Is DMT dangerous for the mind?

[Apoc]

There's a part of me that believes it is dangerous to the mind to not use DMT...
That is, of course, unless you truly believe that ignorance is bliss.

Bliss is just bliss. Either you have it or you don't.

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Yeah.

No, I don't think dmt is dangerous for the mind, I think dmt is like food for the mind, and deeper than that. Of course, anything is bad in levels too high.

I wouldn't recommend anyone do a high dose just to scare themselves.... but likely, anyone who hasn't been really scared either hasn't taken a large enough dose, or has poor dosing method, nullifying the effects. DeathandDecay, you say you theorize that a person who doesn't "let go" doesn't reach the highest possible levels. In my experience, if the dose is high enough, the persons control over psychedelic effects becomes less. It gets to a point where no matter what your mindset, no matter how resistant, you'll be locked in the psychedelic world and there is no escape, even if the person doesn't want to let go. Yes, it would scare most people. If not scare them, I don't believe it's possible for someone to come out of such an experience and not be blown to bits by its power, if not by its ability to frighten.

Is dmt bad for some people prone to mental diseases? I don't know. Maybe. I'd bet just about everything is potentially bad for people with this or that disorder. I've had severe depression and some mental illnesses in the family. Yet I smoke and eat dmt regularly, and I am much better off for. I am happier, more well adjusted, less paranoid, less delusional after taking dmt. I don't think dmt or psychedelics are an escape from reality, I think psychedelics are a reality check. Of course, the sheer intensity of heavy experiences might be too much for some people.

People who are prone to conspiracy theories don't seem to do well with dmt. That's just what I have observed.

 

[Global]

People who are prone to conspiracy theories don't seem to do well with dmt. That's just what I have observed.

Interesting observation....and probably true.

 

[imPsimon]

People who are prone to conspiracy theories don't seem to do well with dmt. That's just what I have observed.

Interesting observation....and probably true.

Yes.
I dont think this is special for dmt though but includes most psychedelics and
the likes, especially cannabis.

 

[polytrip]

People who are prone to conspiracy theories don't seem to do well with dmt. That's just what I have observed.

Interesting observation....and probably true.

Yes. I think conspiracy theories are often based on a deep psychological rejection of reality.

Some of these theories are so far-fetched that the only message that the people who spread these ideas are realy sending to everyone around them is, that they don't want to be reasoned with, that they don't want a rational discussion and that they don't realy care about the real facts.

They stubbornly keep believing in something, regardless of what the facts are.
It's like they don't want to be in touch with reality.

A negative attitude towards life doesn't combine well with the use of psychedelic's.

 

[Death&Decay]

Thanks for all the responses guys.

Now, about conspiracy theories... Well, I was never much interested in these ideas, that is, until I started smoking DMT. Now, hear me out on this, because it has a point. Previously, I had heard all these stories about different government conspiracy's but they never really gave me enough to believe in it. I was like, sure that sounds possible but I doubt it. Well, after experiencing the world of DMT I felt like an entire part of the universe was unlocked, like a secret had unfolded around my mind. Now it wasn't like at this point I immediately jolted into conspiracy theories or anything like that. But, it did however give me an understanding of things, and make me wonder some new questions.

Such as, why is this illegal? Why would this drug, that only lasts for about 10 minutes, gives you no hang over, opens your mind to beautiful amazing things, has no physical damage on your body, found within all of nature and isn't addictive such a crime to posses that you could literally get a life sentence in prison? Why? What are they afraid of? What would be the point, is it because the government doesn't want you to know the truth? Maybe, and if so, what is it they are really trying to hide? And from there, it was like a huge unwinding of secrets and conspiracy's. Now, I don't believe them all, hardly any in fact, and the truth is I will never know the truth, but what is the truth? Is the truth what your authorities would want you to believe? What your teachers, family and friends want you to believe? Perhaps, but perhaps the lies have been so extended and so long lived that they have, in fact, become a part of our reality.

To summarize what I am getting at: The number one thing that gives people the ability to control you is your fears. Most people, especially here in the western culture, are afraid of death. So, what better way to control people than to say you have the answer to death. What better way to make people believe you have the answer than to spam the news with horrible, chaotic events. I mean, there is so much I cant even begin to discuss this in detail. There is one thing you should know, and it's that you don't know anything. If someone tells you they have the answer, they probably don't. If they say they know what is best for you, they probably don't. Each of us has a life meant to find ourselves, the more we continue to let external things impound on internal thoughts, the further we get from finding our true selves. The government, conspiracy theories, talk radio, news, websites and anything else could all be one big lie, and if you let these external things dictate your life journey you will never find your own truth.

So, I guess the reason I am more prone to believe in these things now is not so much that I am psychotic, but more so that the DMT experience has shown me a greater truth to reality, and that the human consciousness is much more strange than anyone had ever led you to believe. I dunno, just my humble opinion here, from my perspective. I know a few people who are like, way too involved with conspiracy stuff and I believe they are more troubled than anything. I guess my message here is don't let the government and media think for you. They want you to believe certain things, but its up to you to know the truth.

 

[DeMenTed]

Im sure there is people who can enjoy a hellish trip. Not all psychedelic Users are intended to enlightment, maybe a hellish trip its worth to be explored too..

This is very true! Ive had nightmarish scenes of my own death and murder in hyperspace but didnt feel fear, i felt veri disconcerted for an hour at most but it didnt freak me out as such.

I think there should be a 4th dimension that hasnt been included and that would be ego death. To me this is something i have experienced on other compounds but never dmt. Im sure one day it will happen tho, well i hope it does

 

[DeMenTed]

People who are prone to conspiracy theories don't seem to do well with dmt. That's just what I have observed.

Interesting observation....and probably true.

Yes. I think conspiracy theories are often based on a deep psychological rejection of reality.

Some of these theories are so far-fetched that the only message that the people who spread these ideas are realy sending to everyone around them is, that they don't want to be reasoned with, that they don't want a rational discussion and that they don't realy care about the real facts.

They stubbornly keep believing in something, regardless of what the facts are.
It's like they don't want to be in touch with reality.

A negative attitude towards life doesn't combine well with the use of psychedelic's.

Conspiracy theory belief isnt always a bad thing. Believing the hype is a disorder of its own imho. People who belive in ancient scriptures and writings as the truth of an existence of god is a far more dangerous proposition than say believing obl wasnt responsible for 9/11, just my point of view.

 

[Death&Decay]

Im sure there is people who can enjoy a hellish trip. Not all psychedelic Users are intended to enlightment, maybe a hellish trip its worth to be explored too..

This is very true! Ive had nightmarish scenes of my own death and murder in hyperspace but didnt feel fear, i felt veri disconcerted for an hour at most but it didnt freak me out as such.

I think there should be a 4th dimension that hasnt been included and that would be ego death. To me this is something i have experienced on other compounds but never dmt. Im sure one day it will happen tho, well i hope it does

I can relate to this. In fact, I had an experience the other day that would seem scary to some. I took a few big tokes and stared in the mirror. At first everything started to get crazy as I felt the trip come on, and then as I starred at my face I seen all facets of life slowly fade away to where all I could see was veins, scars, blots and various blemishes. It literally looked as though my face was decayed. It wasn't scary though, it was almost like a message for me to realize that the physical body is not infinite. Then, as I started to feel okay by this image, the strangest thing happened. My third eye opened up. Literally, a third eye opened on my face... I am thinking it was because I let my eyes go somewhat double, which causes them to appear directly in the center of my head or something... But, I dunno, it was just a strange thing to see, my face completely decayed with my third eye opened up. I dunno... Some tripy shit you guys.

 

[DeMenTed]

I can relate to that to D&D

I had a conversation with my friend who wasnt tripping on dmt but i was and i could see him as an ancient looking green alien lifeform of somesort. It was him but he had like 900 years of experience lines in his alien green face. This didnt freak me out like it might some folks but instead i felt as though i was seeing what life really is, i felt like we are timeless souls trapped in a human body and i was seeing him as his real ancient self, and i was happy to converse with this alien lol. Was mad but also eyeopening.

 

[imPsimon]

One problem that seems to come up again and again in some users of psychedelics is when peoples
egos blows up to enormous proportions.
Very often you find people talking about extremely complex issues with a very strong
conviction that their opinions stands on equal grounds as say a professional researcher that
has dedicated maybe decades to the issue.

 

[jamie]

I think television, public school and the mainstream western diet are for worse for the mind than DMT could ever prove to be. Most people would probabily be better off if they made time to further they're own education beyond public school brainwashing, watched less TV, ate better and took more psychedelics.

I am a firm believer that those who takes psychedelics have in general a cognitive advantage over those that do not. That might sound elitist..so be it.

 

[Death&Decay]

I think television, public school and the mainstream western diet are for worse for the mind than DMT could ever prove to be. Most people would probabily be better off if they made time to further they're own education beyond public school brainwashing, watched less TV, ate better and took more psychedelics.

I am a firm believer that those who takes psychedelics have in general a cognitive advantage over those that do not. That might sound elitist..so be it.

Agreed. Western society in general I believe teaches a sheltered life to reality. What are the number one things you think of when you think western culture? Fat people, mcdonalds, television, ignorant... and so on... I mean, don't get me wrong, I live in the US but man I am lucky enough to see through the facade of pure ignorance that is blatantly propagated here. Its even comical at times, you sit back and think what kind of person would ever believe this... 10 minutes later I get a call from my mom, or friend or whoever and they are like OMG DID YOU JUST HERE ABOUT THAT? Cmon guys, wake up... Wake up!!! WAKE UP!!! *shaking them violently*

One problem that seems to come up again and again in some users of psychedelics is when peoples
egos blows up to enormous proportions.
Very often you find people talking about extremely complex issues with a very strong
conviction that their opinions stands on equal grounds as say a professional researcher that
has dedicated maybe decades to the issue.

I somewhat disagree here. Now, for the most part, you will typically be right. But, in the same thought a lot of people have been mislead and truly wasted their lives studying false information. I believe the universe, reality and life itself are much more complex and much more difficult to understand than we perceive it to actually be. The truth is, everything we know is just an assumption. We think we know, but do we really? How can we truly be sure of anything? At any moment we could be wiped away from the universe, and nothing would change outside of our little spot we call home. I mean, maybe this isn't even really what your getting at, but I believe everyone should have the right to put forth their own ideas. No matter how crazy and far fetched they might be, how can we really determine if they are wrong? For all we know, god is really a flying spaghetti monster

 

[Global]

One problem that seems to come up again and again in some users of psychedelics is when peoples
egos blows up to enormous proportions.
Very often you find people talking about extremely complex issues with a very strong
conviction that their opinions stands on equal grounds as say a professional researcher that
has dedicated maybe decades to the issue.

I don't think this is a matter of ego. I think it's a healthy dose of skepticism. I mean if you can find ample research to refute what the tripper is saying, then that's another issue. I don't like how loosely the term "ego" gets thrown around all the time (usually pejoratively).

 

[tobecomeone00]

everything in moderation...

 

[christian]

I think television, public school and the mainstream western diet are for worse for the mind than DMT could ever prove to be. Most people would probabily be better off if they made time to further they're own education beyond public school brainwashing, watched less TV, ate better and took more psychedelics.

I am a firm believer that those who takes psychedelics have in general a cognitive advantage over those that do not. That might sound elitist..so be it.

Agreed. Western society in general I believe teaches a sheltered life to reality. What are the number one things you think of when you think western culture? Fat people, mcdonalds, television, ignorant... and so on... I mean, don't get me wrong, I live in the US but man I am lucky enough to see through the facade of pure ignorance that is blatantly propagated here. Its even comical at times, you sit back and think what kind of person would ever believe this... 10 minutes later I get a call from my mom, or friend or whoever and they are like OMG DID YOU JUST HERE ABOUT THAT? Cmon guys, wake up... Wake up!!! WAKE UP!!! *shaking them violently*

One problem that seems to come up again and again in some users of psychedelics is when peoples
egos blows up to enormous proportions.
Very often you find people talking about extremely complex issues with a very strong
conviction that their opinions stands on equal grounds as say a professional researcher that
has dedicated maybe decades to the issue.

I somewhat disagree here. Now, for the most part, you will typically be right. But, in the same thought a lot of people have been mislead and truly wasted their lives studying false information. I believe the universe, reality and life itself are much more complex and much more difficult to understand than we perceive it to actually be. The truth is, everything we know is just an assumption. We think we know, but do we really? How can we truly be sure of anything? At any moment we could be wiped away from the universe, and nothing would change outside of our little spot we call home. I mean, maybe this isn't even really what your getting at, but I believe everyone should have the right to put forth their own ideas. No matter how crazy and far fetched they might be, how can we really determine if they are wrong? For all we know, god is really a flying spaghetti monster

-Some excellent points there, D&d.
Like fractal has said, modernday life teaches a sheltered life from reality. In fact i mentioned this in one of my earlier posts, when i spoke about how people were hidden from the TRUTH.

-With reference to impsimons comments, i think i know very well what he is talking about. And i agree with his opinion. One has to realise that apparently smoking dmt does not make you a nicer or more relaxed person, but just provides an experience. You would think otherwise, but not so. Unfortunately i myself have run into people with big egos, and little empathy on this forum, so i know that to be true, i'm sorry to say.

 

[christian]

One problem that seems to come up again and again in some users of psychedelics is when peoples
egos blows up to enormous proportions.
Very often you find people talking about extremely complex issues with a very strong
conviction that their opinions stands on equal grounds as say a professional researcher that
has dedicated maybe decades to the issue.

I don't think this is a matter of ego. I think it's a healthy dose of skepticism. I mean if you can find ample research to refute what the tripper is saying, then that's another issue. I don't like how loosely the term "ego" gets thrown around all the time (usually pejoratively).

-I disagree, Global.
It seems that those with the "ego" don't give a healthy debate, just provide a nasty, biggoted, "i'm better educated than you" response. Hardly healthy, relaxed, positive, or constructive. Unfortunately they are also friends with the "big boy's", so they are here to stay, no matter how argumentative and confrontational they get. (unlike anyone else)

-But i do think that psychadelic insights can provide the creative thinking and knowledge that a professional researcher can use to improve science with. For example , one nobel prize winning scientist ( FRANCIS CRICK ) claimed that his success was all thanks to his use of LSD. So science and psychadelics can work well together. However, irritating arguing and ego propping is something else, and totally negative and childish, and this has no place in science, growth, spirituality, etc. It usually is the domaine of spoilt college kids that need to grow up, get a life, and learn to wipe their own backsides...:lol: