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40% is apparently the optimal concentration for tannin precipitation. Why not start directly with a 40% ethanol solution instead? As water is a good solvent too.
Yes I think that would be the better option for oral consumption, but for smoalking It's maybe better to minimize the water content to reduce the solubility of contaminants, like calcium hydroxide for example, it is slightly soluble in water but not in ethanol. If there's a way to reliably clean it later (without NPS), then starting with 40% would be good, as I believe the cleaning steps would be required in either case.

I'm sure Transform will be able to advise you about how to proceed, and about any potential dangers of calcium acetate. While I'm sure it's not too healthy to smoke, smoking anything by combustion is unhealthy. So my concern would be if it's particularly worse than smoking the compounds found in typical changa plants.
For the second batch which I would like to use for changa I did not use acetic acid so the main contaminants should be calcium carbonate and calcium tannate, these are insoluble in ethanol and do not gel up like calcium acetate but they are very fine particles, so I am hoping with patience and filtering I will remove the majority of them.

Here's the concise LLM output for reference
Risks of smoking substances containing CaCO₃ or Ca-tannate:
  • Formation of caustic calcium oxide (irritates and burns lungs/throat)
  • Respiratory irritation from fine particulate matter
  • Release of CO₂ reducing oxygen intake
  • Toxic organic vapors from tannate decomposition (phenols, catechols)
  • Chemical burns to mucous membranes
  • Unknown impurities or untested combustion products → potential toxic exposure
I feel mostly concerned about the calcium oxide formation which might occur as the temperature at the tip of a cigarette for example can reach 900 °C. And also about the PM.
Maybe most of the stuff will remain as ash if smoalked in a joint that it wouldn't be a major concern comapred to what you said about smoking anything in general.
 
On the first try I did the microwave acid cooks and pulled with 95% ethanol in the fridge. I ended up with 0.63 g (2.5 %) semi solid goo from 25 g ACRB. I then based the leftover bark and pulled directly with ethanol, this gave around 0.35 g (1.4%) goo that hardened. A total of 3.9% yield, a significant amount of contaminants, I used to get around 1.8% goo with naphtha pulls on this bark. At this point I assumed the contaminants are mainly calcium hydroxide and/or calcium tannate, both insoluble in the ethanol but the ethanol remaind cloudy even with filtration, it seems like there are very fine particles suspended that are hard to filter. The calcium hydroxide would eventually turn into calcium carbonate and I thought once I redissolve with 95% ethanol to make changa I'd be able to get rid of most of it by filtration. However, when I added the ethanol the majority of the mass refused to dissolve. At first I left the ethanol covering the goo without stirring and after few hours it seemed to strip away the color but the goo still had its form and did not dissolve. So I tried to dissolve it by stirring in a hot water bath, but it turned into a granular sticky mess like crystalized honey and adding more ethanol did not help. It got so messy everything became sticky and smelling of dmt, and the pipette clogged and I splashed some into the water bath, luckily there wasn't a lot of water.
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Today I tried cleaning up the dirty dmt (top left) from the first extraction. I recalled Transform mentioning that dmt (clean dmt) will float as an oil on top of water in a fridge, and I wanted to try that. I used natural mineral water with low mineral content and a pH of 8.2, once I added some drops to the dirty dmt it crumbled and disingrated, after adding more water and stirring, it seemed like a decent part had dissolved and small orange granules remained, some floated, some sank, and the water became cloudy. I assume the calcium acetate dissolved in the water and the dmt along with the insoluble calcium tannate and/or calcium hydroxide/carbonate had formed these granules and made the water cloudy, maybe that's why it didn't form an oil. I then transfered it into a small funnel stuffed with a piece of cotton (bottom left) and after the water passed I was left with that orange sediment. And then I washed it with hot ethanol and it looked like most of it dissolved and the filtered alcohol was clear and colored orange (right) and a small amount of calcium tannate and/or calcium hydroxide/carbonate was left behind.

This whole process was again messy and sticky and I am sure I didn't clean it fully and lost some more dmt in the process but I feel it is already much better. To make enhanced leaf I added dried salvia fruticosa that I picked from the nearby woods which smokes really smoothly. I used 500 mg salvia fruticosa, the same theoretical dmt amount in the 25 g of bark to get a theoretical 1:1 EL, but as I've lost quite a bit of the goods It's more likely to be around 1:2-3 EL.

It was nice to experiment with the first botched extraction and hopefully I'll be able to finish up the second extraction better. Overall I feel good about this method and I'm sure with more attempts I'll be able to get a relatively clean product for smoalking with good yields.
 
I pretty much do as many freeze/thaws as i need to get a clean tea, usually say 3 to 5 freezes, just depends on how gunky the teas are, but i brew in bulk so usually 100 grams of Mimosa or Acacia. Ime even after freezing/thawing/filtering a few good times there can still be stuff crashing out or tannins slipping through the filter, so what i usually do is freeze/thaw/filter a few good times, then on the last freeze/thaw i'll suck up the clean tea with a syringe to get it away from any remaining sediment, then i'll add some more water to the sediment and stir and re-freeze/thaw the sediment-containing water then i'll suck it up and re-do that a few more times until i'm confident i've gotten any DMT that may have gotten stuck in the crud, then i combine all the clean liquids and reduce down to final concentration, and the resulting tea tastes pretty much like water, i'll pour off a dose and dilute it with some extra water for a cup of tea, warm it up, add some sweetness (though that's optional) and then drink it, and it's very palatable surprisingly. As for the color, i wouldn't worry about that too much, ime the color can be clearer or it can be dark, doesn't really seem to say much about potency or what not ime.
I have been reading from some users here that they theorize that the sediment itself actually contains DMT actives, and to remove the sediment or not drink the sediment greatly reduces the potency of the experience.

What they recommend is to simply shake it and drink it with the sediment in there.

Multiple users, from what I gather from reading the forums, have reported noticeably stronger experiences from when they simply shook the brew and drank the sediment in comparison to using a decant/filtration technique, as you described.

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I know you're very knowledgeable and experienced and have been doing this a while. Do you have any opinion on this? Have you ever tried several brews with a sediment and then without the sediment to gauge and experience the difference? What do you think?
 
Sabnock, how many freeze/thaws do you usually do? Pics below are the brew after the first thaw and after the last one (fifth); after thaw 3 only very small amounts of plant matter dropped out. The brew does remain darker at the bottom than it does at the top, though.

Also @Transform : In another thread a post of yours seemed to suggest that you de-tanninized your vodka tincture (mentioned earlier in this thread) and consumed it. (Can't find the post.) Or did I misinterpret? If not, can you tell us about the results?



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Did you end up decanting this and removing the sediment? I've heard that some users report drinking the sediment gives them a stronger experience.
 
I have been reading from some users here that they theorize that the sediment itself actually contains DMT actives, and to remove the sediment or not drink the sediment greatly reduces the potency of the experience.

What they recommend is to simply shake it and drink it with the sediment in there.

Multiple users, from what I gather from reading the forums, have reported noticeably stronger experiences from when they simply shook the brew and drank the sediment in comparison to using a decant/filtration technique, as you described.

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I know you're very knowledgeable and experienced and have been doing this a while. Do you have any opinion on this? Have you ever tried several brews with a sediment and then without the sediment to gauge and experience the difference? What do you think?

It does appear that way, any cleaning of the brew, whether by freezing/thawing/filtering or by using egg whites, can seemingly reduce the potency slightly, however i have also read that if you use some acidity, it can convert the DMT into say DMT Citrate, or DMT Acetate, or DMT Ascorbate (depending on which acid you use, like Citric Acid, or Vinegar, or Ascorbic Acid) rather than the DMT Tannate it may be in naturally within the plants, so that the DMT is no longer attached to the tannins and becomes more absorbed into the water, which might separate it from the tannins so that the tannins can be filtered out.

Another thing to do would be to only filter the brew when it's diluted, like as diluted as possible, so that any potency lost through the clean up steps/filtering, is minimal.

You can also filter out the plant sediment, and then redissolve it in fresh water, and then when diluted you filter out the crud and then add that liquid back to the main brew and reduce to final volume.

There are ways to minimize potency loss while making a pretty clean tea, and imo it's worth it because the alternative is a raw brew which is very difficult to drink, for me at least, and even if i have to sacrifice a few grams when making a clean bulk tea, i'd rather do that than not be able to drink it at all, because even a small sip of raw brew makes me insta-gag and throw up, i just can not drink it without cleaning it up.

Overall, if you're looking for simplicity and less effort, an extraction of the DMT from the plant materials is probably your best bet, so long as you can extract all the DMT from the plant materials, then you won't lose any potency and can easily consume the DMT whether encapsulated or dissolved into some sort of liquid. But, if you don't want to extract and just want to consume the plants themselves, a clean tea is the best way, and it can taste just like water, depending on how clean you get it (while minimizing potency loss).

But yeah i've had that thought too, that with the sediment in the tea shaken up and consumed, it is stronger than tea without sediment, which is why it's recommended to convert the DMT Tannate into some acidic salt form of DMT, and to filter while the brew is diluted and not when it is concentrated.
 
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If one is looking to have a broad spectrum plant extract while minimizing nausea and effort to prepare, @Transform's vodka and lime TnT Tek is best, I think. However it so far has only been tested with mimosa (I tested it works with chalipanga too, but didn't try the end product yet, so I'm not sure it's safe). It's "cleaner" than any tea can get, in fact it smells strongly of DMT.
 
If one is looking to have a broad spectrum plant extract while minimizing nausea and effort to prepare, @Transform's vodka and lime TnT Tek is best, I think. However it so far has only been tested with mimosa (I tested it works with chalipanga too, but didn't try the end product yet, so I'm not sure it's safe). It's "cleaner" than any tea can get, in fact it smells strongly of DMT.
Thanks for the reminder it's high time I got on with that write-up… I'll focus on keeping that in focus :D
 
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