Mushrooms and DMT

[Blue Bird]

Hello all,

I'm a new traveler to this remarkable community. I've heard it said before that you don't find DMT, it finds you. Well, I began researching this topic over a year ago, finding it fascinating at the time, and then it fell into the back of my mind as nothing ever really came of it. (Meaning, I was intrigued and wanted to know more but had never met anyone who had tried it or could give me more information).

Somehow the topic has fallen into my lap again, and this time I feel that I'm really ready to explore it further.

My question is this: After reading The Spirit Molecule, I am curious about the similarities between a mushroom--Psilocybin--trip and a DMT trip. Strassman says that they are very similar molecules and the quality of the trips is similar, although DMT of course provides a much deeper experience. Can anyone provide me with some personal comparisons?
I remember my first mushroom trip as an incredible, enlightening experience. I remember laying on the floor and looking up at the ceiling, experiencing beautiful Eastern-ish patterns forming out of the ceiling, including a many-armed female goddess, who was creating these images for me and was pleased at my appreciation of them. Then I turned and looked at the carpet and realized it was made of worms and grubs. Disgusting but also beautiful and intriguing.

Anyway, sadly I've never had quite such an amazing experience on mushrooms again. I wonder if one builds a tolerance to it. I do still see "patterns" start to emerge in things. This lets me know I'm "there."

Okay, well this has become a bit of a ramble, but as it's my first post I hope you won't mind that I've taken the opportunity to introduce myself and let you know a little bit about who I am and what I've experienced. I would love to hear from you!
Love always.

 

[gammagore]

Hi Blue Bird, welcome to the Nexus

Im sure if you find the right shroom and take enough of them you will have another amazing experience.

Personaly ive never take HIGH enough doses of shrooms to have a DMT like experience, but soon that should change

 

[polytrip]

Whether mushrooms are simmilar or not depends on the sort and dosage.
Some shrooms, and this might have something to do with ratio´s between psilocybin, psilocin and other tryptamines in them, will never give you a full DMT type of experience, while others will in even pretty moderate dose.

The psilocybe azurescens is the strongest of them all and may already give you a full DMT breakthrough when you take more than 15 grams of fresh ones (wich is probably 1.5 grams when dried).

Each shroom is different and has a unique character.

Many of them are in no sense weak compared to DMT.

Hawaians can provide an experience that is equal in intensity but with a slightly different character, a bit more energetic and very clean.
Semilancaeta is simmilar to hawaians but even more energetic.

There are also shrooms that are more foggy and less enjoyable in very large breakrthough doses.

 

[OPT]

Ive always been fascinated by the human potential and the recognition of the spirit and how it can guide us. I am very interested in learning more about soulful potential.

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[DmnStr8]

Check out a guy by the name of Kilindi Iyi.

This dude ingests up to 31 grams of mushrooms. The most I have ever ingested is nine grams and I was out of my mind trippin. I cannot imagine ingesting as much as this guy does. He claims the experience is more powerful than that of a dmt journey.

Please take care when using high doses of any psychedelic. These experiences can be far harder to endure than a DMT journey. They last much longer. A 12-16+ hour high dose LSD trip can be a lot more difficult than a 20 min DMT journey. Changa can provide a longer journey but still is not a taxing as a high dose LSD trip.

Mushrooms last about 6-8 hours. This is still much longer than a DMT trip. Just the duration alone is enough to provide much more to bring back with you.

All these teachers teach in much different ways with some similarities. Personally I see no need to compare. They are all unique. They all provide a unique perspective and unlock new perceptions. Psychedelic classrooms.

 

[DmnStr8]

Ive always been fascinated by the human potential and the recognition of the spirit and how it can guide us. I am very interested in learning more about soulful potential.

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[maranello551]

The psilocybe azurescens is the strongest of them all and may already give you a full DMT breakthrough when you take more than 15 grams of fresh ones (wich is probably 1.5 grams when dried).

I highly doubt this.

For me , even at 10g strong dry cubensis, I wasn't anywhere near a DMT breakthrough.....more like subbreakthrough dmt space.....

 

[maranello551]

Whether mushrooms are simmilar or not depends on the sort and dosage.
Some shrooms, and this might have something to do with ratio´s between psilocybin, psilocin and other tryptamines in them, will never give you a full DMT type of experience, while others will in even pretty moderate dose.


Many of them are in no sense weak compared to DMT.

This is very true.

 

[dreamer042]

DMT and psilocin really are so similar as to be nearly identical, both chemically and experientally. To refer to psilocin as "orally active DMT" as Strassman and others have, is absolutely apt. I suspect the contradictory opinions are less the result of a difference in the effects of the molecules and more of differences in adminstration method and individual metabolism.

The hush toned whispers amongst the experienced heads mention vaporized psilocin being more intense and longer lasting, at slightly lower dosages, than vaporized DMT. Assuming sufficient MAO inhibition via harmalas, dosage for oral DMT is moar or less on par with dosage of synthetic psilocybin and 4-aco-DMT. When harmalas are combined with psilocybin/psilacetin/mushrooms there is an increase of effects per dose of roughly 3-4 fold. When you look at the numbers, by all accounts psilocin (which psilocybin/psilacetin break down to in the body) is slightly more potent than DMT. Both compounds are absolutely capable of allowing one to "breakthrough" to the hyperspacial realms, given sufficient dosage and administration technique.

There certainly is a huge difference in potency between mushroom species and even subvarieties. A dried cubensis and a fresh pan cyan are entirely diferent experiences, the latter being a lot closer to a DMT experience than the former. Even among cubes, an albino or a penis envy is pretty different from a fairly run of the mill treasure coast or costa rica. Even the difference between a fresh and dry cube, or a tea and a lemon tek, can be quite substantial.

While you can absolutely "get there" on mushrooms it usually requires dosages that are fairly hard on the body. For full dissolution, I generally prefer to go for oral and/or smoked DMT or combine harmalas with 1/4 my normal mushroom dose, which ime tends to go even deeper than the aya/DMT does.