Nathanial.Dread
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I'm mostly posting this to get the information out there and help contribute the the literature on Kratom. It's about 24 hours after I dosed (3 grams + 1 additional gram about an hour later), and I feel like absolute s**t. I've tried kratom 3 times before: 2 grams wasn't that impressive, 6 definitely felt like overdose (profound sedation, dysphoria, extreme nausea etc) so I thought I was aiming for a middle-of-the-road dose but I am done now. Going to liquidate the rest of my ounce tonight.
The experience started out well enough, I dosed 3g around 2pm, to give myself plenty of time to be back by bedtime (everyone agrees Kratom interferes with sleep and based on my low-dose experiments and research, ~6 hours seemed about right) after eating a very light meal. After about an hour, I didn't feel as much as I wanted so took another gram. It kicked in earnest not long after that: I felt all the usual effects (lethargy, itching, feelings of well-being, although nothing I'd call euphoria or anything all that impressive), and ended up going into a pretty deep nod around 3:30, which lasted until 5:00. At that point, the well-being seemed to fade and nausea set in pretty badly.
Every time I got up to urinate (which Kratom makes me do a lot) I became dizzy and nauseous. As long as I lay in bed not doing anything I was okay, but very quickly, anxiety and feelings of profound 'wrongness' set in. By about 9:00pm (7+ hours after first dose) I was having very bizarre experiences. I was getting closed eye visuals of people who seemed to be covered in mold or fungi and 'hearing' a kind of toothless mumbling that disturbed me immensely. It sounded like the noise a severely mentally challenged person might make, and my head was full of thoughts of ordinary people subjected to ruinous torture and experimentation.
When I closed my eyes, I would quickly loose a sense of where I was, feeling like I was staring down into some alternately enormously deep space, or like a wall was rushing towards me. Every time I shifted, my heart rate spiked abnormally high and I was seized with nausea.
Eventually, around midnight (t+10hrs) I fell asleep and had abnormally strange dreams. If I had to pick a word to describe the evening, the only one that does it justice is 'lovecraftian.'
Today, I still feel terrible, although not as bad as I did the night before. Eating makes me nauseous and every time I stand up, I get a terrible head rush and dizziness. Worse, I am incredibly anxious, seemingly innocuous things trigger intense feelings of stress and my heart rate has been elevated all day. I considered going for a run, but I can't seem to get motivated to do anything, I've spent the entire day on the couch, thinking that I *should* be getting something done (thankfully I have this week off from morning class), but just can't seem to be able to. Nothing is appealing, nothing seems worth it. My focus is absolutely shot (it took me about an hour to write this).
To cap it all off, I can feel a truly epic migraine coming on.
I am convinced that there is more going on with kratom than just opiate receptor agonism. Perhaps some kind of serotonergic activity brought about the lightly psychotic effects from last night, and maybe some kind of residual adrengeric activity could explain my strange anxiety/stress all day.
I'll see how I feel tomorrow.
Hopefully if someone else ends up going through this and searching for help, they'll find this post and know they're not alone.
It was total 4 grams of Sumatra Red Vein kratom, nothing abnormally high. Maybe it's just my brain chemistry, but this feel less like a recreational drug and more like a very effective instrument of torture. 5+ hours of mediocre pseudo-opiate glow is hardly worth another 20 hours of this.
(For the record, I do not use opiates at all, rarely smoke cannabis and have been taking a break from psychedelics as I focus on school work and other methods of spiritual and self-development. The only drug I regularly take is benadryl, for insomnia, and the last time I used that was a week ago, so I doubt it was any sort of lingering drug interaction. My last kratom experience had been 3 weeks ago.)
Blessings
~ND
The experience started out well enough, I dosed 3g around 2pm, to give myself plenty of time to be back by bedtime (everyone agrees Kratom interferes with sleep and based on my low-dose experiments and research, ~6 hours seemed about right) after eating a very light meal. After about an hour, I didn't feel as much as I wanted so took another gram. It kicked in earnest not long after that: I felt all the usual effects (lethargy, itching, feelings of well-being, although nothing I'd call euphoria or anything all that impressive), and ended up going into a pretty deep nod around 3:30, which lasted until 5:00. At that point, the well-being seemed to fade and nausea set in pretty badly.
Every time I got up to urinate (which Kratom makes me do a lot) I became dizzy and nauseous. As long as I lay in bed not doing anything I was okay, but very quickly, anxiety and feelings of profound 'wrongness' set in. By about 9:00pm (7+ hours after first dose) I was having very bizarre experiences. I was getting closed eye visuals of people who seemed to be covered in mold or fungi and 'hearing' a kind of toothless mumbling that disturbed me immensely. It sounded like the noise a severely mentally challenged person might make, and my head was full of thoughts of ordinary people subjected to ruinous torture and experimentation.
When I closed my eyes, I would quickly loose a sense of where I was, feeling like I was staring down into some alternately enormously deep space, or like a wall was rushing towards me. Every time I shifted, my heart rate spiked abnormally high and I was seized with nausea.
Eventually, around midnight (t+10hrs) I fell asleep and had abnormally strange dreams. If I had to pick a word to describe the evening, the only one that does it justice is 'lovecraftian.'
Today, I still feel terrible, although not as bad as I did the night before. Eating makes me nauseous and every time I stand up, I get a terrible head rush and dizziness. Worse, I am incredibly anxious, seemingly innocuous things trigger intense feelings of stress and my heart rate has been elevated all day. I considered going for a run, but I can't seem to get motivated to do anything, I've spent the entire day on the couch, thinking that I *should* be getting something done (thankfully I have this week off from morning class), but just can't seem to be able to. Nothing is appealing, nothing seems worth it. My focus is absolutely shot (it took me about an hour to write this).
To cap it all off, I can feel a truly epic migraine coming on.
I am convinced that there is more going on with kratom than just opiate receptor agonism. Perhaps some kind of serotonergic activity brought about the lightly psychotic effects from last night, and maybe some kind of residual adrengeric activity could explain my strange anxiety/stress all day.
I'll see how I feel tomorrow.
Hopefully if someone else ends up going through this and searching for help, they'll find this post and know they're not alone.
It was total 4 grams of Sumatra Red Vein kratom, nothing abnormally high. Maybe it's just my brain chemistry, but this feel less like a recreational drug and more like a very effective instrument of torture. 5+ hours of mediocre pseudo-opiate glow is hardly worth another 20 hours of this.
(For the record, I do not use opiates at all, rarely smoke cannabis and have been taking a break from psychedelics as I focus on school work and other methods of spiritual and self-development. The only drug I regularly take is benadryl, for insomnia, and the last time I used that was a week ago, so I doubt it was any sort of lingering drug interaction. My last kratom experience had been 3 weeks ago.)
Blessings
~ND
This is why I stick with extracts/fortified leaf.
