McKenna and visual language

[Concrescence]

Terence often talks about experiences on DMT where the elves instruct him to do what they're doing, which is creating these beautiful otherworldly objects through sound. I have not taken DMT, and I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this particular thing, because it seems to me like it could be a psychological personal metaphor in Terence's mind of his innermost desire, and what he does professionally, which is instill images of an altered reality in people's minds through the use of language. He seems to think there is something very important and real about these "objects" which relates to something that will occur in physical reality at some point in the future, so I basically want to know how common this type of thing is in the DMT experience that would lend evidence to the idea that they aren't a fabrication of Terence's unique psyche. I know there are many types of synaesthesic effects that can occur with psychedelics, but I'm wondering if there are common threads that aren't totally idiosyncratic.

 

[the middle man]

So its a question of language expression that you wish answered? Perhaps we need a deeper language. The way one person shapes their world through words, even the same language,may be vastly different to another. I think you need to look at the deeper aspects of these experiences to find the commonalities. To find consistency in other dimensions we must always look towards the trunk knowledge not the branches. The branches are all connected to the same trunk. These idio-synchratic metaphors are the symbols I use to describe the concepts I experience. I think you have stated a very well thought out question perhaps you may ask yourself what is between the lines of this question? What is occurring for you to ask this question in the first place?

 

[Guyomech]

Terence freely admits that his DMT descriptions are metaphorical. I personally haven't "sung" objects into existence in any of my journeys. That said, most of my DMT trips are rich with a visual language that is easily understood when viewed. Every surface of every jewel encrusted metamorphic object is infused with linguistic content. In my trips, this visual language is usually a depiction of the workings of my mind at that particular moment. So in a sense, I am imagining this visual language into existence, although not in such a lucid and deliberate way as Terence describes. I do believe he's talking about really major breakthrough doses, most likely a bit more than I've ever taken.

 

[jamie]

I would not call it singing objects into being..but I have experienced something sort of like that. I have had my body become like a tuning fork for different frequencies and I end up matching them with vocal tones and it produces/changes the visions. If you listen to icaros and mushroom chants from Maria Sabina they can be tonal and repetative and I think this is how they navigate the space.

...and yeah mckenna said his dose was 75mg vaped :shock:

 

[Global]

So, the way the experience has presented itself to me is that all of hyperspace quite literally runs on frequencies. Sometimes these frequencies are felt, other times they are heard, other times they are seen and sometimes it can be any combination of the three. Sometimes the frequencies may be so subtle or I may simply be so distracted by all of the other fireworks that I simply don't notice the frequencies. At lower doses, they tend to be more subtle and less in your face....anyways, let me get back on track.

Whenever I see something in hyperspace moving, whether it be the landscape, or an entity or various hyper-objects (I believe McKenna's "impossible fabrige eggs" fall into this category), but whatever it is that is moving around hyperspace is using frequencies to do so. One time for example I found myself in the vaulted "living room" of this mansion full of these important entities laying inert on the floor. Everything was completely still, but as soon as the high pitched sequences of frequencies commenced, the whole room came to life. Each motion seems to correspond to the frequencies in some way. This phenomena is not uncommon for me.

Now, should I listen to music for example, the frequencies from the music tend to override the frequency commands from hyperspace, as hyperspace and its entities begin to move to the frequencies from the music instead of wherever they usually come from. Music can also bring new hyper-objects into existence. While I may not sing objects into existence like McKenna, there have been times where I've been playing guitar (often on pharma or aya), and I've played these objects into existence. It's like painting multidimensionally with sound. So yeah, hyperspace is a completely cymatic experience (at least for me). Terence has a very poetic and in some ways encrypted way of talking about hyperspace. The more I journey and go back and re-read and re-listen to him, the more I go, "oh...that's what he's talking about!" although there is still plenty that he has experienced that I still feel I haven't and possibly won't. Experiences after all, can be rather unique, even with the common threads.

 

[Concrescence]

Thanks, these are helpful answers. Although in all of the Terence talks I've listened to he seems to think that these experiences are not metaphorical at all, they are "real" whatever that means, and he alternates between three possible explanations 1) they are actual entities residing in another star system, this is their way of communicating with us, 2) they are here on earth in the same space as us but in another dimension, 3) they are ancestor spirits.

 

[universecannon]

Theres a report on erowid that describes what he's talking about that's very interesting Mushrooms - P. cyanescens - Erowid Exp - 'A True Hallucination'

I haven't sung it into existence but i've encountered what i think he's probably talking about. Many metaphors and labels could be used but all of it only dimly approximates describing it..but to me its just like an exteriorization of the mind or imagination, on some non-local quantum level. I've altered visions/experience through sound somewhat but i haven't had it manifest that way yet

first i had some very intense lucid dreams involving it. Often they are of a very bizarre theatrical nature that sort of unfolds by itself into 'it'. Once i recall having a pet spider with the head of yoda, running all over the place using his force powers and light saber

Then i realized i was dreaming, and that its actions were directed by my mind. I interpreted it as being a symbolic representation of the imagination. With some focus, this thing then began to seamlessly morph into whatever i was thinking about..this got exponentially more intense and wierd until it was as if the human imagination, to an intensity previously unknown to exist, was manifesting right in front of me..except "i" was also "it" just as i was watching it. It eventually became a tryptamine-esque spinning tornado of light, love, objects, emotions, events, places, plants, planets, puns, orgasm, etc. that defied reason and description. This has happened in other dreams, and eventually it either just gets so exciting and intense that i'm stirred awake.. or too deep and i loose memory of what happened next- since its too odd to bring back into the monkey mind..or something

I think thought turning to the visible spectrum is also very common with aya, and even just high doses of harmalas. On the latter, i'll often be deep into a sort of day-dream, and then realize that i'm seeing whatever it is i'm imagining, and sometimes it will drift into this sort of object . Usually once i realize all this is going on and open my eyes, the vision fades like a strong after-image. I remember doing something similar as a child. I would lay in bed at night and mentally coax this oily blob out of the distance and bring it into full view as it morphed into countless faces expressing unfathomable emotions. I thought of it as a sort of collective unconscious at the time, although i was only like 9 or 10 and had no idea about jung, so i never told anyone about it. But the overall feel of it is very related to my other experiences

anyways, its funny people don't talk about this stuff more. Terence said that with practice this can be more thoroughly mastered, and that singing these things into existence was a human ability we all have, just under the surface. this sort of thing was central to his thoughts on the whole 2012/concrescence/transformation of humanity thing. Sounds totally batshit crazy, of course! But maybe we'll gain a better idea of what it is he was talking about when his brother dennis's (who heavily influenced 'terences' ideas for decades) new book comes out in the fall

 

[tele]

I believe it's just a theory based on his own experiences... Frequencies (as stated in this topic) might be what he tried to describe

 

[RebornInSmoke]

i literally JUST listened to that audio clip of that speech and then opened my browser back up to refresh the tab with "Open Discussion" on it, then saw this thread for the first time...
weird


"The narrow band of visible light and audible sound are directly related in the form of frequency harmonics.
Sound is measured in cycles per second (or hertz), which humans can perceive from around 20 cycles per second to around 20000 cycles per second. Light is measured in the trillions of cycles per second.
From a theory standpoint, if you double the wavelength of sound by forty times you start to reach the vibrational frequencies of light.
If you had a piano that was forty octaves long you could surpass tone and play the visible colours of the spectrum.
Like wise if you had a piano that moved in the opposite direction the slowest frequency waves would form into matter."

 

[Concrescence]

That erowid report is interesting...seems like he lives somewhat near me too, I wonder if I could find a way to get in touch with him.