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Jorkest's D-Limonene Bufotenine Extraction TEK

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I've been away for a while, but my main subject of interest was this TEK for obtaining smokable Bufotenine. However, things have gotten a lot more complicated in the last few pages; I am simply wondering, Jorkest and gang.. is the original Tek still suitable for obtaining suitable Bufotenine for a good, clean trip in a country where this is all legal?

The original method was so straightforward, simple, and with safe materials..
 
well it seems that the bufo that is produced by this tek is relatively clean..but when smoked is fairly harsh..and its hard to get a nice big full lungful of smoke without coughing...this may be because of smoking technique...because SWIM hasnt built a test tube vape yet...but it seems there is more work that needs to be done...but its nice seeing people working on it...this TEK is just a good starting place to get some sort of dry powder to work with...with as few toxins as possible..

now it just comes down to the details to produce a clean smoking end material
 
This past weekend I did another extraction attempt on 25g of Anadenanthera Colubrina seeds, following Jokerst's FASA/D-Limo tek with the few additions/modifications talked about throughout this thread to see if I could get repeated results.
A few things were confirmed & a few other new ones came up... (seems to be the norm with these seeds...huh?)

Here is a quick explanation of what I did:
*Toasted seeds @ 350F degrees for 45min.
*Grind to powder
*Basifyed with Sodium Carbonate
*Pulled with Acetone, using THP (100ml - 3x)
*FASA conversion (using 100ml acetone/.55mg Fumaric acid) solids filtered out
*Basifyed again with Sodium Carbonate
*Dissolved in acetone, solids filtered out, dried & scarped up
*Cleaned with 20ml D-Limonene, left to dry out
*Toasted again @ 350F degrees for 30min, left to cool, scraped up (was black)
*Dissolved in acetone, solids filtered out, dried & scarped up
*Cleaned with 20ml D-Limonene 2 more times, left to dry out, scraped up both times
*Did a 2nd FASA conversion, decanted the acetone, solids left to dry then scraped up
(seemed to lose a lot again, even though I did everything correctly this time) (??good or bad, impurities or Bufo??)
*Basified with Sodium Carbonate
*Dissolved in acetone, solids filtered out
*filtered 3 more times, dried & scarped up

What I have now is some very light tan, crystalline powder, but I have so very little of it...??...
I started with 25g of seeds, my yield was only .050mg!!:cry: (seeds were good, lost it in the 2nd FASA step??...??)
It is certainly active though, without nausea or head pressure, but still a bit harsh.
Only mild tingly effects & calming of the mind, no visuals at all. Six small hits were taken over around 10 minutes time.

The seeds were from a different source this time, a source that always has the highest quality botanicals. Everything was going great & looked very, very clean & like there was a lot of Bufo in there.
Up until I did the second FASA conversion on the D-Limo cleaned extract.
I think I did the second FASA step correctly this time, but only a small amount of Bufo-fumerate precipitated out!! I waited for hours & even evaped some of the acetone.
But only .050mg ended up precipitating!!
I also evaped the remaining acetone & what was left was not good looking at all, it was dark & sticky etc...

I would love it if someone who is more familiar & knowledgeable about the FASA reaction/process would try a FASA conversion on some D-Limo cleaned Bufo extract, to see if they get all of their Bufo back out with the orange oil etc..., removed, or if they have a loss as well.
I have 220g of seeds on the way, so I'll be doing some extensive experimenting.
Three different strains too,
120g of one that was very cheap, for experimenting.
100g of one I know is very high quality, for the yield.


On the other hand, I can confirm that toasting the extract @ 350f degrees a second time, after the bulk of seed material has been removed & it has been cleaned at least once with D-Limo, is well worth doing to remove impurities!
It successfully burns up some additional toxins/impurities & leaves a cleaner, drier extract after being dissolved in Acetone & the burnt-black solids have been filtered out.

Next time, I am interested to see if doing this progressive toasting also removes excess orange oil (by burning it off) after doing a number of cleanings with D-Limonene, as the extract is definitely much drier & more of a powder after the toasting again & then filtering.
I'm wondering if toasting a third time (or just waiting to do the second one) after doing 3 or 4 more D-Limo cleanings, instead of doing the second FASA conversion, would be sufficient for removing any residual oils, impurities, etc...
Then drying it & re-dissolving in acetone to filter out the burnt stuff & ultimately dry it & scape it up.
I'm thinking it would probably work!! We'll see...


Also, I used High Purity D-Limonene this time, I've been using the Food Grade D-Limo so far on all the other attempts.
Even though I pre-boiled & filtered the Food Grade D-Limo before using it, the High Purity D-Limo was so much cleaner & better for this process!!
The High Purity type dried out at least 50% faster & did not leave any oily residue like the Food Grade does. In fact, it did not leave behind much of anything at all!! Nice!
Using High Purity D-Limo the extract dried out completely into a powder, within minutes-to-hours, not days too.
Plus it does not make the whole house smell like oranges for a day after use. Not that I really dislike that particular side effect, but it does show how the High Purity D-Limo is just so much cleaner all around!!
The finished Bufo did not have that chemically-orangy taste on it either. That side effect I did not like much!

I'm not planing to use the Food Grade D-Limo for anything but cleaning the house anymore...
I feel the High Purity type was just so much cleaner to work with & what I'm really wanting here is pure, white crystal Bufotenine, over a higher yield.
I highly recommend trying it, it's only like $5-$10 more. Worth it, IMO!!

WS
 
While I know the whole point of this tek is to purify using limonene, smell and nastiness aside... is xylene the way to go?

SWIM followed the tek closely and everything was goig fantastic until just after the limonene boil. SWIM was using 90% limonene so this obviously was far from ideal. He has some 95% on the way. But after the limonene boil SWIM noticed very little difference from the step before except a lower yield. Even after a second limo clean and a FASA repeat what SWIM had wasn't good.

Anyways is Xylene a better solvent for the job? Something tells SWIM it is, but before he takes a sledge hammer to the ozone layer, he'd like some confirmation.
 
When I used Zylene it ruined my extract (pretty sure it was not clean enough to begin with) & it stunk up my house for 3 days!!
Don't know if I'll be doing that ever again.

I'm going to pick up some MEK & try that this next time.

Are you sure the seeds where good? The last extract I did I used some seeds that where clearly of better quality than the ones I had tried before, just much cleaner & more of it from the get go.
Unfortunately, I lost a whole bunch in the 2nd FASA. Not sure what I did wrong, maybe the acetone wasn't dry enough?
Not sure the 2nd FASA is a good idea anymore.

Using D-Limonene worked very, very well for me!!
Especially this last time with the High Purity from Greeterpene.com!!
I kind of wish I had stopped after the 2nd round of D-Limo cleanings...:cry:

WS
 
Also, the first time I did this, I tried to evap the D-limonene & keep everything except the dark crap that was stuck to the beaker.
But it never got that much cleaner that way.
Now I decant off the extra D-Limo after it cools & just keep the stuff that precipitates out. Lotsa oils in that liquid ya know...

WS
 
yeah man make sure you have good seeds before you waste any time.

my seeds were reall low quality. like. not even worth it. i hardly got any bufo out...


however i did extract something that turned out to be a great mood enhancer/ motivational drug.

no idea what it is, just snorted a bunch of black soot that i made after toasting an acid base extraction done with hcl sodium carbonate and mek.

minor visuals so im guessing it was just a low dose of bufo but if thats true then DAMN strong bufo is gonna be rediculously euphoric
 
Yeah it's all about the seeds. SWIM'll just have to shop around I guess. Unless someone can PM me a good vender the ships internationally that I can bring to SWIMs attention?
 
As acetone seems to pick a lot of stuff from seeds, if bufotenine is not soluble in aciditic acetone, could it be used to wash the seeds prior to basify them ?
Is it that simple or do I miss something ?
 
Yup. SWIM's doing it right now.

He grinds seeds and then puts them in the oven for a couple of hours while he keeps his acetone in the fridge. Then he washes the beans through a few times, dry then basify.
 
Garulfo said:
As acetone seems to pick a lot of stuff from seeds, if bufotenine is not soluble in aciditic acetone, could it be used to wash the seeds prior to basify them ?
Is it that simple or do I miss something ?
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You would probably need to grind them up first, so that as much of (the insides of) the seeds are exposed to the acetone, not just the outside of the seeds, or the seed coats.

Let us know how that works, sounds feasible!

WS
 
Should one be surprised if when they base the material for the first time the ammonia smeel isn't as strong as expected?

The seeds were toasted and defatted and the roasted smell seems to be dominant in the mix.



Edit: Actually SWIM's checked the ph and it's around 8. Added more Sodium carbonate but the ph won't go any higher.

Any suggestions?

2nd Edit. SWIM made 200ml of sodium carbonate solution that read at just over ph11, then poured this on the mix and the ph is still 8 :oops:
 
It usually smells kind of like peanuts to me, until the bulk of the plant material & toxins are cleaned out.

It's a strange scent, not necessarily bad, but not nice either...:?:

WS
 
warrensaged said:
It usually smells kind of like peanuts to me, until the bulk of the plant material & toxins are cleaned out.

It's a strange scent, not necessarily bad, but not nice either...:?:

WS
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Yeah first time SWIM did the extraction he noticed the peanutty smell, but when basing he noticed a strong ammonia smell. This time that's not there... the peanut smell was though. He did lots of acetone washes and heating before basing. These beans don't look as healthy as the last one's so he's not holding his breath. But there are a fair few fumarate salts.

Wait and see I guess.
 
SWIM acquired some 95% limonene after his 90% didn't seem all that ideal for this tek.

When preteating the new limonene with heat, he is realising that it is taking longer to get to a boil.

Could impurities really lower the boiling point?

He's guessing now that he didn't heat the first limonene enough in both temperature and duration...

I guess he just wants it TOO much.

God he really does.
 
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