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Psilosopher?

Psilosopher?

Don't Panic
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I think it's time for me to go. But before I do go, I need to prepare. There are a few things, I'd like to take, but the logistics are a bit daunting.

Where I'm going:

Arunachal Pradesh. Also called South Tibet. "Areas at the sub-Himalayan and sea-level elevation generally experience humid, sub-tropical climate with hot summers and mild winters." So that's where I'm planning on going.

Here's what I'm taking:

1) Minimal amount of clothes, suited for the climate.
2) A whole lotta seeds. For food and for entheogens. I was thinking of taking a few of each staple food and various other seeds that will sustain me. For entheogens, I was thinking of bringing various Acacia seeds, Mimosa hostilis, Psychotria viridis. Gonna bring mushroom spore prints. I also want to grow a caapi, but have heard that it might be difficult. I can acquire ganja over there.
3) A compass, flint and steel
4) My didge.

Here's what I will acquire over there:

1) Cooking utensils, pots etc.
2) Blankets and whatnot
3) Ganja seeds
4) Axe and machete


Here's what I want to take with me, but can't carry all of it:

1) My philosophy books. I have a whole lot of them. I'm not sure how I'm gonna get them to me. If my cousin is able to, he might hold them for me until I set up a proper place. Then he'll visit me, bring the books and spend a few days gorging on entheogens.




Is there anything else I should bring? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. It might save my life.
 
Perhaps a flare gun and/or GPS with an emergency signal option and a solar charger or emergency battery pack to make sure it will work if you need it. Good information on local flora and fauna. Extra food stores and some good water filters. A few real lighters and some waterproof matches. Tarps/tent. Rope, Medical supplies and the knowledge to use it. Maps of the terrain accounting for differences in all seasons.

Make sure someone, anyone, knows where you are and checks on you every so often.

Maybe a copy of "Into the Wild" :twisted:

Stay safe. ♥
 
Aren't you from Australia? This guy is, too: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA/videos

Maybe it's a good idea to do the wilderness part-time or as an intern first, to test the waters so to speak. Think of a native suddenly exposed to Western lifestyle without prior knowledge. He might be dead within some hours, because he doesn't understand the concept of a power socket.

You know, the concrete jungle is very dangerous as well, we just forget about it because we are so accustomed to it. Are you aware of the power socket counterparts in the wild? I also bet there's a natural Mafia, happy to exploit new naive victims.

Also be careful with your thoughts, I had a friend who was fed up with Western society as well and wanted to escape it by moving to the woods. He ended up drinking too much booze, was admitted to the mental hospital, set it on fire and finally escaped into the woods, where he froze to death.

The flip-side of the story: he finally escaped society and contacted his aunt in her dreams, telling her that he is fine and in a better world. :twisted: :twisted: But the family in the here is now basically f'd up (Christian materialists).

Maybe something like this is more suitable at first: Dhanakosa | Buddhist, Meditation, Yoga Retreat Centre

Whatever your plans are, good luck.
 
Be waterproof!

It's very nice to have a small multifuel stove, if you're going to be anywhere near a supply of some kind of fuel.

Durable personal hygiene tools. ie a small, thick signal mirror, good stainless steel nail trimmers and tweezers (maybe with a small magnifying glass), a straight razor or something to comb the knots from your beard, and anything you might use for hygiene, as I think you will be surprised how much time you may spend with this in your routines.

If you are careful about how you gather tinder, a full lighter can last for many months, especially if you use fire when you have fire ie if you're going to smoke a joint, the evening fire is a good time. The inner bark of standing deadwood and downed dead branches that are not touching the ground, can be used to start a fire, even in a heavy thunderstorm.

If there are coniferous trees around, the layer of duff under the needles but above the soil makes a wonderfully soft and refreshing toilet tissue. Makes your butt, pine fresh.

Don't use your cleanest drinking water if you are cooking, save it for drinking when water is scarce, and cook with more live water.

Spread your clothes and bedding in the sun between washings. Ultraviolet light and fresh air are great substitutes for soap and water.

Ashes are great for washing dishes.

Be able to deal with wounds and infections.

Something to while the hours ie a few small files and picks for stone carving

And, of course as you know, an exchange of reading materials.

Have fun! Be safe! and come back to tell us about it, sometime.
 
Do you have 'long term' innnner line perrmit? Also Injun nationals need innner line perrmit for Arnooaaachal.

Even Arooonaachalli tribals loose their permanent residency status if they marry someboday from outside Arooonaachal, even if it's a member of the same tribe from across the border in Assssaam.

If they mistake you for an illegal immigrant from Bonglades, they can as well kill you, police, Assssam Riffffles (millitary), tribals and tribal spies and the so called captans, they all beee after you, or if they learn you are in fact Aushtiralian, they can incarcerate you as a spy and/or extort money from your parents and whatnot. In-diya is very jumpy when it comes to their innner-line disputed boarder areas with PROCCCC and Pakeestaaan and (some) tribal areas.

The least of your troubles could be an entry into your passport, stating you violated In-diya innner line (....you can never enter In-diya again)

It is by far less dangerous to just walk accross the main W.Benngol/Bhoootan boarder crossssing with just a blue chequer lungi or better, a gamchha, a generic red plastics handle dabba, neat local amla oil parted hair-cut, nicely weathered blue/white flip-flop, paan stain banyan and a tooth brush (and 'old school paper'Injun ration-card from Waste Benngol 😉 - if you can 'obtain' one - because Injun nationals can trade/travel freely with Bhoootaaan). But if you are lumba-chaurah-aadmi then it wouldn't work smoothly....😉 Should that be the case you'd need an APLLL caard in which' case you'd need a different outfit too. But remember: Arey-naa-chal = c'mon-don't-go
 
What exactly do you want to do?
Build up a house and a garden and live there indefinitely?

You'll want good tools:
Knife
Multitool
Folding saw
Some saw blades
Folding shovel
Small sharpening stone set
Thread and needle

For sleeping, I like hammocks. Let's you set up a comfy camp at every place that has trees, even if the ground is full of stones, thorny plants, muddy, on a slope or full of crawling animals. Integrated bug net and a lightweight tarp makes it rain and mosquito proof.

Lighter + matches + ferro rod + candles
Being able to start a fire is one of the most important things. Candles give you light when there is no electricity.

A good headlamp + backup

Not necessary but nice to have:
A small photovoltaic cell and a Li-battery to load your headlamp and other electrical equipment.
You can take a small ebook reader with you and have a whole library with very little weight.

I'd consider brining in a set of stainless steel pots. I have never been to India, but I assume there will be mainly aluminium cooing ware for sale. You do not want to cook in aluminium. That's really nasty.

Basic first aid kit including medicine for diarrhea, a good pain killer, a broadband antibiotic and something anti-inflammatory
Fishing line and hooks (if you want to eat fish)
Some stronger thread & rope (you can never have enough rope)
Compass
Topographical map
Water container
Water filter
...
In general, the more you want to be on the move, the less weight you should aim for.

If you would like to share a bit more about your plans, I might think of another thing or two.

Take care
 
id suggest you spend a year in a major US city homeless........
then your maybe ready.

unless your military grade trained in outdoor/combat living,
id be against it..........
 
Thanks for all the suggestions.

I do have experience with outdoor living. Sourcing my own food and water is a cinch. So is making a fire without any matches, firestarter or lighters. Building a primitive shelter is also drilled into me. For about 6 years, I've been helping my dad with construction stuff on the weekends. We've build driveways, garden sheds, balconies. So yeah, I have experience with building. I'm more than ready.

My main concern is getting over the border, running out of writing materials and getting caught in the crossfire between the Indian and Chinese military.

Also, I'd like to travel as ultra-light as possible. So I wont be taking any tools except a pocket knife, flint & steel, compass and a multi-tool. Eventually, I'd like to discard everything pertaining to the modern world, except my books and the ziplock bags that they will be housed in. Everything else, I'll make there. Like the dude Ufostrahlen and DansMaTete posted. I unsubscribed to most of my Youtube channels, so that the Primitive Technology uploads will be more noticeable. His Cord and Pump Drill was the greatest video I've even seen in my life. Hands down.


In terms of books, I don't need any suggestions for philosophy books, since they're not really essential for survival. I will need books on the local flora and fauna, making tools, general survival stuff, several language books, dictionaries in those languages including English. I'd also like to take a few science and maths textbooks to keep my mind sharp. I don't really read fiction, so is there anything else that would be handy?
 
Bodhisativa said:
My main concern is getting over the border, running out of writing materials and getting caught in the crossfire between the Indian and Chinese military.
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So you want to become a yogi, eh?

Looks like life there will be really tough:

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Do you speak Tibetan or Chinese? Do you have permission to build a hut on state property?
Are able to maintain a healthy (or even vegetarian) lifestyle in a rather poor environment, you're not accustomed to? My best advice (which I would give to myself or a friend) would be: bring a plan and leave the mood swings at home.

If you have mood swings, maybe Ketamine or LSD is a better option, 50µg of 1P-LSD in the night and 24h of not sleeping afterwards took me to a Tibetan monastery in the following dream, even though I've never been in one. Or aspire to go to one.

Another thought: If helping people means redemption, don't make it an ego trip. How will sitting in a hut for 5 years or longer benefit humanity?

PS: if I remember the Seven Years in Tibet book (not the film) correctly, HH encountered thugs who robbed him. Not sure how things have changed, but not all of humanity is enlightened. That's why Shaolin monks practice Kung Fu. And if Tibetan monks were proficient with assault rifles, the Chinese would have had a much harder time to occupy Tibet. Don't forget that in the wilderness the right of the mighty rules.
 
I think Intezam's local knowledge is close on priceless, and you got it for free.

It's hard to overstate how prickly Indian bureaucracy can be, especially in the remote/border areas.

A quick check on the Inner Line Permit shows that:

The states which require the permit are:

Arunachal Pradesh — Issued by the secretary (political) of the Government of Arunachal Pradesh. It is required for entering Arunachal Pradesh through any of the check gates across the interstate border with Assam or Nagaland. An ILP for temporary visitors is valid for 15 days and can be extended, while one for those taking employment in the state and their immediate family members is valid for a year.[4][5][6] The Aruanchal Pradesh government is planning to implement a permit-on-arrival system.[7]
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So, best case, you get a temporary permit for 15 days, with a possibility of (I imagine) frequent, $$$ renewals...

Ummm, personally, I have always found the Middle Path to be the best route, most of the time. I'm not sure the Middle Path crosses Arunachal Pradesh, at least, not if you're not local...
 
Ufostrahlen said:
Bodhisativa said:
My main concern is getting over the border, running out of writing materials and getting caught in the crossfire between the Indian and Chinese military.
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So you want to become a yogi, eh?

Looks like life there will be really tough:

[YOUTUBE]

Do you speak Tibetan or Chinese? Do you have permission to build a hut on state property?
Are able to maintain a healthy (or even vegetarian) lifestyle in a rather poor environment, you're not accustomed to? My best advice (which I would give to myself or a friend) would be: bring a plan and leave the mood swings at home.

If you have mood swings, maybe Ketamine or LSD is a better option, 50µg of 1P-LSD in the night and 24h of not sleeping afterwards took me to a Tibetan monastery in the following dream, even though I've never been in one. Or aspire to go to one.

Another thought: If helping people means redemption, don't make it an ego trip. How will sitting in a hut for 5 years or longer benefit humanity?

PS: if I remember the Seven Years in Tibet book (not the film) correctly, HH encountered thugs who robbed him. Not sure how things have changed, but not all of humanity is enlightened. That's why Shaolin monks practice Kung Fu. And if Tibetan monks were proficient with assault rifles, the Chinese would have had a much harder time to occupy Tibet. Don't forget that in the wilderness the right of the mighty rules.
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I speak Bengali. There's a fairly decent demographic of Bangladeshis.

I'm a vegetarian for several years. I was born in a village. My family was starving at one point. So yeah, I'm not a first-worlder.

I have no mood swings. This has been a plan of mine for 5 years.

I wish to remove myself from everything pertaining to people. The more I live in society, the more I realise it's not for me. I don't fit in here. I love people, I'm just not compatible with them. I long for the wilderness. So yeah, it's a completely selfish decision. It's for the self. I see no other alternative, except living a life filled with regrets. No one will miss me, except my family. So that's a plus. This is not an angsty and premature decision. It's premeditated for years. Thinking of consequences, possibilities, what I will leave behind, what I will discover.

If I die by my own stupidity or I am killed by external forces, so be it. "I do not fear death. I fear not to live fully." - Wim Hof.

DmnStr8 said:
Bodhisativa said:
DmnStr8 said:
Bring a dog with you.
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What will I feed it? I won't be raising any animals.
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I don't know. I just know a dog would be a valuable asset and companion. Feed it what you eat. Throw a dog a bone.
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It would be nice to have a dog. I don't think it will survive for long on a vegetarian diet.

Chan said:
I think Intezam's local knowledge is close on priceless, and you got it for free.

It's hard to overstate how prickly Indian bureaucracy can be, especially in the remote/border areas.

A quick check on the Inner Line Permit shows that:

The states which require the permit are:

Arunachal Pradesh — Issued by the secretary (political) of the Government of Arunachal Pradesh. It is required for entering Arunachal Pradesh through any of the check gates across the interstate border with Assam or Nagaland. An ILP for temporary visitors is valid for 15 days and can be extended, while one for those taking employment in the state and their immediate family members is valid for a year.[4][5][6] The Aruanchal Pradesh government is planning to implement a permit-on-arrival system.[7]
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So, best case, you get a temporary permit for 15 days, with a possibility of (I imagine) frequent, $$$ renewals...

Ummm, personally, I have always found the Middle Path to be the best route, most of the time. I'm not sure the Middle Path crosses Arunachal Pradesh, at least, not if you're not local...
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That's why I'm gonna do something a little risky. Gonna pretend I'm here to visit. I kinda already look like a sadhu, so I will act that out. Within a few days, I'll be out of civilisation. I have contacts in that region, they already know of my plans. So yeah, the idea of getting visas and paperwork is kinda funny to me. I'll play their charade for a while, then I'll be free. I'm in it for the long run. In the event that I get deported or something, I'll make a hermitage within my home country. Somewhere far from people. If that isn't even possible, I'll go way out into the outback in my current country of residence. Once I start this journey, there is no going back because of bureaucracy. If I go back, it's because I will choose to go back.
 
Intezam said:
These are like the fantasies of an evil 15 year old.....or someboday who got stuck there due to the cannawitch spell ... :x
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With all due respect, I feel that this comment is counter productive and antagonistic. :x

Follow your dreams and imagination Bodhisativa!! I hope you find what you are seeking!! :thumb_up:
 
Look, Bodhi, just the other week you were posting about "fake people & vanity" and now you're apparently planning to go native in one of the sub-continent's less-friendly regions, subsisting mostly on foreign entheogens & math books. I presume you know (given your username) the stuff about the mind being like a wayward ox? Maybe, and please don't take this the wrong way, but just maybe, you might need to tether that ox, and...take in the view for a while?

Peace. And when was the last time you had some good shrooms?!
 
I wish to remove myself from everything pertaining to people. The more I live in society, the more I realise it's not for me. I don't fit in here. I love people, I'm just not compatible with them. I long for the wilderness.
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Seems like you need a break. Good luck, again. If the social animal kicks in after some time, open up a YT channel. I bet people love watching a solitary yogi as much as a primitivist.
 
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