomer of a hormonal-like substance found in the brain already, and is responsible for the teaching visions and Ayahuasca's telepathic or telepathine properties. I believe it is the "main course" of the Ayahuasca session, it is also able to bring out the "essence" of other plants, and combines extremely well with all sorts of psychedelics to bring out there "essence".

Historical note: one month ago combined 300mg of THH or tetrahydroharmine with 250mcg of acid paper that had been soaked in 1 shot of cold sherry wine for 3 hours in the fridge with hand stirring once an hour in the fridge, to help theoretically or hypothetically convert the LSD to the more colorful & visual and head-space gentle ALD-52 by adduction of the acetaldehyde from the sherry wine to the NH bottom indole position on the LSD (don't try this at home unless you are really advanced, and sure you have very pure THH) and had closed eye bright colored teaching visions all the way from 8pm till midnight.

Much more powerful than LSD visions alone, these were brightly colored Ayahuasca visions. One of the sequence of visions were of a variety of stone carvings with very elaborate artwork and a beautiful woman who stretched out her hand to me to show me magic.

I would need a tape recorder going as I lie in bed for hours to talk into in order to record the hundreds of non-stop animated and static colored visions.

Then at midnight took another 100mg of THH, it brought the visions all back until 4am in the morning! It was almost too much, non-stop hundreds of Ayahuasca visions for hours and hours, I was completely blown away, reminds me of the time I took 300mg THH combined with 60mg sublingual HPBCD DMT every 1.5 hour and had visions from midnight all the way till 5am in the morning also. I would lie in bed watching the colored visions for hours on end listening to music on my headphones, which sounded as if I had taken a high dose cactus tea, very remarkably enhanced, just Heavenly.

The combo of 300mg THH + LSD also makes the beauty & aesthetic enhancement way stronger than LSD alone, and the music sounds much better than LSD alone, it feels very much like when you combine mescaline with LSD, as THH is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline. Very beautiful combination.

Please note: all beginners only use around 150mg to 200mg THH which is what is found average in 1 cup of Ayahuasca tea, only advanced members of the UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian and people like myself drink 2 cups of Ayahausca tea for the evening, which then contains around 300mg THH average.

P.S. Will be able to determine in future whether coffee filters or a cotton ball stuffed into a funnel will work in place of normally used vacuum pump with #101 filtration disc to filter out the remaining floating zinc dust (only around 10% left floating) after the spun solution sits for 1 hour as 90% of the zinc dust falls to very bottom, so solution above it can be decanted off. This would make it very cost efficient and easy for anyone to convert harmaline to THH without all the fancy equipment (buchner filtration flask and cup/filtration paper, vacuum pump).

Harmaline to THH in 1.5 hour, way a chemist does it, see post #12: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
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Update: Now we know why polysaccharides like those in aloe vera leaf and gel or the man-made polysaccharides like HPBCD increase the oral and sublingual absorption of DMT freebase by many factors:

Downwardsfromzero said a while back:
This combined with the HPBCD complexation results (which we really ought to replicate and confirm) makes me wonder whether there are saccharides in leaf brews which perform a similar effect to HPBCD. There is still so much scope for really interesting research here - thanks for posting.
It just so turns out that you were absolutely right! Cyclodextrins such as HPBCD (hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin) are naturally occurring polysaccharides obtained through the enzymatic degradation of starch.

This explains how when HPBCD is complexed to freebase DMT, it is able to not only make it water soluble, but also make it absorb MANY FACTORS BETTER orally than normal DMT freebase or DMT salts.

This is why in my experience, the Ayahuasca tea made with HPBCD DMT is many factors stronger than normal DMT, easy to reach +5 Shulgin strength levels, just like the Hawaiian psychotria made Ayahuasca tea, which in all likely hood may also contain polysaccharides just like aloe vera leaf which explains why the Hawaiian psychotria leaf contained DMT easily reaches +5 Shulgin strength: all encompassing and super-strong. I've taken Hawaiian psychotria over 70 times in Ayahuasca made Caapi tea, and it's always been super potent, much more potent than freebase used DMT or salts in my experience. A world of difference, no comparison. The HPBCD DMT is the same, super potent just like the Hawaiian leaf.

Example from the scientific literature: HPBCD improves oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent.

Guess what else also contains polysaccharides: Aloe vera gel and leaf. Aloe vera gel caused a 3.7 fold increase in the bioavailability of vitamin C in comparison to control (vitamin C administered in water).

The polysaccharide fraction from dehydrated Aloe vera gel (datonmax 700) material could enhance the transport of many drugs across the intestinal rat tissue many factors over, and was statistically significant compared to control.

Aloe vera leaf and gel, due to the polysaccharides open tight junctions and consequently enhance paracellular transport of hydrophilic molecules.

Polysaccharides are the component of aloe vera gel and leaf that is the biologically active component responsible for the greatly increased modulation of drug pharmacokinetics and absorption -- this is concentrated in the polysaccharide components of the aloe vera gel and material.

The paper also shows that Aloe vera has also been shown to significantly enhance the sublingual and buccal permeability of drugs. HPBCD complexed freebase DMT does the same thing, it not only makes the DMT water soluble until it crosses the sublingual membrane, where it is released into the bloodstream as the potent freebase, where it reaches the brain intact in my experience, very potent indeed...

...but HPBCD, being a polysaccharide just like aloe vera gel or leaf, greatly enhances the penetration of the DMT thru the sublingual mucosa under the tongue due to it's potent disruption capabilities of the epithelium layer (only 100 to 200um thick), also discussed in the attached paper.

All of this is covered in the attached paper "Drug Bioavailability Enhancing Agents of Natural Origin (Bioenhancers) that Modulate Drug Membrane Permeation and Pre-Systemic Metabolism" by Bianca Peterson, Morné Weyers , Jan H. Steenekamp, Johan D. Steyn, Chrisna Gouws and Josias H. Hamman.

Last pic: The absorption of drugs through the sublingual mucosa route is 3 to 10 times greater than oral route according to Dr. Narang.

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ava69 I was intrigued by your posts about HPBCD+DMT for sublingual administration, and initially excited about the idea, however in doing more research, it seems quite well documented that HPBCD is in fact toxic to humans (as well as rodents). It's an oddly specific and narrow toxicity, it kills cochlear hairs causing hearing damage.

See: Cyclodextrins and Iatrogenic Hearing Loss: New Drugs with Significant Risk.

"use of HPβCD has been linked to significant hearing loss in several species, including humans. Evidence in mice supports a rapid onset of hearing loss that is dose-dependent. Ototoxicity can occur following central or peripheral drug delivery, with either route resulting in the preferential loss of cochlear outer hair cells (OHCs) within hours of dosing. Inner hair cells and spiral ganglion cells are spared at doses that cause ~85% OHC loss; additionally, no other major organ systems appear adversely affected. Evidence from a first-to-human phase 1 clinical trial mirrors animal studies to a large extent, indicating rapid onset and involvement of OHCs. All patients in the trial experienced some permanent hearing loss, although a temporary loss of function can be observed acutely following drug delivery. The long-term impact of HPβCD use as a maintenance drug, and the mechanism(s) of ototoxicity, are unknown."


There are even some reports of hearing damage in the reviews of the HPβCD products sold on Amazon (despite said products being described as "non-toxic" ). This is potentially extremely important information for people to know before using HPβCD. Many doctors will test your hearing at an annual physical, it would be nice if you had your hearing tested and report back the results.

Reference:
Crumling MA, King KA, Duncan RK. Cyclodextrins and Iatrogenic Hearing Loss: New Drugs with Significant Risk. Front Cell Neurosci. 2017 Nov 8;11:355. doi: 10.3389/fncel.2017.00355. PMID: 29163061; PMCID: PMC5676048.

Hearing loss issue is also mentioned by a doctor here:
and there are numerous references to this problem that come up in a google search.
 
"Cyclodextrins used as excipients" pdf, European Medicines Agency, Oct 9, 2017: under "Kinetics":
Cyclodextrins at high doses can increase drug permeability by direct action on mucosal membranes and enhance drug absorption and/or bioavailability. These effects are possibly caused by solubilisation of membrane lipids through inclusion complexation with cyclodextrins and the ability of cyclodextrins to cause perturbation of membrane integrity. However, unlike detergents, cyclodextrins solubilize membrane components without entering into the membrane, therefore the perturbing effects of cyclodextrins are mild and reversible [7].Cyclodextrins are absorbed poorly via mucosal membranes.
HPBCD enhances the drug permeability of guest complexed drug, but the cyclodextrins themselves are poorly absorbed via the sublingual mucosa.

"Cyclodextrins used as excipients" pdf, European Medicines Agency, Oct 9, 2017: page 5 of 16 under "Oral products, Kinetics":
The oral bioavailability of cyclodextrins is very low in adult animals and humans (0.1–3%), except for RM-β-CD, which has a bioavailability of 12% in rats. Because of their bulky and hydrophilic nature only insignificant amounts of cyclodextrins are absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by passive diffusion [33, 27].
This pharmacology has been used to potentiate these freebase drugs ORALLY as well -- in my experience, this results in an Ayahuasca experience that is strong in potency. Example: HPBCD improves oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent.

I've used HPBCD complexed DMT orally three times stirred into a 1oz hot water tea (it dissolves instantly) with 150 to 300mg THH + 160 to 200mg harmine with a bit of citric acid to help the harmalas dissolve, and it's also way more potent than normal DMT freebase or salts used orally, very reminiscent of my over 70 Hawaiian psychotria brewed leaf teas, very strong & all encompassing. Trip report on page 2, post #25.

But I vastly prefer the oral 150 to 300mg THH + sublingual Ayahuasca (35mg sublingual harmine fb + 60 to 100mg sublingual HPBCD DMT all taken at exact same time under tongue), many times stronger than oral DMT, and zero dizziness or un-easy feelings for me due to only 35mg harmine being used. Highly recommend for sensitive individuals like myself. Very strong & feels great all evening like mescaline, heavenly.

Yes, I have read many studies, Thanks for bringing this to our attention GordoTEK. Cyclodextrin has been linked to some studies in mice at very high doses of 8000 mg/kg s.c. We are not using doses anywhere near that here. I have used HPBCD complexed to pro-hormones for years when pro-hormones were legal and never had any side effects at low level like we are using. Patrick Arnold is the chemist who created hydroxypropyl-beta-cyclodextrin complexed diols such as Cyclo-Diol(TM) and Cyclo-Nordiol(TM) and sold them for nearly 10 years thru his company ERGOPHARM, never any complaints of hearing loss. See part 5 of my paper on his story and bloodwork results. I've used the stuff over 44 times now if you include the number of times I've re-dosed in an evening = 3 total doses for an evening. Had my hearing checked earlier this month as I wanted to see myself if any problems with the low doses I have been using, no different than years ago. If you are concerned, then simply don't use it. Proceed with caution. Use aloe vera gel or leaf instead, or even chitosan, many alternatives, see paper above: File Attachment(s): "Pharmaceutics drug bioavailability enhancing agents", example: Aloe vera gel caused a 3.7 fold increase in the bioavailability of vitamin C in comparison to control (vitamin C administered in water).

2-Hydroxypropyl-β-Cyclodextrin Raises Hearing Threshold in Normal Cats and in Cats With Niemann-Pick Type C Disease


Cats with NPC disease cats showed no increase in hearing threshold after weekly administration of 1000 mg/kg HPβCD (group 7; n = 5) compared with untreated affected cats [group 6; n = 8]. Both cats treated with weekly 4000 mg/kg (group 8; n = 2) showed an increase in hearing threshold and cats treated with weekly 8000 mg/kg (group 9; n = 5) had a statistically significant (p < 0.05) increase in threshold. No waveforms were evoked at the maximum stimulus intensity of 125 dB from two cats treated with every other week intrathecal HPBCD (group 10).

Pic1: Cats with NPC disease cats showed no increase in hearing threshold after weekly administration of 1000 mg/kg HPβCD (group 7; n = 5) compared with untreated affected cats [group 6; n = 8].
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GordoTEK said:
HPBCD is generally considered safe to eat because it gets destroyed in the gut before it can get into your bloodstream.
This is the same as I have read in the article you linked, which I have read twice now.: Cyclodextrins and Iatrogenic Hearing Loss: New Drugs with Significant Risk
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From page 2 under "use of Cyclodextrins":
The α- and β-cyclodextrins do not cross the intestinal barrier in significant amounts and are fermented by gut bacteria or excreted whole; γ-cyclodextrins are metabolized by mammalian α-amylases into linear oligosaccharides. Consequently, cyclodextrins in food or otherwise consumed orally do not usually enter the circulation in significant amounts (Frijlink et al., 1990), and thus are generally safe.
HPBCD can only encapsulate hydrophobic (water-fearing) molecules like freebase DMT, hormones, etc. HPBCD then makes it not only water soluble, but enhances their absorption by many factors. This bears repeating:

At bottom is a pic of 2.2g fresh dmt extracted from 170g bark & the 20 x 3ml syringes I made, each full of 0.6ml (12 drop) complex of HPBCD DMT, each 110mg DMT complexed to 770mg plain HPBCD in 12 drops boiling hot water in 2 minutes time. A box of 100 x 3ml syringes is dirt cheap.

When done, I place a "syringe tip cap" on end so no leakage, 1000 for dirt cheap. I then freeze the syringes until I pull two out for use. I did all these in around an hour while listening to music, hot plate nearby with boiling hot water pyrex dish to get the drops from.

These are completely safe to use orally, I should note, based on the quote above from the subsection on page 2 of linked article "use of cyclodextrins".

The HPBCD complexed DMT is also completely safe to use sublingually, as the HPBCD is poorly absorbed via sublingual mucosa as mentioned above. I've used it sublingually over 44 times over a year, couting the re-doses every 1.5 hour for the evening, always twice re-dose, had my hearing checked after a year at the ENT doctor for around a hundred dollars, and completely normal, no change from years before.

As little as 1.5mg/kg harmine fb can be used as a threshold dose to orally activate DMT, just as Jonathan Ott found worked just fine, he weights 175lbs (80kg), he found 120mg harmine fb to work, I weigh 200lbs (90kg), I found 140mg harmine fb to work. Up this amount to 160mg harmine fb for an 80kg individual, or 180mg for a 90kg individual for very strong activation.

Oral re-dosing can even be done 1 hour to 1.5 hour later as half life of harmine is from 1 to 3 hours, using only 1/2 the dose of oral harmine combined with another dose of HPBCD DMT. I have found this to work very well.

Or you can take a re-dose sublingually under tongue, hold for 15 minutes, it all dissolves, I have found the 2nd 90mg HPBCD DMT re-dose to be +5 Shulgin level strength, the oral harmine is still active for 5 hours to slow down the de-amination or oxidation of the DMT by the mitochondria in the brain, so the sublingual dose was incredible! This was the time with the sublingual dose, where I saw long-lasting geometrics & neon colors on all the walls, prominent after-images in mid-air, colored fractals inside the tracers when I waved my hands, very powerful music-enhancement, a curtain of visuals when walking thru doorway to another room & everything surrounded by neon colored rainbow auras, no anxiety, zero nausea, no dizziness, extremely pleasurable.:love:

Out of the 44 times (counting re-doses) I have taken this stuff, the time described above where I took in June: 300mg THH orally in a capsule at the same time as 90mg HPBCD DMT mixed into 1oz Ayahuasca coffee with 180mg harmine fb, in a single oral dose followed 1.5 hour later by a single 90mg HPBCD DMT sublingual dose, I will never forget, 4 hours of very strong +5 Shulgin level strength journey, extremely powerful and fun as all get out...long lasting afterglow well beyond the 4 hours as well.:love:
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In fact, this is the only way I will continue to use if from now on:

1) take 300mg THH in a capsule, at same time drink 1oz Ayahuasca coffee with 180mg harmine fb with a bit of crushed vit C to help the harmine fb dissolve, along with 90 to 110mg HPBCD DMT, all mixed together and drank at exact same time.

2) then 1.5 hour later: take 90 to 110mg HPBCD DMT sublingually under tongue, it all dissolves in 15 minutes or less. If I do take a re-dose sublingually, as mentioned many times before, I always take 3 potent antioxidants to prevent oxidative stress: 300mg +R-ALA, 1g Vit C, vitamin E.

IMPORTANT! You don't have to re-dose sublingually, you can always just take 1/2 the original harmine dose with another 90 to 110mg HPBCD DMT dose all mixed together one last time in a 1oz hot water or coffee Ayahuasca tea, drink all at the same time, works very well!

No need to ever take any extra THH, as tetrahydroharmine has a 10.5 hour half life with peak at 5.25 hours, it lasts all evening.

Please only use around 150mg THH if you are a beginner, what is found in 1 cup of Ayahuasca.
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Just as aloe vera gel has been shown to increase the oral bioavailability of vitamin C administered in water x 3.7 fold, HPBCD has been shown to improve oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation poorly absored fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent. Both aloe vera gel and HPBCD are able to increase the absorption of many poorly absorbed drugs many factors over.

I have no problem using the HPBCD DMT orally, as I've found it many factors stronger and all-encompassing than normal poorly absorbed DMT freebase or salts used orally (never been able to get over +3 Shulgin level mild effects in over a dozen trials using from 70 to 120mg), in fact, the HPBCD DMT is just as potent and super-strong as using actual 30 to 40g Hawaiian psychotria, easy to achieve +5 Shulgin level strength.

From paper attached to post #254:
Cyclodextrins such as HPBCD (hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin) are naturally occurring polysaccharides obtained through the enzymatic degradation of starch.

Aloe vera gel and leaf also contain polysaccharides. Aloe vera gel caused a 3.7 fold increase in the bioavailability of vitamin C in comparison to control (vitamin C administered in water).

The polysaccharide fraction from dehydrated Aloe vera gel (datonmax 700) material could enhance the transport of many drugs across the intestinal rat tissue many factors over, and was statistically significant compared to control.

Aloe vera leaf and gel, due to the polysaccharides open tight junctions and consequently enhance paracellular transport of hydrophilic molecules.
There were several times I accidentally used too much leaf, almost always close to 40g (usually one time out of every 10 brews) and had to sit in one spot for 1 hour and not move an inch as the open eyed and CEV's were so over-powering, I had to close me eyes and go into a happy place to slow down the visuals, it would have you crying for your mommy it was so strong.

Another reason I believe the psychotria leaf contains these polysaccharides, is that every time when I used to filter the Hawaiian psychotria leaf thru a strainer, then a fine coffee filter mesh basket, then thru cotton balls in a funnel, then boil down the tea to a few oz and put it in fridge, I would the next day see lots of "stringy slimy material" precipitate out of the tea, very visible all throughout the tea, this slimy & stringy possible polysaccharide material travels with the tea no matter how much filtering you do. :thumb_up:

Pic1: Cats with NPC disease cats showed no increase in hearing threshold after weekly administration of 1000 mg/kg HPβCD (group 7; n = 5) compared with untreated affected cats [group 6; n = 8].

pic2: 20 x 3ml syringes, each with 0.6ml (12 drop) 110mg HPBCD DMT liquid complex

pic3: Left: HPBCD polysaccharide obtained from enzymatic degradation of starch, Right: Acemannan is a major polysaccharide component of aloe vera

pic4: Jonathan Ott's Pharmahuasca harmine and DMT strength chart from "Ayahuasca Analogues"

pic5: Late Great DM Turner on mescaline, oral 300mg THH + oral or sublingual 90 to 110mg HPBCD DMT feels just like 600 to 700mg mescaline to me, same divine experience all around.
 

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Journey diary continued here:

JOURNEY #46, 10-4-2021 monday night, post #276, been 10 days since taking anything.

MOST INTENSE +5 Shulgin level journey in 5 months with pics.

300mg pure THH taken in a capsule 45 minutes before, then 30mg harmine fb held under tongue at exact same time as 110mg HPBCD DMT held under tongue, re-dosing two more times with same every 1.5 hour, super strength 4.5 hour experience, like 700mg mescaline, +5 Shulgin level strength for 4.5 hours.

 
Ok so:

1) we can administer the harmala at the same time as the complexed dmt
2) we dont need to complex the harmala
3) freebase harmala works just as good as harmala salt

Correct?
 
someone said:
Ok so:

1) we can administer the harmala at the same time as the complexed dmt
2) we dont need to complex the harmala
3) freebase harmala works just as good as harmala salt

Correct?
Yes, correct. Easy to reach +5 Shulgin life-changing strength this way, and sustain it for 90 minutes. Don't forget the 150 to 300mg THH taken orally 45 minutes before.

What I do is defrost a syringe by dunking it in a mug of 1 minute microwaved water, after 1 minute take syringe out, pull off bottom syringe cap and drop/shoot the desired amount of dosage onto a spoon, add in the 30mg of harmine fb to the spoon, mix it all together, then place bottom side of tongue onto spoon, it will all adhere, hold for 15 minutes, phenomenal strength! I like to use 110mg HPBCD DMT along 30mg harmine fb at same time. Of course, taking 300mg pure THH 45 minutes orally before all this. Half life of thh = 10.5 hours, so 5.25 hours of very strong activity.

I have tried taking the harmine fb sublingually around 10 to 15 minutes before the sublingual HPBCD DMT many times, but the experience is MANY TIMES stronger when you take the sublingual harmine and sublingual HPBCD DMT at the exact same time under tongue, similar to how Ayahuasca is prepared, as the Shaman's do it, all at once.

Post #276 latest journey: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
 
Thanks Someone, excellent summary & writeup!

Tetrahydroharmine + 1-acetaldehyde LSD (similar to ALD-52) combo, like high dose mescaline.

I've moved on from the 300mg oral THH + sublingual HPBCD DMT, onto a 100% oral alternative, no re-dosing necessary every 1.5 hour like with the HPBCD DMT:

I'm not going to totally abandon the sublingual HPBCD DMT, it can still be taken as a 3rd drug under the tongue to add to the already super potent combo below. 2 to 3 alkaloids are of course more potent than one.

In closing, I'm going to post what I believe to be a revolutionary psychedelic combination, and it's dirt cheap compared to the rare and very expensive cactus...but it's just as long-lasting, profound, highly euphoric, visual, neon-colorful, music-enhancing & super deep head space, with zero-anxiety as two feet of fat bridgesii.

300mg THH + 250ug 1-acetaldehyde LSD report (2oz fresh cold sherry wine morning glory extract can substitute as well) :love:

1) The combo of 300mg THH + 1-acetaldehyde LSD makes the beauty & aesthetic enhancement way stronger than LSD alone. Same "over the top" beauty enhancement as high dose cactus tea.

2) The music sounds much better than LSD alone, it feels very much like when you combine mescaline with LSD, as THH is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline.

3) The combo is highly visual & neon-colorful with open eyes, with each of the 3 trips spaced two weeks apart experienced so far have seen neon-red-greens, neon-orange-blues, and even neon-purple-yellows, supercolorful just like high-dose cactus tea.

3) Very beautiful combination. :love: :love: :love:

4) This 300mg THH + 250ug 1-acetaldehyde LSD combo is my absolute favorite, have since used it every 2 weeks x 3 times now...prefer it over everything else. No re-doses necessary as the THH has a 10.5 hour half life with peak at 5.25 hours. Very powerful: Lasts all evening, infinitely beautiful. I've consistently reached +5 Shulgin level strength every time, very life changing experience every time. Super deep head space, Divine to the extreme, heavenly mescaline-like spiritual euphoria for hours on end, no words to describe.
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-->(1) Tetrahydroharmine (THH) + 1-acetaldehyde LSD (identical to ALD-52) trip reports

-->(2) How to theoretically form 1-acetaldehyde LSD from LSD hits, just drop LSD hits into 1 shot fresh just opened cold sherry wine, stir once an hour, keep in fridge at all times for 3 hours as acetaldehyde boils off at room temp, then consume.

The sherry wine is already at ph=4 and contains 10mg acetaldehyde in 18% percent alcohol per shot, conditions the 1992 aldehyde adducts study (paper attached) requires to form the new aldehyde adduct at the bottom NH indole position, which readily accepts adducts.

The table from Sandoz labs suggested that ALD-52 (also discovered by Albert Hofmann) might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced brain waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state. ALD-52 also has twice the anti-serotonin or serotonin blocking power of normal LSD.

Note (1): Make sure your sherry wine is fresh & cold before you use it, it contains 10 mg acetaldehyde per 30ml or 1 shot glass. Acetaldehyde boils off at 68 degrees F, or slightly below room temp, so keep one shot glass of it in fridge at all times until you consume.

Note (2): There is a less than ten dollar wine preservation canister available that will prevent oxidation of the wine, instead a bottle of sherry wine will last several months instead of just a few days. This way the natural precious high levels of acetaldehyde in the sherry wine will not oxidize to acetic acid over several day's time. The canister replaces the oxygen that seeps into an open bottle with a balanced mixture of carbon dioxide, nitrogen and argon to keep wine fresh: just look up "private preserve wine preservation system", less than ten dollars, *mazon and others carry it.

step 1) Fill a shot glass up all the way with dry fridge cold just-opened fresh sherry wine. Sherry wine is already at ph=4 which is what study calls for, and contains the acetaldehyde (5mg avg. per 15ml) we need like the study.

step 2) Drop 2 hits of 100ug acid (or your preferred dosage) into shot glass.

step 3) Put a foil cover tightly on shot glass and let sit in fridge. I like to use a double size shot glass so that when I swirl the contents, no spill over. You can swirl by hand or use end of a spoon to stir.

step 4) Swirl the shot glass once per hour for at least 30 seconds, the researchers used a stir mantel in the fridge, and achieved 100% new product creation in 1.5 hour, but since we are not using a stir mantle, swirl once per hour. This works just as well, trust me.

step 5) After 3 hours sitting in fridge, consume, sit back & enjoy the brand new experience of 1-acetaldehyde LSD, or what is similar to ALD-52 with one extra hydrogen at the bottom indole NH group.

LSH (C18 H21 N3 O) + acetaldehyde (C2 H4 O) at bottom indole NH group = 1-acetaldehyde LSH
LSD (C20 H25 N3 O) + acetal (C2 H3 O) at bottom indole NH group = 1-acetal LSD (C22 H28 N3 O2) or what is nearly identical to ALD-52 (C22 H27 N3 02)

Combine a dosage of 150mg to 300mg THH with the 1-acetaldehyde LSD taken at the same time, it will feel just like high-dose cactus tea. I prefer to use 300mg pure THH. Only use 150mg to 200mg THH if you are a beginner.

Vecktor (advanced chemist):
Ava69, You have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity, for example on the now defunct blacklight site there was TLC posted of morning glory seed extract treated with methanol, acetaldehyde-methanol or with acetaldehyde-methanol-water, the extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.
-->(3) A way to make tetrahydroharmine
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-->(1) Tetrahydroharmine (THH) + 1-acetaldehyde LSD (identical to ALD-52) trip reports:

If you don't have LSD, then just substitute a 2oz fresh fridge cold just opened sherry wine extract of morning glory as explained with pics in post #78:

hxxps://mycotopia.net/topic/110273-new-research-morning-glory-contains-5-stimulating-lsd-like-drugs-soluble-only-in-winealcohol-only-sparingly-soluble-in-water/page-4

I have used this combination x 3 times, every 2 weeks, ranks up there with the most profound entheogenic experiences I have ever experienced, just as strong, long-lasting, visual, super neon-colorful & music-enhancing as two feet super fat bridgesii cactus, and I've drank cactus tea over 200 times now.

I used to spend hundred of dollars a year drinking cactus tea all year long, at least twice a month, this method is an identical replacement in my humble opinion, and lasts all evening with super long afterglow, very similar to 600+ mg of mescaline, and dirt cheap compared to the rare and very expensive cactus which is only becoming more scarce as time goes on due to demand and less growers.

This is the infinitely beautiful combination of tetrahydroharmine or THH with 1-acetaldehyde LSD (identical to ALD-52).

THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, best kept secret in the psychedelic world, it combines extremely well with other psychedelics and brings out there essence.

THH can be combined with other "oral psychedelics".

Note: THH is NOT an MAOI, she (feminine spirit) is a psychedelic SRI or serotonin reuptake inhibitor just like the following psychedelic serotonin reuptake inhibitors: mescaline, LSD, shrooms, ibogaine.

Make sure your THH is pure and not contaminated with unconverted harmaline (which is a RIMA/maoi). Dab some THH on a wet cue tip, rub on paper plate, hold under blacklight, if it glows blue you have THH, if any green glow, you have harmaline in it, keep in mind harmine also glows blue too though.

THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, not only does it block serotonin like mescaline, LSD & shrooms, but it agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors just like mescaline, which are associated with beauty & aesthetics appreciation, beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included.

Actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon caricatures of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.

Music will sound bad-ass incredible (way beyond LSD enhancement) only if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your 1-acetaldehyde LSD. Take them both orally at the same time.

300mg THH + 250ug 1-acetaldehyde LSD report (2oz fresh sherry wine morning glory extract can substitute as well):

One month ago combined 300mg of THH or tetrahydroharmine with 250mcg of acid paper that had been soaked in 1 shot of fresh just opened cold sherry wine for 3 hours in the fridge with hand stirring once an hour in the fridge for 30 seconds, to help theoretically or hypothetically convert the LSD to the more neon-colorful & visual and head-space gentle (zero-anxiety but still super-deep head space) 1-acetaldehyde LSD or nearly identical to ALD-52 by adduction of the acetaldehyde from the sherry wine to the NH bottom indole position on the LSD (don't try this at home unless you are really advanced, and sure you have very pure THH) and had closed eye bright colored teaching visions all the way from 8pm till midnight.

Much more powerful than LSD visions alone, these were brightly colored Ayahuasca visions. One of the sequence of visions were of a variety of stone carvings with very elaborate artwork and a beautiful woman who stretched out her hand to me to show me magic.

I would need a tape recorder going for hours to talk into in order to record the hundreds of non-stop CEV animated and static colored visions.

Then at midnight took another 100mg of THH, it brought the visions all back until 4am in the morning! Non-stop hundreds of Ayahuasca visions for hours and hours, I was completely blown away, and listening to music on my headphones, which sounded as if I had taken a high dose cactus tea, very remarkably enhanced, just Heavenly.

Where just LSD and psilocybin alone heighten and clarify the sense of hearing, the combo of 300mg THH + 250ug 1-acetaldehyde LSD produces auditory hallucinations, heightening the hearing sense but also causing sounds to be quite different than normal. Music sounds as if you were an extraterrestrial being, immersing yourself in new sensory phenomena for the first time. Each instrument stands out on it's own, every track heard as if experienced for the very first time.

This combo experience is much more visual than mushrooms or acid. This is very much like the combo of mescaline with a more visual, colorful & stronger version of LSD (1-acetaldehyde LSD). It's like a ZERO anxiety LSD with a very deep head space. Love Love

The combo experience makes the music sound just as good as using two feet fat bridgesii cactus tea. As I was watching a movie, all the actresses looked like glowing, dazzling, super beautiful-colorful cartoon caricatures of themselves, and the euphoria way over the top...all the colors in the movie poured over into the room and onto the walls, forming alternating neon colors on all the walls, incredibly beautiful. I saw colors on the wall that did not belong on this earth such as neon purple-yellow! I still can't stop thinking about this weeks later, the most beautiful colors I have ever seen.

Please note: all beginners only use around 150mg to 200mg THH which is what is found average in 1 cup of Ayahuasca tea, only advanced members of the UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian and people like myself drink 2 cups of Ayahausca tea for the evening, which then contains around 300mg THH average.
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-->(2) How to theoretically form 1-acetaldehyde LSD from LSD hits:

1-acetaldehyde LSD (nearly identical to ALD-52) will theoretically form when you drop hits of LSD into 1 shot of fridge cold just opened sherry wine, stir once an hour for 3 hours, keep in fridge at all times, as acetaldehyde boils off at room temp or 69 degree F, then consume...all explained below:

Sherry wine is high in acetaldehyde (10mg per 30ml or shot glass). This serves as an advantage...why is this possibly important?
hxxps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC49935/

Page 8441:
Reaction of Indole with Acetaldehyde: A 0.2% solution of indole in equal amounts of water, ethanol, and acetaldehyde formed a product with 60% yield after 1 hour of reaction at ambient temperature. Omitting the ethanol (50% acetaldehyde in water mixture) had no effect.

Decreasing the concentration of acetaldehyde to 0.1% increased the reaction rate and percent yield of product.
See pic of the researcher's indole + acetaldehyde adduct product formed before (page 8439) and after (page 8441).

The researchers achieved a new product with or without the use of ethanol, it made no difference, you only need water acidified to around ph=4 and around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution, and around a 3 hour soak time for 100% conversion.

Sherry wine fits the bill perfectly with it's high acetaldehyde content, and low ph, which is already at ph=4, just like the study calls for. The researchers stated "the lower the PH, the faster the reaction (indole adduct formation at the NH group)." It contains the perfect amount of acetaldehyde as well, in an alcoholic medium no less.

It is quite possible that 1-acetaldehyde LSH and 1-acetaldehyde penniclavine produce stronger visual trips with zero anxiety. This has been my experience with the seed solution and also my experience when converting 3 x 100ug blotters of LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD (have done this over 10 times already spaced at least two weeks apart during the past two years), also confirmed recently by Namaste at the Shroomery to work for him as well, now his preferred method of consuming LSD as well.

Once you know your morning glory seeds are potent, you could also throw in a blotter or more of LSD into the sherry wine/morning glory seed solution soaking in the fridge for 3 hours, not only will this convert the LSD to the more visual, colorful and anxiety free 1-acetaldehyde LSD but it can result in a trip way beyond normal LSD. Example below:

Dragonrider:
I have also experimented with morning glory seeds a lot. A couple of times the seeds came very close to LSD. I have combined morning glory seeds with other psychedelics. On a few occasions, they boosted the effects of psychedelics enormously and very few seeds where actually needed to create this effect.

Once a mere 30 seeds were enough to cause an overwhelming OBE on LSD, paired with the most insane visuals and a defragmentation of the mind like i have never experienced ever since. I am convinced that there is a substance in fresh morning glories, and maybe it is LSH or penniclavine, that modulates receptors that are being activated by psychedelics in such a way that it can boost the effects of other psychedelics.
How 1-acetaldehyde LSD is different from LSD:

1) You know how acid has that sudden drop off then you are back to sobriety? Instead, this lasts longer than acid and has a warm gentle transition back over a longer period. The come up is also gradual and smooth similar to cactus.

2) 1-acetaldehyde LSD is way more colorful than acid, similar to mescaline.

3) 1-acetaldehyde LSD does not have the "visual choppiness" of acid, but is flowing in the visuals.

4) LSD produces tracers with multiples of shadows of the hand, this produces not only tracers, but colored fractals and mosaics inside the tracers.

5) LSD produces "colored specs that flow in front of everything", this produces instead "fine colored rainbow reflections" that surround everything.

6) Music sounds good on acid, but music sounds great on this, like a whole nother world, similar to mescaline.

7) With 1-acetaldehyde LSD, everything seems alive and magical. Patterns & neon colors form everywhere, the shifting of textures is magical. You can lose yourself easily as the visuals seem to drag your focus in without any effort. As a result, ego death is basically spontaneous.

8] Sometimes LSD causes wandering thoughts & can seem abrasively analytical but with 1-acetaldehyde LSD there is no wandering thoughts, no tenseness or anxiety like with acid, this is deep mentally, a real gem, pure psychedelic bliss. LSD feels man-made, this feels very primitive, archaic and natural.

9) 300ug of 1-aceteldehyde LSD makes 400g of fresh boiled thick bridgesii cactus pieces (no core, approximately 400mg mescaline) feel instead like 700mg of mescaline. I think this has to do with the possibility that 1-acetaldehyde LSD shifts the receptorome or radioligand binding of receptors "slightly away from 5-ht2a" and stronger towards the adrenal A2A, A2B, and A2C spectrum instead. This adrenal spectrum (A2A-A2C) is also the stronger dominance or habitat as well for mescaline & dmt & psilocin when compared to 5-ht2a, which is only midway on the spectrum, with the adrenal spectrum (associated with beauty & aesthetic enhancement) being more dominant with all these natural entheogens.

10) It is not a sacrilege to convert LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD cause Albert Hofmann also discovered ALD-52 at Sandoz labs. This is different from ALD-52 cause it has one extra hydrogen on the acetaldehyde adduct at the bottom indole NH group nitrogen.

12) LSD is more "analytical" and not as aesthetic, this feels more natural and is extremely aesthetic (beauty enhancing) like with mescaline.

Sample ALD-52 trip report:

hxxps://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/4ynu/highly_underestimated_ald52/
Yes, I realize it's not technically LSD but really, it might as well be. I took 300ug thinking it would be mild if anything. Granted it wasn't as intense mentally as LSD can sometimes be, but conceptually and aesthetically it is beautiful beyond anything I ever anticipated. I feel perfect. At one. Better than I've felt in so long. I thought I could never trip again on anything but this is honestly paradigm changing for me. ALD-52 should be considered just as powerful as LSD-25 although it's a lot more relaxed and somewhat forgiving. As it is probably apparent I'm still very deep into this experience and I hope this to be an open discussion to anyone who would like to be involved.

My god, I just went through multiple ego death experiences beyond anything I've ever experienced from LSD before. There are no words. I mean there are plenty of "words" but none of them mean a single thing compared to any of THAT. Dear GOD. I never expected anything like this, but I sure as hell needed it. Even if I'm the only one here to express it to, as that's realistically the truth of nature anyhow. However, anyone who felt compelled to actually read through all this insanity, I just want you to know you're beautiful and you are everything. All things are right and they always will be.

Anyway, as far as the ALD-52, I took 300ug as I said. It was amazing and stronger than I expected, however I don't think 100ug would be very eventful to be perfectly honest. If you're concerned about it being too strong 200 might be worth it but 300 was really a great amount if you ask me. Even if you haven't taken any lysergamides before ALD-52 is rather calm compared to LSD or even mushrooms for the most part. Visually though, at least for me, it was absolutely breathtaking. Colors and textures were shifting like crazy.

Everything was alive and magical. Patterns were forming everywhere. I could lose myself so easily as the visuals seemed to drag my focus in without any effort. As a result, ego death was basically automatic and I reached that point multiple times. The first time I ever experienced ego death on LSD it left me with this beautiful feeling, like a deep inner glow that lasted for months afterwards. It eventually faded and I hadn't felt anything quite like it in years, but ALD-52 brought it back, and I feel like I've awakened from a spiritual coma.

Another thing is LSD sometimes causes my mind to wander uncontrollably unless I take my own initiative to focus, especially during the come up which can also sometimes fill me with restless confusion. Once I peak everything usually evens out, but ALD-52 put me in a state of perfect clarity from beginning to end. The come up was so smooth and comfortable.

I didn't notice the come down because I actually went to sleep when I felt like it was time to do so, which was an interesting surprise. Every time I've taken LSD I've had to let it run its entire course before even attempting to sleep. Often I would have to stay up for the entire day after which is obviously physically and mentally exhausting. But once I felt like the ALD-52 had made its point I went to sleep just like any other day, and woke up the next morning fully rested and mentally clear.

Overall, it felt very natural and I never had a single moment of uncomfortability or confusion. Just pure psychedelic bliss. I mean, I've had some amazing and extremely important experiences on LSD but honestly after the other night, think I prefer ALD-52. It felt like tripping for the first time again.
Random comments found on reddit to back up my dozen experiences with 1-acetaldehyde LSD (nearly identical to ALD-52) over two years:

1) Pandemoon said:
I dosed ALD52 like 100+ times throughout the last 4 or 5 years, in doses between 25ug and 350ug.

While ALD52 is very similar to LSD25, I think I can still see a slight difference. To me the visuals are different, especially the tracers. I can clearly see a difference there.

With 200ug+ of ALD52, when I move my hand it shows some very colorfull spirals and fractals in the tracer /smearing.

While with LSD25 it is just a mirroring effect that shows several of my hands. Not nearly as colorfull, just a non colored shadow (or several) of the real hand.

With ALD52 it's much more colorfull and intense, like painting the air with rainbow colors.

100ug or even 150ug don't really show a difference at all to LSD25, but with 300ug and above (my highest dose was 350ug) the differences are even more intense.

With 350ug I can hardly see reality anymore due to all those colorfull reflections of anything I look at.

I think the higher the dose the clearer the differences.
2) ALD-52 is probably most similar to LSD relative to the other analogues (of which I have only tried ALD-52). The headspace is markedly psychedelic, it lasts 12 hours and the visuals are prominent enough. They seemed to take on a more flowing characteristic than LSD, to where I'd see objects form within the patterns.

3) I find it has a more mellow vibe than LSD, I'm more content to sit back and relax whereas 1p is supposedly closer to the electricity of LSD.

4) For what it's worth, I found the come down of ALD-52 to be better than LSD... it just felt more refreshing, like a warm hug and it tapers off gently whereas LSD is more of a sudden drop off into sobriety, but the actual peak of LSD feels more... alive to me. like my consciousness is oscillating at a super high vibration.

5) ALD-52 is more euphoric than LSD-25 or 1p, and I find it's also less prone to creating anxiety. Because of this, I feel like I can take much higher doses and go much deeper. I took 5 tabs and experienced absolutely no anxiety at all. I don't think I would have been able to to do the same with 25 or 1p.

6) Hmmm. I seem to get much more euphoria from ALD-52 over 1p. But yes, the anxiety levels are consistently low with this chemical. ALD-52 is an absolute gem.

7) Agree. I feel like it's a subtle power, not as forceful as 1p. But there's genuine depth to it.
I'll be the first to admit it may be placebo, but I also favor ALD-52 for this reason.

8] I am very fond of ALD-52 as well! For me, the headspace was very much like LSD#25; however, I felt like the former of the two had potential for a really crazy headspace. ALD-52 also had me seeing three different colors that I'd never seen in my life. I saw red-greens, orange-blues, and of course the fucking purple-yellows.

9) NoticesMemesOwO:
ALD is MUCH calmer than 1P in every way. 1P tends to have a shitload of anxiety on the come up and tachycardia for me and my group of friends. Its very visual but also very scary at times. especially at high doses. ALD is the best IMO. I prefer it over the real thing honestly. At high doses it was very tame, had a great visual set, and no anxiety at all. very welcoming in the way it gets you. I would pick ALD all day long, and i could take or leave 1P in all honesty.

10) Doubledog said:
My friends had some ALD52 blotters few years ago and described it as slightly more visual, and not so stimulating, and as upgraded version of LSD, but with just small difference.
11) Namaste from Shroomery said:
I think you're on to something here. The 1-acetaldehyde LSD I made following your instructions in 1 shot of sherry wine in the fridge with stirring once per hour was extremely chill. Soft around the edges. When I started coming down, it felt like 10 years of therapy.

I remembered good times, felt compassion. Listened to music I haven't listened to in years. Thought about friends, was at peace in a way that I haven't felt before.

The stars formed into animated constellations. My Bodhi statue began to juggle. I saw the Perseidies meteors not just out of the corner of my eyes but right over my face while lying in a hammock. Saw the entire movement from start to finish. They looked like giant arrows.

Stayed awake all day, went out to visit friends. It was very happy nostalgia. Sometimes larger doses make me totally black out. Not this time, I was awake and aware. No primal fear or paranoia.

Felt like I was still peaking seven hours after dropping. Sometimes I get a cracked out, confused feeling, not this time.

Haven't seen neon colors like that since the one and only time I was puddled.

Sunday's are generally filled with dread and depression for the following week. Experienced none of that. Just a long lasting afterglow. Still in a great mood now. I did get a pretty severe headache but I also drink like it's my job, and I am on a SSRI.

Been thinking about Ephesus and Pergamon, not sure if thats subliminal or coincidence. 🤷

Going to wait 3-4 months and repeat.

Give this a go!
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-->(3) A way to make tetrahydroharmine

Pic 2: Once you get to the end of your rue extraction, dissolve the rue hcl extract into 115 degree F water on a stir mantel, and as the stir mantel spins....you want to slowly bring the ph of the water up to exactly 7.0 with drops of 10% ammonia (from hardware store, the industrial janitorial version)...at 7.0 only the harmine will fall out, collect over vacuum filter...then raise ph to 8.0 and collect a small middle fraction, which you will want to set aside as it is a mix of some harmaline with some harmine...keep this fraction to add back in the future when you do another rue extract...now collect the 3rd fraction, which is the harmaline only at ph=8.0 and above.

I prefer using 10% ammonia from hardware store (janitorial). Super good PH meter: Apera Instruments ph20 ph meter.

Now once you have your harmaline freebase...

1) place 10.5 grams of harmaline in a 1 liter pyrex cup style glass
2) add 900ml vinegar
3) add 40g zinc dust (from pyrotechnic places) in the pyrex glass too, use 40g zinc dust per each 10.5 grams of harmaline. You will see tiny hydrogen bubbles rise to the surface.
5) place beaker solution on a magnetic stirrer with stir rod and spin entire solution slowly
6) spin for 1.5 hour, the solution will turn from green to a transparent like color after 1.5 hour, use end of cotton q tip to place in solution and dab on paper plate in front of blacklight, it will now glow blue when transition is done...

7) once done with spin, let the solution sit for 1 hour, most (99%) of the zinc dust will settle to bottom, then filter solution over a #101 9cm filter disc fitted to a vacuum flask with vacuum trap in series with your vacuum pump, this will give you a transparent golden color liquid, use this solution for next step.

Throw away the zinc dust you just collected on filter disc (be careful, don't throw zinc on top aluminum foil in garbage or it will smoke due to hydrogen loaded zinc, best to put used zinc in a baggie with water to keep it moist, keep away from aluminum).

The pump/vacuum filter flask & filter disc will remove 100% of any zinc dust. so in other words, filter pyrex beaker solution (takes out the zinc dust) over a #101 9cm filter disc fitted inside a vacuum filtration flask hooked up to a vacuum pump, with a small vacuum trap in series, in-between the filtration flask and the pump. A good pump is JB platinum DV-142N 5 CFM heavy duty vacuum pump.

Cool you are left with a 100% clear transparent with just a touch of golden very light yellow color with no zinc dust at all...now add (80ml of 10% janitorial ammonia per 2g of harmaline)...so this means add 400ml of the 10% ammonia to your solution...you will immediately see the thh crash out of solution as a white powder, place mason jar in fridge for 3 hours, the crystals will all be seen at bottom of mason jar.

9) you will collect 7.5 grams of pure white THH freebase on the filter disc sitting in your vacuum filtration flask once you pour fridge cold solution over a #101 9cm filter disc in your vacuum pump, rinse THH with some cold water. put filter disc of thh in a pyrex tray, scrape off and dry under fan...pure white.

10) always this will happen: exactly 75% is the yield, as I don't know why this is so...but it's a great yield still. Even in TIHKAL, the yield was similar, right at 75% as well.

11) The more zinc you use, the faster the reaction progresses, so 35 to 40g zinc means the reaction is finished by 1.5 hour.

I've looked at the #101 filter after filtration, hardly anything at all on it, truly only 1% of the zinc dust remains to be filtered after sitting for 1 hour.

If you don't have a vacuum pump/filtration setup: Personally, I believe the cotton ball in a funnel to be one of the greatest inventions of all time--and think it would work just fine for filtering out the remaining 1% zinc dust, remember 99% of the zinc dust falls to the bottom already after sitting for 1 hour after the spin mantel is turned off. What you are filtering is actually the 1% of zinc dust from the very bottom after sitting that get's kicked up back into the solution as you are decanting it off.

12) This THH at 300mg is extremely visual, it's an isomer of a hormone like substance made in the brain naturally. With eyes closed for several hours are seen endless slow and high speed motion movies of nature, architecture, culture, history, the future, way beyond LSD or mescaline visuals...very realistic, mind-blowing...and with open eyes, beauty is extreme (over the top) and there is spiritual joy.

Attached paper: Austin 1994 Tryptophan analogues form adducts by cooperative reaction with aldehydes and alcohols.pdf
pic 1: a way to make tetrahydroharmine
pic 2: rue hcl dissolved into 115 degree F water
pic 3: steps in the fresh just opened cold sherry wine morning glory extraction, see post #78 with pics:
 

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