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Methoxetamine?!

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^ really? So it's a dissociative and a stimulant? I always thought of this class of molecules as depressants..guess not. It seems odd though because I would assume at a full dose of a dissociative like that one would be just laying there in a trance almost as if asleap, at least thats how people look on ketamine to me if they take enough to hole..never taken it though..only dissociative I have used is salvia which is def not stimulating, different thing though.
 
Psikotrope said:
I'll soon be experimenting with MxE and I was wondering how it would do as a comedown from other substances? Would it ease the comedown at a low dose or just extend it? I.e. could it help bring sleep sooner than without or is it not even worth it?
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My friend who bought half of gram of this used it almost exclusivly at raves when his primary arsenal of acid and or mdma and 4homet started to wear off.

A small bump of mxe gave him a nice calm sensation and boosted any visual effects.

Just to be clear i am really talking about someone else, i only tried this substance at home.
 
yes this stuff is definitely a BIT stimulating..but not too much..i can still fall asleep while on this stuff..but it can also keep me awake..i find small doses of kratom to be more stimulating than mxe..

it really depends on how tired you are..what time of day..and when you have to wake up in the morning..

if i can stay up and dont have to work..i will...but if i have to get up to work..i can fall asleep on it..and feel fine the next day
 
This stuff is absolutely magical. I've been trying to think up a way to describe it but can not. Sure you can list a bunch of sensory effects, etc. but that's just surface level stuff IMO. Experimenting with dosages btw 25-30mg I watched Tron and was brought to tears. I felt as if I had embraced the meaning of life, like held it all warm and cozy like. All the while I was quite clear headed. We live life to live...we must live to ensure future life. It's so f**king simple. It might not sound that deep to you but it was awe inspiring and earth shatteringly profound to me.

This is a substance to be savored and respected. Wonderfully novel.
 
ok so i have been having problems with explaining this stuff to other people...because of its name...people hear meth..and they think its METH..

so this is the chemical name 2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone

and i have decided to call it... M O P E A C H A N......2-(3-MethOxyPhenyl)-2-(EthylAmine)CycloHexANone

so now i call it mopeachan..its completely different and a bit weird..but i hate that people associate this chemical with meth..

so ive been calling it mopeachan..and people are already opening up to it even though they know the old name...

NAMES ARE POWERFUL
 
Jorkest said:
ok so i have been having problems with explaining this stuff to other people...because of its name...people hear meth..and they think its METH..

so this is the chemical name 2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone

and i have decided to call it... M O P E A C H A N......2-(3-MethOxyPhenyl)-2-(EthylAmine)CycloHexANone

so now i call it mopeachan..its completely different and a bit weird..but i hate that people associate this chemical with meth..

so ive been calling it mopeachan..and people are already opening up to it even though they know the old name...

NAMES ARE POWERFUL
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This is exactly why I haven't told any of my friends about this yet.

After some more methoxetamine (or mopeachan :p) experiences, I have come to realize the therapeutic potential of this drug. It has really made me examine my life. The scrutiny is almost uncomfortable. It's a very profound chemical for sure.
 
I thought I would post my recent experience with this, perhaps as a word of caution to others who may be thinking of experimenting with this chemical. The following are oral dosages:

I tried to be as safe as possible with this. I started with a less than 1mg dose to test for allergy/adverse reactions. The next day I did a 1mg dose (allowing for error margin, a max of 2mg), and experienced no discernable effects, possibly something very subtle, but could easily have been placebo.

A few days later, I decided to maintain caution (and having read quite a few reports, the threshold dose for distinct effects seemed to be about the 10mg mark), and moved up to 4mg. Well, this dose hit me hard! An hour in not much was happening, except a very slight stoning effect. But then very suddenly I had a massive hot flushing attack, which made me panic a bit as I wasn't expecting it to hit this hard at this dose.

After this my mind went into a very unsettling mode, although it's hard to say whether this was exclusively because of the drug, or because of the panicking from the bodily sensations. Either way, it certainly WAS introspective (as has been reported by others, and was one of my main reasons for doing it), and made me realise that I have many demons to face, but also didn't give me much insight into HOW to face them! In fact I was filled with despair at the prospect that the drug was simply showing me that my problems are insurmountable, which put me in a very bad place, and one which I doubt I will visit again (at least using this specific chemical to get there anyway!).

Anyway, this experience is obviously very specific and personal to me, and may have nothing to do with the character of the drug, but I think people would be wise to be VERY cautious with dosages. Perhaps work up 1 milligram at a time.

Cheers.
 
Thanks humana, it's good to get these perspectives. How would you characterize or compare the trip? People have been having a hard time with this apparently, but did it touch on other things you've experienced? Any semblance to k, if you're familiar with it?
 
humana said:
After this my mind went into a very unsettling mode, although it's hard to say whether this was exclusively because of the drug, or because of the panicking from the bodily sensations. Either way, it certainly WAS introspective (as has been reported by others, and was one of my main reasons for doing it), and made me realise that I have many demons to face, but also didn't give me much insight into HOW to face them! In fact I was filled with despair at the prospect that the drug was simply showing me that my problems are insurmountable, which put me in a very bad place, and one which I doubt I will visit again (at least using this specific chemical to get there anyway!).
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Are you certain this was MXE? Have other people used this same batch?

This sounds very strange. I've taken 100mg doses that didn't mess with my temperature too much and I haven't read of any similar reports so I'm a little skeptical of your material.
 
For me:

1mg-no effects
10mg-something, not much
20mg-good intro to basic effects, not overwhelming
25-27mg-a pretty good dose for me, haven't went any further

Like the advice above, your research doesn't sound like MxE. Looking at my dosages above I'm fairly lightweight with this substance. But still I got nothing till I hit 10mg and that was just a "hey somethings going on"!

I would:

1. Check your source, can it be tested?
2. Look for reports from others with your specific batch.
3. Look for reports of substances active at 3-4mg and compare your experience.
4. Pay attention to set and setting, this highly effects my trip with this substance.
5. Maybe try 3mg next time if you insist on taking a chance with it not being MxE.

By the way, other than introspection and the negative effects, what else was the experience like? Did it resemble DXM in any way? At low doses it feels like a euphoric DXM without the heavy bodyload.
 
I had a weird experience. I got very strong and very clear effect that were completely different than the 2 previous times I've taken <25mg.

Used a variation of the SwM tactic I mentioned in a few threads. Basically instead of dosing all of it at once I dosed 5mg and hour for the first 3 hours then 5mg at +3:30 and then finally at +4:00.

The trip was much more dissociative and EXTREMELY clear with the 5mg first dose having significantly more side-effect than when I was peaking on the whole 30mg.
I completely would not have taken any methylone at all if I wasn't so F-ed up. I have tested many times and day-after or as I call it gay-after because I can get maybe 10-15% of the positive effects for 1/2 or less as long compared to a 5-day rested methylone dose but it requires >350mg whereas the prior day is would require <200mg.


Here is the entry from my journal: (notes I add for clarification will be bracketed and yellow)
8:54
Took 5mg MXE
took a shower, felt pretty iffy. Now like I planned to distract from trying day-after cathinones and maybe create a get-things-done state in 6-7 hours from now.(MXE after-effect are stimulating and very nice happening at ~+6-7 hours)
Gonna dose kinda like the methylone but instead I'll do 5 5 5 15.

9:44
feeling weird. Strong for 5mg I think.

9:59
took 5mg more.
feeling very get-things-done actually. Quite suprisingly.

10:07
not feeling anything for sure. could just be it is much clearer and less side-effecty.

10:11
feeling pessimistic right now for some reason.
Maybe it is just lagging on the come-up or something though.

11:07
took the MXE rinse so likely 5-7mg at 10:49 (I dissolve it in water at ~1mg per drop and store it in dime-bags)
Feeling weird now. Little giddy

11:18
getting a little clearer and calmer I think.

11:37
heart started pounding so took the remainder of the 5-htp cap from earlier.

11:48
feel very far from sober. Quite intense.
Not scary or anything though.

11:59
took 5mg more, feeling pretty uneasy though.
Unsure what it will do.

12:30
took 5mg more MXE.
That one seemed to do more good than bad, still hard to tell really though.

12:56
gonna take 5mg more at like 12:59 or something then I'll be done I think

12:57
took 500mg l-tyrosine.
feeling a little bored and mildly tripped out.

1:03
took 5mg more just now.
feeling pretty *takes full 5-htp cap* tripped.

1:12
feeling uneasy.
don't really think day-after-cathinone is best for larger dose MXE.
Also unsure how amazing this tactic is with MXE.
Yes it worked and it is clearer each time but it is really long....

1:42
playing some co op ai. (League of legends, versus computers so it is really easy)


1:52
dude this stuff is fucked,

1:55
just took 32mg methylone.
Logically I don't think it will produce anything large but I smoked just alittle D beforehand so it maybe will do something interesting... (I stumbled upon and interesting effect from smoking DMT, then 5-htp then methylone for something similar to a hippie-flip, untested properly though)
Seriously this stuff is fucked, Like swap my brain for someone else's fucked....

1:57 (Smoked >15mg, just wanted pupil dilation)
I am like compelled to not close my eyes cayse I get slight vertigo so when smoking D it is fucked.
Just really really weird state really...

1:58
also kinda not very compulsed to record or write anything I think about.
Really weeeeeird.

2:00
took a little, 1like 100mg bulk 5-htp... (full 100mg caps have filler, so actually amount is a little less than 4 times the bulk)

odded to shit really...

2:04
no dilation, feeling little uneasy.

2:10
feeling a little buzz, no dilation. kinda fuzzy.ness...

2:17
took 14mg more methylone.
feeling a little short of breath. So I suppose I should be careful.

Have the solution at 1mg/drop planning 10mg doses..


2:21
it is weird. I only vaguely remember what happened on any given entries...

2:29
Gonna redose 10mg more at 2:32. Feeling odd right now.

2:32
took 10mg more methylone.
so I have I think a total of ... 64 or something plus the 32mg.
I do have the mind to know that if I don't get anything good off of 96mg then it is not a good idea to do any more.

2:40
kinda feel dirty.
forcing the effect by smoking a little D.
It is the MXE im sure though.
it's pretty fucked.

Yet to get my pupils <40% (0% is sober, 100% is the max they dilate to)
but tripped out OEVs and junk. really crazy actually...
anyway it's kinda like overwhelming but not overwhelming and junk.. I dunno.

2:44
took 10mg more methylone.
Couldn't tell you whether it was urge or curiousity or craving.... I don't really know what's what right now...
I had a hard time counting to 10... honest!

2:53
took 10mg more.
dunno if it was neccessary or it the last one was felt.... i dunno.

2:58
getting a little uneasy.. not physically... I don't think

3:00
feeling fuzzy now I believe.
Tried to look at some (XXX) videos but interest is super low.

3:02
getting very pessimistic now.
gonna take the rest...

3:03
took the rest.
was 16-17mg I think..
Also took the remainder of a 5-htp cap. Took ~100mg bulk like 20 minutes ago or something as well.

3:05
pupils still never got >40%
weird. feels like they should be.
Also when I saw tracers from the D it felt like they should be too...

3:08
feeling distractable, kinda un-pleasable.
Very fuzzy though.... really fuzzy...

3:13
dude it is fucked how weird my memory is and how bad it is...
Kinda getting a little tripped out by it.

3:16
to be honest I've be avidly searching for the timing on previous entries cause it almost seems like what I've experienced on Weed and DMT that I feel that I won't be normal again.. sure I will be but this is damn trippy and junk.

3:32
still neutrally fucked.
gonna pass the time with some co op ai.

4:11
that was whack and tripped out.
The side-effects are MUCH MUCH less than on the 5mg. But I am so fucked...
Highest I've been on MXE for sure. btw.
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That is the 4th or 5th time I've taken >25mg and none of the times were nearly that trippy.

After that it started getting less and less. My brother came over and I told him about the MXE I took and that I was all confused and I kinda felt I was still like 40% of that. Then I looked around and talked a bit and mentioned that I figured it was more like 65% of the peak and he was like "OH. you're on it now???"
After that I went out with some friends at like 7:30 and had some good conversation thought the methylone comedown produced some annoying sedation but I got home at like 11:30 and had a nice night sleep.

Very weird stuff!!
 
Shayku said:
How would you characterize or compare the trip? People have been having a hard time with this apparently, but did it touch on other things you've experienced? Any semblance to k, if you're familiar with it?
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I don't have any experience with K, so can't compare, and the only other dissociative I have taken is nitrous oxide, which I also wouldn't compare it to. However, my dose was probably too low to get any of the properly dissociative effects.

I would say that it is very possible that my reaction had nothing to do with the drug per se, but could be something that is specific to me, regardless of what drug I had taken. However, I would say that the intense body flushing I got is unlikely to be placebo, or a result of panicking, because before it happened I was feeling very minor effects, and was assuming that this would be as intense as it got because it was such a low dose. The flushing then just came on without warning and very suddenly, which then sent me into panic mode.

I have had a similar experience with smoking too much weed one time. It is as if there is a switch in my brain, which can be flipped by any drug at any moment, which sends me into existential crisis mode. I begin to come face to face with the horrible idea that I am all there is, and all the suffering and sorrow in the world is a projection of me.

For those asking about the source and whether I had the real deal, I'm aware that vendor discussion is not allowed, but if anyone wants a PM with the info (assuming that is allowed?), please let me know. Perhaps you'd be able to inform me whether I got the genuine article or not? What I will say is that I did as much research as I could, and all the info I found about the vendor on the net only had positive things to say.
 
q21q21 said:
took the MXE rinse so likely 5-7mg at 10:49 (I dissolve it in water at ~1mg per drop and store it in dime-bags)
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Do you know what the max solubility of MXE in water is? I'm interested in dosing this way. Also, did you do sublingual or oral with the rinse?
 
EnterTheVoid said:
q21q21 said:
took the MXE rinse so likely 5-7mg at 10:49 (I dissolve it in water at ~1mg per drop and store it in dime-bags)
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Do you know what the max solubility of MXE in water is? I'm interested in dosing this way. Also, did you do sublingual or oral with the rinse?
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Oral and it seems that this is pretty close to the max in room temp maybe, it needs to be warmed first to dissolve. Each drop is ~0.05ml so maybe 20-30mg per ml
 
۩ said:
spacegiraffe,

"No discussion is allowed about selling drugs, buying drugs,..."


Please read this^
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I'm asking about the legality of the drug. Stating that I'm considering buying the 1 gram of the drug if legal is not discussing buying the drug. I'm not asking for anything related to buying or selling of the drug and after seeing people state how they plan or have bought the drug all throughout this thread, surely I'm not in the wrong here otherwise many, many other members are.

I merely want to know it's legal state in Australia, as far as I know I can ask about that.
 
easyrider said:
Here's some quote I found while searching on google:

It doesn't appear to be scheduled specifically under the DoHaA (http://www.health.gov.au/internet/m...es-compliance-prohibited-impexp-precursor.htm) substances requiring import and or export authorisations, however, I'm pretty sure it would be covered under the analogues act.
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Thanks, I guess I won't be trying this drug then until I move to Canada.
I don't know why we have an analogues act, all it does it prevent people like me from exploring drugs. I guess it's the same reason we have such strict laws regarding DMT; the disillision that such drugs are being used commercially.
 
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