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Iboga + Piracetam

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Shiva_Trooper

Shiva_Trooper

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Hi there. I'm reader of this forum for a while.
I'm newbie on this forum as registered user, and not allowed to post in iboga thread. Why?

Anyway, I have really important question.

How can affect piracetam usage on iboga trip.
As I know piracetam expand power psychedelic triptamines and LSD25.
And you mention, that it diminish Ketamine trip deepness.
And do nothing to opioid.

Ibogaine affect every type of this receptors..? If so, how can it interact with piracetam. Logically it can be presumed, that it prolong visuals and prevent you from dissociation.

Did your know somebody, who tried this combination? Any opinions?
 
Not only the effect of piracetam varies from person to person by itself, the combination of piracetam and anything psychoactive is unrealistic to predict. From no effect to potentiation to reduced visuals etc... Although I've never seen anything negative on Piracetam&psychoactives.
 
Welcome to the DMT-Nexus Shiva-Trooper,

You can only post in the Welcome Area until you've contributed a bit around the forum and we promote you to full memberships.

As for nootropics + Iboga, I haven't heard of anybody trying this combination. If you do it, start with a low dose for safety precaution and work your way up.
 
John Smith said:
Not only the effect of piracetam varies from person to person by itself, the combination of piracetam and anything psychoactive is unrealistic to predict. From no effect to potentiation to reduced visuals etc... Although I've never seen anything negative on Piracetam&psychoactives.
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SWIM have very good experiences with piracetam + everything he tried in that time (ayahuasca, LSD25, shrooms, MDMA).

But he didn't even try any dissociative and salvia in amount time, when he use piracetam. So he can't be sure how it can affect so complex substance, as iboga.


۩, thanks for welcome and explanation.
 
You can never know with iboga how it´s gonna react with something like piracetam. Personally, i would be very carefull. Iboga is serious stuff and rather unpredictable regarding it´s interactions with other substances. Yould should try a small dose of iboga first.
 
Coincidences abound! Swear I was going to ask this after reading the low dose report, good question shiva I was just wondering that very thing! Did the piracetam effect your ayahuasca shiva? Obvious thing is to try low doses, I don't think 100mg would do much to me, definitely get a glow from 250 but barely noticeable, I may try this in the new year, if you try it shiva please post your findings and I'll do the same! My rootbarks been lying in a box for a good few months, does it lose potency??
 
Thanks for your effort, polytrip.
Cat of my grandma (you can see it on my avatar :lol: ) decided to go on with pure iboga experience. It will be initiation with 7.5g root bark. It's kind of trip, like cat always do - transform or die. It will be one attempt and there is no way to joke around with combinations. Especially, if no one can tell, that he tried it before. 😉

So cat will drink water, but will not eat any food/medicine for 36 hours and clean it's mind and body for pure experience. Then iboga will be taken.
Is there any importance of time to start trip? I think good refreshing night dream before trip is always good. So newbie cat plan to take it in the morning. But maybe iboga do prefer night more...?

Infinite I - huge dosage of piracetam prolong ayahuasca trip a little bit.
It's like do injection with 5 ml (1000mg) of piracetam right after take ayahuasca, and then drink 5 ml again after 4 hours of trip, when you will be able. You know this jump ups from deepness, when you think it's over, but it's just a pause. 😉 So you have everything to be arranged near you to drink piracetam fast, and little water to drink after.

With all psychedelics taken, piracetam works like give your mind more focus and awareness. Also it helps a lot to keep every lesson in memory.
 
Cat of grandma told me this story, and asked to post it.
"I did mistake. 7.5g was too low dosage for me to get strong psychedelic experience. I tried to relax and meditate, but it seems, that iboga has strong stimulator potential on this dosage, so it was really difficult. I feel energy waves in my body, colors become more vivid, and blood pressure was low... That's all.
After +2.5Hours of almost nothing, I did 400mg caffeine + 1000mg piracetam! +3:00H I closed eyes and saw set of very detailed pictures. There was faces and places I have never seen before. After 10 minutes visions gone and don't back.
So it's possible to mix with low dosage, but I don't sure about effects. I can only suggest that mix can boost visuals.

I was really depressed for 2 days, because I expected much more, and this experience was big disappointment. :evil:

But on third day there was understanding of your words, ۩.
۩ said:
Enjoy it, for it is your last as your previous self.
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Iboga have changed bio-chemistry of my brain. I was always high-dopamine guy - massive flow of thoughts, difficult to concentrate, difficult to fall asleep, high heart rate. I tried to manage it with meditations and breathing techniques with subtle success. But after iboga everything is changed. I found myself much more relaxed and concentrated. Hurricane of thoughts don't bother me anymore. I do really enjoy everything what I'm doing, and beauty of world give me pleasure. :)

It's like I always was on depression and didn't know about it, and viola - it's gone! Thoughts about taking any drugs and hypersexuality are gone too. What a relief. My gf said that I have constriction of the pupils, and it's true (still, after 5 days!).
It seems Iboga can be very helpful even without huge psychedelic effects. :shock: "
 
I may or may not be correct because a large number of factors are involved but in my experience piracetam inhibited the effects of iboga root bark. I have experimented with iboga alone and with piracetam & rue. The latter produced a far less psychedelic experience, far more edgy.


Again, there were many many factors involved and it is very difficult to say. For all I know it could have actually boosted it but been negated by the other factors. Who knows! It's worth a try nonetheless.
 
If you didn´t have powerfull psychedelic effects at 7.5 grams of rootbark, you must be a hardhead when it comes to iboga...most people would be tripping heavily at that dose.
 
embracethevoid said:
I may or may not be correct because a large number of factors are involved but in my experience piracetam inhibited the effects of iboga root bark. I have experimented with iboga alone and with piracetam & rue. The latter produced a far less psychedelic experience, far more edgy.
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Thank you! That what I want to hear. Now we have some kind of experimental base. Maybe, Infinite I will add some output. And I can then summarize everything in first message.

polytrip said:
If you didn´t have powerful psychedelic effects at 7.5 grams of rootbark, you must be a hardhead when it comes to iboga...most people would be tripping heavily at that dose.
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Maybe you are right. But maybe iboga was not strong. Another guy have eaten same rootbark, same amount and fall asleep after 2 hours of waiting for effects. :d He got high brightness of everything like on very small dosage of DMT.

My receptors was clean, I didn't take ANY mind changing substances for 4 month. There was set of effects from iboga, but it was too subtle. Let's say - I could walk without any difficulties at every hour of iboga intoxication.

After fail trip, I did some research and have found this info:
1. Tabernanthe iboga - 6 to 10 g/kg of ibogaine from Iboga, depending on samples.
So there can be 45 to 75 mg in 7.5 g.
If your weight is 75 kg - it's only 0.5-1 mg/kg which is too low to be correct.
Another source tell it can be 4% of ibogaine. It sounds more like reality. And it means that dosage was too low. (4 mg/kg in case of 75kg body-weight).

In clinics which treat drug addicts they do 10-30 mg/kg. I saw movie about Bwiti initialization "Iboga - Les hommes du bois sacre". THEY EAT A LOT!
Polytrip, you wrote somewhere that you had to eat 12,5g at first time for breakthrough.

So if we'll try again, we will use 15-20g. And will eat it slowly (start with 7.5g) with 2H delay, to find out power of new root-bark. Maybe, it will be extracted. In movie dr.shaman have said, that usage of bark is wrong, it hurt people stomach(gut) :lol:

Are my conclusions about dosage correct?
 
Yes, for an iboga breakthrough you need more than 7.5 grams, but i already start having hallucinations and LSD-like effects at 5 grams of the stuff. And the bwiti...well, to be honest i don´t think i will ever consume the amounts they do.

You realy have to be willing to die to do that.
Iboga initiations are literally death-serious.

But you´ll see for yourself, cheers:wink:
 
polytrip said:
Yes, for an iboga breakthrough you need more than 7.5 grams, but i already start having hallucinations and LSD-like effects at 5 grams of the stuff. And the bwiti...well, to be honest i don´t think i will ever consume the amounts they do.

You realy have to be willing to die to do that.
Iboga initiations are literally death-serious.

But you´ll see for yourself, cheers:wink:
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Death is too much far trip to be honest. :lol:

That is what I expected.

But good thing about iboga - it give you ability to increase amount of stuff in your blood slowly, at some point you just can't take more, I guess :lol:




chemisch said:
Piracetam can you explain further? or give me good information
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chemisch, all info about piracetam can be googled. From personal experience of some cat, I can tell you, that dosage of piracetam 1000mg+ can have impact on experience with psychoactive substances.
Meth - 2x
MDMA - 1.7x
Caffeine - 1.5x :lol:
LSD - 1.4x
Ayahuasca or shrooms - 1.2x (subtle)
Iboga - ??
It means you can use lower dosage and get same effect. It help also you to keep in memory more lessons which you get in trip.

Another good thing of piracetam - it can give you much more from binaural audio programs like hemi-sync, e.t.c.
 
Just to prevent misunderstandings: you don´t have to die....you just have to be totally ready to die when you take the amounts the bwiti consume:lol: . I personally don´t think i´ll ever do anything over 25 grams of rootbark.
 
May I recommend that instead of testing with a flood dose, you test with lower doses spaced wide apart for several reasons:

* Ibogaine metabolites stay in the body for up to a month post ingestion and their SSRI effects potentiate further usage of iboga meaning less is required to achieve the same headspace
* Ibogaine trips vary more with larger doses in the same fashion as all other hallucinogens in that lower doses have a generally predictable set of effects whereas higher doses bring out the nuances of an individual's biochemistry
* If potentiation occurs with piracetam then a lower dose will be markedly different to a higher dose: 5g behaving as 8g is more pronounced than 25g behaving as 30g or even 40g
* Conversely if inhibition occurs then it will be more apparent as 1g has a marked difference to 5g and as above the same is not as true with respect to 25g compared to 30g

May you die a vicious and gory (ego) death in peace :p
 
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