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[Sakkadelic]

40% is apparently the optimal concentration for tannin precipitation. Why not start directly with a 40% ethanol solution instead? As water is a good solvent too.

Yes I think that would be the better option for oral consumption, but for smoalking It's maybe better to minimize the water content to reduce the solubility of contaminants, like calcium hydroxide for example, it is slightly soluble in water but not in ethanol. If there's a way to reliably clean it later (without NPS), then starting with 40% would be good, as I believe the cleaning steps would be required in either case.

I'm sure Transform will be able to advise you about how to proceed, and about any potential dangers of calcium acetate. While I'm sure it's not too healthy to smoke, smoking anything by combustion is unhealthy. So my concern would be if it's particularly worse than smoking the compounds found in typical changa plants.

For the second batch which I would like to use for changa I did not use acetic acid so the main contaminants should be calcium carbonate and calcium tannate, these are insoluble in ethanol and do not gel up like calcium acetate but they are very fine particles, so I am hoping with patience and filtering I will remove the majority of them.

Here's the concise LLM output for reference

Risks of smoking substances containing CaCO₃ or Ca-tannate:

• Formation of caustic calcium oxide (irritates and burns lungs/throat)
• Respiratory irritation from fine particulate matter
• Release of CO₂ reducing oxygen intake
• Toxic organic vapors from tannate decomposition (phenols, catechols)
• Chemical burns to mucous membranes
• Unknown impurities or untested combustion products → potential toxic exposure

I feel mostly concerned about the calcium oxide formation which might occur as the temperature at the tip of a cigarette for example can reach 900 °C. And also about the PM.
Maybe most of the stuff will remain as ash if smoalked in a joint that it wouldn't be a major concern comapred to what you said about smoking anything in general.

 

[Sakkadelic]

On the first try I did the microwave acid cooks and pulled with 95% ethanol in the fridge. I ended up with 0.63 g (2.5 %) semi solid goo from 25 g ACRB. I then based the leftover bark and pulled directly with ethanol, this gave around 0.35 g (1.4%) goo that hardened. A total of 3.9% yield, a significant amount of contaminants, I used to get around 1.8% goo with naphtha pulls on this bark. At this point I assumed the contaminants are mainly calcium hydroxide and/or calcium tannate, both insoluble in the ethanol but the ethanol remaind cloudy even with filtration, it seems like there are very fine particles suspended that are hard to filter. The calcium hydroxide would eventually turn into calcium carbonate and I thought once I redissolve with 95% ethanol to make changa I'd be able to get rid of most of it by filtration. However, when I added the ethanol the majority of the mass refused to dissolve. At first I left the ethanol covering the goo without stirring and after few hours it seemed to strip away the color but the goo still had its form and did not dissolve. So I tried to dissolve it by stirring in a hot water bath, but it turned into a granular sticky mess like crystalized honey and adding more ethanol did not help. It got so messy everything became sticky and smelling of dmt, and the pipette clogged and I splashed some into the water bath, luckily there wasn't a lot of water.

Today I tried cleaning up the dirty dmt (top left) from the first extraction. I recalled Transform mentioning that dmt (clean dmt) will float as an oil on top of water in a fridge, and I wanted to try that. I used natural mineral water with low mineral content and a pH of 8.2, once I added some drops to the dirty dmt it crumbled and disingrated, after adding more water and stirring, it seemed like a decent part had dissolved and small orange granules remained, some floated, some sank, and the water became cloudy. I assume the calcium acetate dissolved in the water and the dmt along with the insoluble calcium tannate and/or calcium hydroxide/carbonate had formed these granules and made the water cloudy, maybe that's why it didn't form an oil. I then transfered it into a small funnel stuffed with a piece of cotton (bottom left) and after the water passed I was left with that orange sediment. And then I washed it with hot ethanol and it looked like most of it dissolved and the filtered alcohol was clear and colored orange (right) and a small amount of calcium tannate and/or calcium hydroxide/carbonate was left behind.

This whole process was again messy and sticky and I am sure I didn't clean it fully and lost some more dmt in the process but I feel it is already much better. To make enhanced leaf I added dried salvia fruticosa that I picked from the nearby woods which smokes really smoothly. I used 500 mg salvia fruticosa, the same theoretical dmt amount in the 25 g of bark to get a theoretical 1:1 EL, but as I've lost quite a bit of the goods It's more likely to be around 1:2-3 EL.

It was nice to experiment with the first botched extraction and hopefully I'll be able to finish up the second extraction better. Overall I feel good about this method and I'm sure with more attempts I'll be able to get a relatively clean product for smoalking with good yields.

 

[Space Djedi]

I pretty much do as many freeze/thaws as i need to get a clean tea, usually say 3 to 5 freezes, just depends on how gunky the teas are, but i brew in bulk so usually 100 grams of Mimosa or Acacia. Ime even after freezing/thawing/filtering a few good times there can still be stuff crashing out or tannins slipping through the filter, so what i usually do is freeze/thaw/filter a few good times, then on the last freeze/thaw i'll suck up the clean tea with a syringe to get it away from any remaining sediment, then i'll add some more water to the sediment and stir and re-freeze/thaw the sediment-containing water then i'll suck it up and re-do that a few more times until i'm confident i've gotten any DMT that may have gotten stuck in the crud, then i combine all the clean liquids and reduce down to final concentration, and the resulting tea tastes pretty much like water, i'll pour off a dose and dilute it with some extra water for a cup of tea, warm it up, add some sweetness (though that's optional) and then drink it, and it's very palatable surprisingly. As for the color, i wouldn't worry about that too much, ime the color can be clearer or it can be dark, doesn't really seem to say much about potency or what not ime.

I have been reading from some users here that they theorize that the sediment itself actually contains DMT actives, and to remove the sediment or not drink the sediment greatly reduces the potency of the experience.

What they recommend is to simply shake it and drink it with the sediment in there.

Multiple users, from what I gather from reading the forums, have reported noticeably stronger experiences from when they simply shook the brew and drank the sediment in comparison to using a decant/filtration technique, as you described.

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I know you're very knowledgeable and experienced and have been doing this a while. Do you have any opinion on this? Have you ever tried several brews with a sediment and then without the sediment to gauge and experience the difference? What do you think?

 

[Space Djedi]

Sabnock, how many freeze/thaws do you usually do? Pics below are the brew after the first thaw and after the last one (fifth); after thaw 3 only very small amounts of plant matter dropped out. The brew does remain darker at the bottom than it does at the top, though.

Also @Transform : In another thread a post of yours seemed to suggest that you de-tanninized your vodka tincture (mentioned earlier in this thread) and consumed it. (Can't find the post.) Or did I misinterpret? If not, can you tell us about the results?



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Did you end up decanting this and removing the sediment? I've heard that some users report drinking the sediment gives them a stronger experience.

 

[TransistorBass]

Interesting thread, might be one to try at some point.

 

[Sabnock1990]

I have been reading from some users here that they theorize that the sediment itself actually contains DMT actives, and to remove the sediment or not drink the sediment greatly reduces the potency of the experience.

What they recommend is to simply shake it and drink it with the sediment in there.

Multiple users, from what I gather from reading the forums, have reported noticeably stronger experiences from when they simply shook the brew and drank the sediment in comparison to using a decant/filtration technique, as you described.

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I know you're very knowledgeable and experienced and have been doing this a while. Do you have any opinion on this? Have you ever tried several brews with a sediment and then without the sediment to gauge and experience the difference? What do you think?

It does appear that way, any cleaning of the brew, whether by freezing/thawing/filtering or by using egg whites, can seemingly reduce the potency slightly, however i have also read that if you use some acidity, it can convert the DMT into say DMT Citrate, or DMT Acetate, or DMT Ascorbate (depending on which acid you use, like Citric Acid, or Vinegar, or Ascorbic Acid) rather than the DMT Tannate it may be in naturally within the plants, so that the DMT is no longer attached to the tannins and becomes more absorbed into the water, which might separate it from the tannins so that the tannins can be filtered out.

Another thing to do would be to only filter the brew when it's diluted, like as diluted as possible, so that any potency lost through the clean up steps/filtering, is minimal.

You can also filter out the plant sediment, and then redissolve it in fresh water, and then when diluted you filter out the crud and then add that liquid back to the main brew and reduce to final volume.

There are ways to minimize potency loss while making a pretty clean tea, and imo it's worth it because the alternative is a raw brew which is very difficult to drink, for me at least, and even if i have to sacrifice a few grams when making a clean bulk tea, i'd rather do that than not be able to drink it at all, because even a small sip of raw brew makes me insta-gag and throw up, i just can not drink it without cleaning it up.

Overall, if you're looking for simplicity and less effort, an extraction of the DMT from the plant materials is probably your best bet, so long as you can extract all the DMT from the plant materials, then you won't lose any potency and can easily consume the DMT whether encapsulated or dissolved into some sort of liquid. But, if you don't want to extract and just want to consume the plants themselves, a clean tea is the best way, and it can taste just like water, depending on how clean you get it (while minimizing potency loss).

But yeah i've had that thought too, that with the sediment in the tea shaken up and consumed, it is stronger than tea without sediment, which is why it's recommended to convert the DMT Tannate into some acidic salt form of DMT, and to filter while the brew is diluted and not when it is concentrated.

 

[blig-blug]

If one is looking to have a broad spectrum plant extract while minimizing nausea and effort to prepare, @Transform's vodka and lime TnT Tek is best, I think. However it so far has only been tested with mimosa (I tested it works with chalipanga too, but didn't try the end product yet, so I'm not sure it's safe). It's "cleaner" than any tea can get, in fact it smells strongly of DMT.

 

[Transform]

If one is looking to have a broad spectrum plant extract while minimizing nausea and effort to prepare, @Transform's vodka and lime TnT Tek is best, I think. However it so far has only been tested with mimosa (I tested it works with chalipanga too, but didn't try the end product yet, so I'm not sure it's safe). It's "cleaner" than any tea can get, in fact it smells strongly of DMT.

Thanks for the reminder it's high time I got on with that write-up… I'll focus on keeping that in focus

 

[Celly]

Okay thanks to @blig-blug's comment on my post I'm now fully invested in trying the vodka-lime method.

Here is my post for context, it was not about that type of tek but you can see what I'm looking for :

Thread 'Veggie Oils and Fumaric Acid question'

Jan 24, 2026

Hello,

I've been used to drinking Jurema made in a more or less traditional way for years but the taste has grown more and more unbearable to me. The past few months I've taken to making it, reducing it a lot, freezing it in small candy molds and swallowing them whole with some dairy drink...
So I decided to get out of my comfort zone and do some extractions. I'm aiming for something that can still be taken orally. I don't mind if the result is a bit gooey or taste of oranges or something, I'll probably mix it with jam and eat it on a toast anyway.

So here is my plan and I'd like to know...

• Celly
• fumaric acid question tek veg oil
• Replies: 10
• Forum: Eco Friendly Extraction Teks

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I'm wondering considering this :

i have also read that if you use some acidity, it can convert the DMT into say DMT Citrate, or DMT Acetate, or DMT Ascorbate (depending on which acid you use, like Citric Acid, or Vinegar, or Ascorbic Acid) rather than the DMT Tannate it may be in naturally within the plants, so that the DMT is no longer attached to the tannins and becomes more absorbed into the water, which might separate it from the tannins so that the tannins can be filtered out.

Could I add some citric acid to my mix of vodka and MHRB to get a better extraction and turn the DMT into salts before doing the lime extraction or would it mess up the lime step? I have zero experience at working with those products and very little chemistry knowledge.
Also : Right now I put my vodka/MHRB jar in the fridge. Is it fine or would room temp be better? It's gonna be there a few days. I'll just mix it here and there.
And lastly : should I expect a lot of heat when mixing lime? So I'll know if I should get a heat-safe container or something.

 

[Celly]

Lastly* for real this time : from previous comments this tek seems to also work for Syrian Rue? I don't mind the taste as much as Mimosa now that I've taken to cooking the grains a bit before I turn them into a tea. It tastes like really really bad coffee instead of toxic sludge and I can chug it down. But any way to make it better would still be welcome.
(I've ordered some 99% extracts salts to try, if it works well they'll be my go to but I want options in case anything stops being available).

 

[blig-blug]

Could I add some citric acid to my mix of vodka and MHRB to get a better extraction and turn the DMT into salts before doing the lime extraction or would it mess up the lime step? I have zero experience at working with those products and very little chemistry knowledge.

As long as it's not a lot of acid, I don't think it would mess up the lime step either. The lime will neutralize the acid and freebase the DMT anyways. But it may not help much, before the lime step the DMT is already in salt form. You could try and see if it helps somehow, but I'd experiment after having successfully completed the tek once.

Also : Right now I put my vodka/MHRB jar in the fridge. Is it fine or would room temp be better? It's gonna be there a few days. I'll just mix it here and there.

A higher temperature will help, but I don't think the fridge vs room temperature will make that much of a difference, especially given that you'll soak it for several days. I do it at room temperature for just a few hours. I believe @Transform (the author of the tek) heated the vodka up, and you could always do that at one point before the lime step.

And lastly : should I expect a lot of heat when mixing lime? So I'll know if I should get a heat-safe container or something.

No, it's not like with lye. The lime barely dissolves in the vodka. If there is any heat generated, is low enough for me to not have even noticed it. So it's quite safe in that sense. A good quality container will always be good, but it's not necessary for this.

Lastly* for real this time : from previous comments this tek seems to also work for Syrian Rue?

I experimented doing it with rue and mimosa at once, and it didn't seem to work well for rue. It would be necessary to do it with only rue to confirm that it doesn't. It seems likely that harmala freebase is not too soluble in ethanol, and if that's the case it won't work too well. More experimentation is needed, but it doesn't look too promising.
It would also be overkill, there are even simpler teks to extract harmalas. This is the easiest I've tried, you get a lower yield than with some others but it's very very easy, you just need water and a base (I recommend ammonia): Harmala CWE experiment

 

[Celly]

Thank you ! And I'll check that post !

 

[Celly]

I'm in the process of filtering, until now it's all been super easy (and my kitchen only smelled a bit of vodka).

Is this the type of "clear" I'm looking for or should I use more lime?

 

[blig-blug]

I'm in the process of filtering, until now it's all been super easy (and my kitchen only smelled a bit of vodka).

Is this the type of "clear" I'm looking for or should I use more lime?


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That's it, the yellow color is how it should look. Now you can reduce it (in a hot water bath as the volume goes down, to avoid burning it) either until no alcohol is left, or until no water is left. If you evaporate all water from it, what remains is an oily liquid. That may be too potent to handle comfortably. I like to leave it at a volume of 1ml per gram of MHRB, e.g. a total final volume of 50ml if I started with 50g MHRB.

 

[Celly]

That's it, the yellow color is how it should look. Now you can reduce it (in a hot water bath as the volume goes down, to avoid burning it) either until no alcohol is left, or until no water is left. If you evaporate all water from it, what remains is an oily liquid. That may be too potent to handle comfortably. I like to leave it at a volume of 1ml per gram of MHRB, e.g. a total final volume of 50ml if I started with 50g MHRB.

Thank you !
There is about 350ml when I began with 700, should I consider that my 70gr of MHRB is in there or that there was a lot of loss?

 

[blig-blug]

Thank you !
There is about 350ml when I began with 700, should I consider that my 70gr of MHRB is in there or that there was a lot of loss?

The efficiency of the extraction isn't known (in effects it seems to me similar to a brew). Unless you lost a lot through spills or by having it trapped inside calcium tannate or spent bark, I would count it as 70g.

 

[Celly]

Alright I'll do so then. Thanks again.