Parshvik Chintan
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bah, all this nonsense makes me feel like the 'golden age' of mhrb may be starting to end (lets all hope i am mistaken)..... really hope my seeds pan out... or this whole "timewave zero" thing.
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Impending legal issues????
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Yeah, if you're in Canada I would definitely start looking for vendors within the country and not risk getting mimosa shipped across the border anymore. Let the vendors take all the risk all at once and hopefully they are smart about it or there may not be any vendors left in Canada.
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..it is very hard for law enforcement to become botanical experts (like, it's not hard to recognize a cannabis plant, but picking between different mimosas? )..and it's almost impossible to prove a grass is a Phalaris until it seeds..and the seed looks like common birdseed (cause it is)..
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..GROW, GROW, GROW...NOW! Phalaris (AQ1, Big Medicine) for cold climates, can plant as a weed..or Mimosa indoors (already being successfully done )..and other alternative sources..
..it is very hard for law enforcement to become botanical experts (like, it's not hard to recognize a cannabis plant, but picking between different mimosas? )..and it's almost impossible to prove a grass is a Phalaris until it seeds..and the seed looks like common birdseed (cause it is)..
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I grew some Phalaris Arundincae last year and I was less than impressed with it. I still have a massive bag of seeds of it that I might as well make an attempt to grow some more of it this year. As far as reselling mimosa goes, I would have to have a pretty decent sized plantation in order to keep reselling it from planted mimosa.
I have also heard of people finding different versions of Acacia growing in the wild in other countries. Has anybody had any luck finding Acacia or any other alkaloid containing plant growing in the wild in Canada?
I have also heard of people finding different versions of Acacia growing in the wild in other countries. Has anybody had any luck finding Acacia or any other alkaloid containing plant growing in the wild in Canada?
And yes I agree. Being as self sustainable as possible should be a goal in every facet of your life including your mimosa supply. If you're in a climate and a situation where you can grow mimosa, why wouldn't you? But this has to be planned several years in advance before it's safe to take any decent amount of root from your mimosa without risking killing it.
I think its best to diversify instead of relying on one plant source. Some acacias are promissing, because you can harvest phyllodes sustainably for good dmt yields. Jamie is growing in canada different plants including some acacias I think, he should be the one to ask in your case. I think specific phalaris strains are better than just getting wild or growing from unknown seeds. What phalaris were you growing?
The dmt wiki with the plants containing it would be a good place to look for research on plants of interest. We need more people testing alternative plant sources, as well as growing. Even if growing is not for harvesting now (at least for most plants), gotta think of the future too, and in the meanwhile make the best of whats around
The dmt wiki with the plants containing it would be a good place to look for research on plants of interest. We need more people testing alternative plant sources, as well as growing. Even if growing is not for harvesting now (at least for most plants), gotta think of the future too, and in the meanwhile make the best of whats around
I was growing Phalaris Arundinicea, what is known as Reed Canary Grass. I believe what I had read on it the total alkaloid content varied in studies anywhere from .004% - .121% of the the dry plant matter. And of this most of that was 5MEO not NN. Not exactly the yields were used to from mimosa, although the fact that it contains different alkaloids, mainly the 5MEO are the only reason I am going to attempt to grow some of it again.
You should check out some specific high yielding and/or good alkaloid-profile phalaris strains. There is a big variation inside "phalaris arundinacea" as well as other phalaris. You should check out my signature link and the links therein for a lot more info. As nen mentioned, AQ1 and big medicine might be good attempts, or turkey red for 5-MeO-DMT.
I checked out your Phalaris thread again. It's not the first time I had. The one thing I never could find on there; it differentiates the different percentages of alkaloids, but I could never find a total alkaloid/dry plant matter ratio or some idea of total yield from these Phalaris strains.
Thats because it wasnt quantified, its more trouble, need a pure dmt standard and do calibration work, it will take some more time for that (and I didnt have a sizeable quantity of grass to try extracting and weighing, I had a tiny sample just for analysis).
In any case its been mentioned by different people about AQ1's and big medicine's general good yield, so I would at least try those if I was to grow any tryptamine grass.
In any case its been mentioned by different people about AQ1's and big medicine's general good yield, so I would at least try those if I was to grow any tryptamine grass.
only two things i suggest
run it as a legitament business, keep accounting details and ledgers of what your doing, if there is a book for it coming in and going out (not the names of who just the numbers) then it shows you will be paying taxes on it, ergo they will be less likely to stomp on you.
as for customs, dont ship 120kg to your house, i would not be in the bulk resale buisness, but a few kilos is not going to dray the attention a proverbial oil barrel full of bark would
and the second suggestions, use a freight forwarder, there are monitored address that will rise redflags, if it goes to a freighter then to you then less concern. there are thousands of them
and lastly doubt make anything, its a buisness if they find a extraction going on at the address you ship to then your point a big old sign at yourself and will make them think in the future that anyone shipping is making, bad causality.
but the main thing is dont ship so much stuff to your house, your just asking for trouble
run it as a legitament business, keep accounting details and ledgers of what your doing, if there is a book for it coming in and going out (not the names of who just the numbers) then it shows you will be paying taxes on it, ergo they will be less likely to stomp on you.
as for customs, dont ship 120kg to your house, i would not be in the bulk resale buisness, but a few kilos is not going to dray the attention a proverbial oil barrel full of bark would
and the second suggestions, use a freight forwarder, there are monitored address that will rise redflags, if it goes to a freighter then to you then less concern. there are thousands of them
and lastly doubt make anything, its a buisness if they find a extraction going on at the address you ship to then your point a big old sign at yourself and will make them think in the future that anyone shipping is making, bad causality.
but the main thing is dont ship so much stuff to your house, your just asking for trouble
..Phalaris AQ1 was found by G. Samorini et al. to contain 1.0% DMT (dry weight)..there are Canadians growing acacias..
I have phalaris brachystachys, acacia acuminata, acacia confusa that just germinated, acacia floribunda germinating as we speak..mimosa trees..and passiflora cearulea that does really well here as a beta carboline plant..I still need to get some acacia obtusifolia and simplex going..
This is all being worked out still..my mimosa trees are outdoors now and actaully were getting too much sun/heat and burned a bit so I cut them back and put them in a spot with more shade for part of the day and they seem to like that..so at least where I am in BC temps are fine for mimosa outdoors durring summer. In the winter they can thrive indoors with proper lighting etc..
I just started germinated 3 more mimosa seeds as well and these will be only indoor all year with some of my acacia's so I can judge how well they do compared to outdoor half the year.
I will also be growing Big medicine, turkey red, yugo red and AQ1.
I am also moving into a house in july with an outdoor greenhouse so I might experiment with that as well..
This is all being worked out still..my mimosa trees are outdoors now and actaully were getting too much sun/heat and burned a bit so I cut them back and put them in a spot with more shade for part of the day and they seem to like that..so at least where I am in BC temps are fine for mimosa outdoors durring summer. In the winter they can thrive indoors with proper lighting etc..
I just started germinated 3 more mimosa seeds as well and these will be only indoor all year with some of my acacia's so I can judge how well they do compared to outdoor half the year.
I will also be growing Big medicine, turkey red, yugo red and AQ1.
I am also moving into a house in july with an outdoor greenhouse so I might experiment with that as well..
So to get the known strains like AQ1, Big Medicine or Turkey Red, etc. I would need to get clones of those strains and then
make several clones of those? Suddenly it seems like it could be worth growing these if they may have up to 1% yields. I know this isn't exactly the suppliers section, but can anybody recommend a decent place to get any of these? So far the only place I've found is The basementshaman has Big Medicine, but says it will be available later in the season. I have mimosa seeds that I will pot a few of them. Nobody attempts to grow Caapi?
On a somewhat separate note I just received 6 different varieties of trichoseurus cactus seeds that I have to get potted.
make several clones of those? Suddenly it seems like it could be worth growing these if they may have up to 1% yields. I know this isn't exactly the suppliers section, but can anybody recommend a decent place to get any of these? So far the only place I've found is The basementshaman has Big Medicine, but says it will be available later in the season. I have mimosa seeds that I will pot a few of them. Nobody attempts to grow Caapi?
On a somewhat separate note I just received 6 different varieties of trichoseurus cactus seeds that I have to get potted.
^yes all those grasses you would need to get clones..not seeds. Phalaris brachystachys however is the highest yielding grass apparently with a very clean DMT profile. I think Benzyme tested analyzed an extract of it and found only DMT and a bit of gramine that is easily removed. The profile seems very much like psychotria other than the little bit of gramine.
Brachysstachys can also be grown from seed because there does not seem to be the wide variations in alkaloid profiles between different seed grown plants like there is with the other grasses.
I have some caapi going outdoors here in a little greenhouse but it is not doing so well..I dont think the setup I have it in holds humidity that well though. I had them indoors for a year and they seemed better than they are outdoors but VERY slow. I am just waiting on them until I move into a new house in july with way way more space for ourdoor gardens and a greenhose, and it is 3 bedrooms and we only need 1 so one of those rooms I am going to turn into a little indoor grow room to dedicate to these DMT and beta carboline plants...and build a nice light system.
Russian olive and passiflora are good alternatives for beta carbolines that will do well here..though just make sure you are not planting russain olive where it is gone invasive.
San pedro seems to like it here outdoors though..
I dunno where in canada you are though..here on the west coast(and I mean right on the ocean not a few hours away) it is unlike anywhere else in canada. I am right on the ocean and we get ocean currents that keep the temperatures here mild throughout the year..most often it is not even below zero here in the winter..If you were in say, Alberta, Ontario or even just a few hours from here in kelowna things would be very different..there are palm trees lining the beach here right where I am, something you wont see anywhere else in canada..so I guess summer temps can get up there all over canada but you will not be growing any acacia trees all year in the ground like I hope to do at some point..so indoors is your only option, at least for most of the year..still worth it though.
Brachysstachys can also be grown from seed because there does not seem to be the wide variations in alkaloid profiles between different seed grown plants like there is with the other grasses.
I have some caapi going outdoors here in a little greenhouse but it is not doing so well..I dont think the setup I have it in holds humidity that well though. I had them indoors for a year and they seemed better than they are outdoors but VERY slow. I am just waiting on them until I move into a new house in july with way way more space for ourdoor gardens and a greenhose, and it is 3 bedrooms and we only need 1 so one of those rooms I am going to turn into a little indoor grow room to dedicate to these DMT and beta carboline plants...and build a nice light system.
Russian olive and passiflora are good alternatives for beta carbolines that will do well here..though just make sure you are not planting russain olive where it is gone invasive.
San pedro seems to like it here outdoors though..
I dunno where in canada you are though..here on the west coast(and I mean right on the ocean not a few hours away) it is unlike anywhere else in canada. I am right on the ocean and we get ocean currents that keep the temperatures here mild throughout the year..most often it is not even below zero here in the winter..If you were in say, Alberta, Ontario or even just a few hours from here in kelowna things would be very different..there are palm trees lining the beach here right where I am, something you wont see anywhere else in canada..so I guess summer temps can get up there all over canada but you will not be growing any acacia trees all year in the ground like I hope to do at some point..so indoors is your only option, at least for most of the year..still worth it though.
..great advice there from jamie,
just want to add/comment..that the future of the majority's DMT access would come down to a single plant source (mhrb) would seem ridiculous, and precarious..more of us need to research, than just expect everything delivered to us..
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just want to add/comment..that the future of the majority's DMT access would come down to a single plant source (mhrb) would seem ridiculous, and precarious..more of us need to research, than just expect everything delivered to us..
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Thanks Jaimie, much appreciated. Yeah, I'm in Calgary. Definitely gets a little colder here in the winter. In fact it snowed a couple days ago here, lol. I will have to order some Phalaris Brachystachys. It will definitely be easier to fill my garden with these if I don't have to get clones.
It definitely seems like a lot of work to try to grow Caapi here, when I can get Rue seeds for so cheap.
It definitely seems like a lot of work to try to grow Caapi here, when I can get Rue seeds for so cheap.
