[Mckenna Inquiry] Paging entheogenic-gnosis

[dreamer042]

I been seeing this Terence Mckenna quote around on the greater interwebs, but I have no idea where they sourced it from. I don't recall Terence really mentioning DMT dosage much, if ever, and a google search didn't turn up much. I was wondering if eg or anyone else can source this quote for me?

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

I been seeing this Terence Mckenna quote around on the greater interwebs, but I have no idea where they sourced it from. I don't recall Terence really mentioning DMT dosage much, if ever, and a google search didn't turn up much. I was wondering if eg or anyone else can source this quote for me?

Hmmm...

Ok so here's the the quote which is said to be from: "terence McKenna: Podcast 309 – “In Praise of Psychedelics” Part 2:

DMT is a reliable method for crossing into a dimension that human beings have debated the existence of for 50,000 years. Is there an invisible, nearby world inhabited by active intelligences with which human beings can communicate? You bet your boots there is. And if you don’t think so, then tell me you don’t think so and you’ve smoked 70 milligrams of DMT. Otherwise we just don’t have anything to talk about. -terence McKenna

Though honestly, I really didnt remember this quote off the top of my head, and had to search to locate a source.

I've also found this:

Well, you know, the dolphins were very fortunate in that they evolved in an environment which is extremely unfriendly to fire! Fire leaves you to do reckless and crazy things – the smelting of metals is the basic thing. Yes, I’ve been the champion of mushroom intelligence; there are many minds congruent with our inhabiting of this planet: the dolphin mind, the octopus mind, these plants which talk to you! I mean, I know if you’ve never had a plant talk to you that sounds as silly as saying that someone’s channelling the history of Atlantis; but once you’ve had a plant talk to you, you realise, yes, they do; it’s a problem to figure out how this happens, but that it happens is no big deal. Above 20 mg of psilocybin, most people report voices with interesting things to say. Above 75 mg of DMT, in Strassman’s experiments, most people reported entities of some sort. Well, it’s easy to dismiss it and say, “Well, this is a hallucination” – but what is a hallucination, my friend?

-terence mckenna
Culture and Ideology are Not Your Friends
Presented at the Whole Life Expo, Denver, April 1999

-eg

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

I hope I could help.

-eg

 

[Complexity]

I read that quote too, months ago, but still as an image on the net, so I've no direct reference, sorry.

Isn't 75 mg a bit exaggerated?

Or that's just because Terence didn't have a GVG?

 

[dreamer042]

Thanks eg! :thumb_up:

That second one is a bit curious as well since Strassman did all his measurements in mg/kg and iirc he didn't get anywhere near 75 mg. The couple of doods he went up to .6 mg/kg had a blackout? In a 150 lb person thats still only 40 mg. At the .4 mg/kg he settled on, for 150 lb person comes out to about 27 mg. Weird.

Anyway thanks again for tracking that down, I knew you were the person to ask. 8)

Or that's just because Terence didn't have a GVG?

Yep those "little glass pipes" just don't do the thing nearly as well as the true spicecraft.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Thanks eg! :thumb_up:

That second one is a bit curious as well since Strassman did all his measurements in mg/kg and iirc he didn't get anywhere near 75 mg. The couple of doods he went up to .6 mg/kg had a blackout? In a 150 lb person thats still only 40 mg. At the .4 mg/kg he settled on, for 150 lb person comes out to about 27 mg. Weird.

Anyway thanks again for tracking that down, I knew you were the person to ask. 8)

Or that's just because Terence didn't have a GVG?

Yep those "little glass pipes" just don't do the thing nearly as well as the true spicecraft.

Both the McKenna quotes I referenced seemed odd to me as well, I did not know them from memory, and had to search to find a source...

-eg

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Both the McKenna quotes I referenced seemed odd to me as well, I did not know them from memory, and had to search to find a source...

Damn, you really know every TM quote from memory? :shock:

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

I frequently consume over 75mgs.

Even out of a GVG or other vaporization device I dose in this range...

And while modern techniques place the dose range closer to what shulgin listed for intravenous administration, I still feel that (in my opinion) 30-100mgs is entirely appropriate for smoking...though one should always start low, and gradually raise their dose until they find the dose range Which is appropriate for their individual needs.

I think it’s a place that you approach by different strategies because a high dose of psilocybin will eventually put you into a place where you have to say, ‘my god, I can’t tell it from a DMT flash.’ A high dose of ayahuasca will eventually carry you exactly to the same place. The difference is that with the DMT, the only way you can evade the DMT is mechanically. That means only if you take too small a toke will it fail. If you can take a big enough toke, it will deliver the goods. While with the psilocybin mushrooms and with the ayahuasca, you have to be a navigator. You have to know how to tack, breath, descend, level and maybe a little mantric flash and dash – it’s trickier. But with the DMT, by god, it has you if you get enough of it -Terence McKenna

-eg

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Both the McKenna quotes I referenced seemed odd to me as well, I did not know them from memory, and had to search to find a source...

Damn, you really know every TM quote from memory? :shock:

No, but I have been listening to McKenna's lectures and reading mckenna's books since I was very young, and generally I can remember things he has said quite well.

-eg

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I frequently consume over 75mgs.

Something is off, if this is the case.

See here, including its link to here.

 

[Anamnesia]

Someone has definitely modified what Mckenna said here. It lacks the ring of authenticity to my mind.

 

[Asher7]

This McKenna fellow seems like a pretty deep dude. It's a shame we can't have a talk.

It would be poetic justice if someone took a hit of dmt and one of the entities had semi-crazy hair, glasses and a high pitched inflecting voice.

 

[syberdelic]

I frequently consume over 75mgs.

Something is off, if this is the case.

See here, including its link to here.

I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but the horse is not dead yet.
DMT tolerance/dosage seems to be all over the place. There is a bell curve as with many things but it's a wide bell curve with DMT. I have administered or supervised DMT voyages of many people and the middle of the bell curve seems to be around 40mg to hyperspace. I have seen breakthrough doses as low as 20mg and failure to break through at 200+mg. My own breakthrough dosage is 50mg +/-5mg.

We are all unique and there is no magic number that's going to work for everyone.

 

[Asher7]

Add to that, we're all looking for different things so what gets one person off may be too much or lacking for the next guy. Especially once you get around people that actually practice these things.

The map goes everywhere.

 

[Chan]

Synchronicity is a wonderful thing...

He mentions 70mg in this talk, just after the 39' 40" mark, in the context of being able to dream of having a breakthrough, and subsequently, with more detail, just after 59' 00" along with an intriguing idea about intranasal vaping...

No source data available, other than it's clearly post-1982, and Rupert (Sheldrake?) may have been in the vicinity.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I frequently consume over 75mgs.

Something is off, if this is the case.

See here, including its link to here.

I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but the horse is not dead yet.
DMT tolerance/dosage seems to be all over the place. There is a bell curve as with many things but it's a wide bell curve with DMT. I have administered or supervised DMT voyages of many people and the middle of the bell curve seems to be around 40mg to hyperspace. I have seen breakthrough doses as low as 20mg and failure to break through at 200+mg. My own breakthrough dosage is 50mg +/-5mg.

We are all unique and there is no magic number that's going to work for everyone.

The fact that your "middle of the bell curve" is around 40mg indicates that something is off with the technique you are employing and sharing with others. The fact that you even reference 200+mg as a smoked/vaporized dose further indicates problematic technique. There's not really a discussion to be had on this, certainly not the one you're proposing; this has been thoroughly documented here on this site over the past ~decade and is further reinforced by Strassman's work.

 

[syberdelic]

Maybe there is something off in my technique, but the fact still remains that DMT tolerance is all over the place. And if this is true, then the person who got there on 20mg was effectively receiving 10-15mg which highlights this point even more.
I was finally successful in getting the 200+mg person to break through. It took about 120mg DMT and 50mg harmine in an E-cig. I had the thing very carefully dialed in, so there was no burning or waste. And honestly, I was expecting it to take much more. She took 7g of dry shrooms once with only moderate affect. She has to chug liquor to catch a buzz and drunk takes serious effort. This is someone who is on the outer edges of the bell curve with everything else, so the ridiculously high dose of DMT is not much of a surprise.

 

[dreamer042]

Totally off topic, but it's my thread and I'll do wut I want! :twisted:

And since I already called eg out for this one...

Here's some Terence porn I thought you would appreciate. 8)

 

[skoobysnax]

Totally off topic, but it's my thread and I'll do wut I want! :twisted:

And since I already called eg out for this one...

Here's some Terence porn I thought you would appreciate. 8)

That's one way to reel in a stray thread! Lol. Spicecraft, I like that one Dreamer042, Ima keep that one for personal use.