~Phalaris = The Way Of The Future~

[TheShaman101]

Dear fellow scientists,

I have new insights into Phalaris brachystachys, that i'd like to share with you. First of all, I've grown it outdoors this time, with the same seeds that i used for the other indoor grow which my last experiment was with. I harvested about 30grams, dried material from one batch. Harvest was Mid of May, i am located in the DACH Region - Europe. I considered that many of you said, it could be dangerous in that sense that one does not know if it has Meo in it or not, but as I used the same seeds that gave me material clearly without Meo, i gave it a try. Before i did this, i spoke with the spirit of Brachys, which i found quite interesting what he said. The spirit told me it's a "destroyer" spirit, yet playing for God's Team. So he's clearly on the light side, not the darkness. And it's job is to destroy the Ego, when one takes it. It does not care if you are not yet ready for some wounds, it will just open the wound and you will suffer.

So, now to the experiment. I brewed 20 grams dried (for 24 hours at 40 Degree celsius) + 6 grams of syrian rue. I did both cook about 45 Minutes in Ph below 5, then filtered the plant material, mixed the liquids together and did boil it another 2-3 Hours. I took it together with my wife, so we both had about 10 grams. The first 30 Minutes, we didn't feel much, then the effect started very slowly and after 1,5 hours we could feel the full effect. It was an exteremely intense purging process, very astral. I basically felt my body and my spirit as separate and often times vomitted, but not physically, just with my spirit. This also took place when going to toilet. I went to toilet, because i needed to pee, and i did pee, but not physically. Later on we had sex, and same thing happened. I experienced one orgasms after the other, yet not physically. Only spiritually. We kind of had soul sex, for 30 Minutes something with more than 10 orgasms each. I can tell you guys, that was incredible!!!

That intense purging then lasted for 4-5 hours, with a peak after ~2 hours after ingestion. Same was for my wife, she also said it was an incredible intense purging process. I am used to the Amazonian ayahuasca, and i would say, brachystachys is even tougher than that. It is not gentle at all and even more astral in my experience. The day after, i felt that intense purging. I could clean up a ton of shit in one night, many of them were astral attachements.

I can conclude that it is definitely an ayahuasca analogue, but its not for first timers. And i can say for sure, that outdoor grows, are much more potent than indoor. My last experiment was with 15grams indoors, and that was by far not that potent than 10grams outdoors. Another interesting thing is, while the experience i spoke with the spirit once again, and it told me it has to be cooked for at least 16 hours togehter with the MAo, in order to fully merge into one liquid. So i will give that definitely a try next time.

But keep in mind, if you are at the beginning of spiritual awakening, this could crush you totally. It might open wounds you are not at all ready for. But for experienced ayahuasqueros, you can try.

I didn't feel any Meo-Dmt at all, i must say. So maybe it has to do with the genetics of brachys, maybe some genetics are not that pure or whatever. But real brachys should be without Meo, as far as my research shows me.

Neurobloom mentioned performing a TLC on a the batch, to deal with the Meo issue. my guess would be that this is realy the best way to deal with it. Another idea i had would be vaporizing it in small amounts to see if Meo is in there - my thought is that vaporized Meo doesn't potentially kill you. What do you think guys?

 

[Grasshoppers]

NMT and 5-MeO-NMT in P. arundinacea

I visited a more distant location today to collect P. arundinacea samples, and they turned out to be quite interesting.

• Sample 15 has NMT as its primary alkaloid.
• Samples 10 and 12 contain mostly gramine.
• All of the other samples contain 5-MeO-NMT, although the concentrations vary considerably.
• All samples contain a unidentified non fluorescent compound. (maybe 6-methoxy-2-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-ß-carboline?)

This confirms that P. arundinacea specimen can contain methoxylated and non-methoxylated tryptamines. The next step is to find a specimen that carries out dimethylation, producing not only gramine but also DMT or 5-MeO-DMT.


wet 275nm fluorescence


dry 275nm fluorescence


365nm fluorescence (wet and dry is identical)


dry 275nm fluorescence

 

[neurobloom]

NMT arudinacea chemotype (sample 015) is highly intriguing to me. There's no Gramine, no DMT neither 5-meo-dmt not betacarbolines that's odd and rare!

From literature we know arudinacea has 4 chemotypes:
1- DMT dominant
2- 5-meo-dmt dominant
3- gramine dominant
4- betacarbolines dominant

And some strains having combinations of such alkaloids when harvested from mixed plants from seeds vs single clone.

But NMT only clone? That's never been reported as far as i know. It's Worth saving that clone for sure and any Future NMT clones (hopefully with higher yield) for arudinacea breeding.

The 5-meo-nmt chemotype clones on that plate are equally interesting have you bioassayed that profile yet? On the nexus there's only one report of a 5-meo-nmt dominant arudinacea bioassay by @jamie many years ago and it had if I remember correctly 40% of the extract as betacarbolines with some DMT and NMT and gramine.. but major chunk of tryptamines were 5-meo-nmt.

@jamie could you link your bioassay here? I lost that post buried under a long thread.
I also had 5-meo-nmt present in Tanit bioassays before but it wasn't the Major tryptamine. 5-meo-dmt was multiple times higher ratio.

Comparing Jamie's bioassay with @Grasshoppers and mine will be quiet interesting since they all contain 5-meo-nmt with varying proportions of other admixtures.

 

[Jamie01]

I will check it at lunch to see if I can find a bioassay of that specific extract. I vaped extracts collected from that population of wild arundinacea a good number of times back then and a lot of what I experienced could have been from 5-Me0-NMT I guess.

 

[Jamie01]

The first post/report is pretty typical of what these extracts were doing. It’s not the exact one endlessness has analyzed but it’s from grasses collected in the same spot.

 

[Jamie01]

Thread 'phalaris teacher.'

Aug 26, 2013

Well, I finally got this thing dialed I think. Roughly 2 kilos fresh(232g dry..not sure exactly what that is fresh) arundinacea was harvested late july into early august from a wild patch nearby, during an extended period of sunny hot days.

Extraction was typical a/b, only using sodium carbonate as a base and sunflower oil as the np solvent. Solvent was salted with acetic acid and water a number of times. Alkaloid liquid solution was then evaporated, mixed with baking soda/water and dried again and then pulled 2 times with 99% iso, filtered and evaporated to yield maybe 2-300mg(edit, more...

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[Grasshoppers]

@TheShaman101

A very interesting report—thank you for sharing it. However, please remain cautious. Methoxylated compounds are typically an order of magnitude more potent, and tyramines in combination with beta-carbolines can potentially trigger a hypertensive crisis.

The risks associated with the oral consumption of untested plants genuinely concern me. TLC is a quick, inexpensive, and effective method for screening plant material to determine whether it contains methoxylated or non-methoxylated tryptamines. Please take care of yourself and your wife.

@neurobloom

Isn't it interesting that my sample contains:

• 5-MeO-NMT-type compounds
• Gramine-type compounds

yet shows neither DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, nor beta-carboline-type compounds?

Instead, there appears to be an NMT-type compound present. This suggests that the current literature may be incomplete. Hopefully, I will eventually identify samples containing DMT or 5-MeO-DMT as well.

Perhaps the beta-carbolines were not extracted efficiently? Or is it the spot only clearly visible after iodine staining?

@Jamie01
Thank you for sharing the report. I will soon be posting another report on an P arundinacea sample that appears to be dominated by 5-MeO-NMT.

 

[aizoaceous]

But real brachys should be without Meo, as far as my research shows me.

This is unfortunately not true. Trout's Some Simple Tryptamines reports 5-MeO-DMT in Appleseed's accessions of P. brachystachys, wild types obtained from the USDA (pages 28 and 126 of the second edition). I have confirmed this myself by HPLC on an unknown, probably different accession, seeds sold as P. brachystachys with no other information but morphology including panicle consistent with the claimed species.

All species of Phalaris investigated so far show significant variation in alkaloids within the species. Identification to the species is absolutely not sufficient to determine whether a given plant will be safe to consume. I'm glad you had a good experience, but I've personally grown P. brachystachys with ~1% 5-MeO-DMT by dry weight. Twenty grams of that would have been ~200 mg, which is probably around the dose that caused the 2004 fatality. I assume yours contained much less; but it's hard to say just from subjective effects that it contained zero, and the physical euphoria that you report sounds more like 5-MeO-DMT than DMT to me.

If you can't get a test (by TLC or professional lab), then it would be safer to consume by smoking, since the rapid onset makes it harder to misjudge the dose. That said, a dangerous overdose by smoking is still possible and Shulgin reports a quite bad experience smoking synthetic 5-MeO-DMT in TiHKAL:

(with an unknown but large amount, smoked) I observed the subject pass very quickly into an almost coma-like state. Within seconds his face became purple and his breathing stopped. I pounded his chest, and breathed for him, and he seemed to emerge in consciousness, with the comment, "This is absolute ecstasy." [...] Three days later, medical intervention with antipsychotic medication was provided, which allowed the recovery of an acceptable behavior pattern in a few more days.

Extraction of the alkaloids into a nonpolar solvent would probably also stop most of the nausea, and remove the risk of the (completely unknown, with even less history of human consumption) non-alkaloid constituents. That would also reject any tyramine present.