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Psychedelics and Intimate Relationships

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Recently I took a trip to the Appalachian Mountains and took some LSD in an isolated forest with my partner. It was a beautiful trip among the trees, and we stumbled across some absolutely beautiful geological formations in the woods and some crazy waterfalls. She even saw her first entity poke in during a meditation we did together under a waterfall. We have tripped together once in the past, but this was slightly earlier in our relationship.

While we were already deeply bonded, our trip together brought us even closer than before. I feel that psychedelics open us up spiritually and emotionally and allow for deeper bonding and connections. Open communication is paramount to successful relationships, and psychedelics can help foster that (and communication can lead to better trips too!). However, fear, paranoia, and delusions about the other person/people could also be possible if given a poor environment.

How do you think psychedelic usage of either one or both partners affect relationships? Have you had experience with this? What was the end result? How are relationships that involve psychs different from ones that do not? I'm curious to see more opinions on this, as a lot of relationship advice given both online and in many other media seems to be geared toward non-psychedelic couples.
 
Very nice story. I can't think of a better place to trip than a mountain waterfall. I have only had the pleasure of tripping in this environment once, and I'll never forget the feeling of harmony with nature.
In regards to relationships, these are substances that dissolve the illusive barriers between you and your partner. This process can only bring us closer to one another, and has proved this for thousands of years. The indigenous cultures that center their communities around entheogens are not only more symbiotic with their natural environment, but more symbiotic with each other. You both share an affinity to this mind changing, and thus reality changing phenomenon. It can only strengthen your emotional bond. The physical bond it offers is pretty fantastic as well ;)

This being said, I still hold that this is such a personal endeavor, there comes a point at which you attain something that cannot be shared. Until our language can evolve to more effectively convey these abstractions, there are revelations and insights that would fall flat on someone else's experience, and their overwhelming value is only so for the individual who had the experience. Hyperspace is so vastly dynamic, we must share experiences with a sense of subjectivity, and not assume our truth is necessarily anyone else's.
 
Psychedelics are a big part of my partner's and my relationship. We met at a forum for sharing entheogenic plants and became close friends, then met in person and fell deeply in love. We both feel like we've found our twin dragon in each other, even though neither of us believed there was such a thing prior to finding each other.

We trip about every two weeks together, and consider it to be our sacred space along with our sexual space. During our psychedelic experiences, we both feel so powerfully that we've found heaven in our love.

We play like the God and Goddess that we are. We create our world there.

I watch him morph and change, looking closely to be sure I'll be able to recognize him next life no matter what he looks like. He tells me he sees me embody all of the feminine archetypes he's ever been drawn too, morphing from moment to moment.

There is absolutely magic in love and psychedelics, and I wouldn't rather be anyone, anywhen, or anywhere than right here, right now experiencing true love with my partner who shares that sacred, beautiful space with me. I have the answers to the big questions in life in what he and I have found. :love:
 
Psychedelics will strengthen a relationship if they are used respectfully because they help open your heart and help you appreciate things in life like people you love. They often help you express yourself to each other and are also a good way to create exciting memories together. Only exception is when you are not good for each other - then psychedelics might help you accept this so you can move on. Either way is good.

Some of my favorite memories with my wife are going deep into the forest with a bit of San pedro or mushrooms, or traveling all over Peru working with medicine there... Good bonding.
 
My Ex and I used to trip a lot together, when we were fresh and weren't in a toxic state in our relationship, we had very beautiful experiences, however, we just didnt click and the more we took trips together, the more lost we became. Sometimes, when we were both fully connected to our own true essences, we would both click, but I didnt trust this person and so the trips would always take me to dark places with paranoia and fear arising towards the other.

I've begun seeing a new person and her and I are very open and communicate well, unlike my past relationship who struggled to tell the truth, she wants to try magic mushrooms so if I get my hands on some, I think i'll take her on a little camping trip and we'll have a journey together and I can be shaman as well as loving partner in the experience, whichever necessary, especially for a first timer.

My love ~~MC~~
 
i might add i really dont trust people who havent tripped,
both relationships and friends.


i just simply dont get close with anyone whos not a verifiable psychonaut.

i started tripping on a regular basis as a kid.
all thru HS i dated nothing but college guys......it was the early 70's,
and frankly , alot of blotters and pot made me less mean about dating in general.
so i never really developed the mindset to date people without a psychedelic component.

so before i was 17, my dating strategy was simply date hot psyche dealers.
or hair bands..........hair bands have access to everything always.
plus ya get the touring and music.
all ya have to do is stay giggling, avoid coke and heroin,but smoke all the pot in sight,
and ,fight other groupies once in a while.
and get beat up occasionally when outnumbered.
^ and peeps wonder why i associate sex and fighting and hallucinogens.
hmmmm.
after 17 , i had anything i wanted , guys or not.
but i still require that anyone that gets near me must trip.
trip + hot alpha = annie date........impress me and my white rabbit.

i may or may not be "friendly", but third date were gonna trip.

^ all the above never limited my dating.
i just dont simply even SEE potential mates, without a psyche component.
like OMG your hot, but no way your tripping, see ya.
this goes for friendships also.
my maid has been with me since i was 16 , i would have fired her before i was 17 if she wouldnt eat blotters with me.........

as fawked as it sounds,
if ya want more from me than the " annie basic civility and run" treatment,
i need to see/ hear something that says you trip.
fer real, no nibblers.

fortunately all my family almost has eaten psyches.
my dad hasnt, but i despise him anyway, so its a wash.
gram never ate any, BUT , alot of estate visitors HAD , in the 60's 70,
so she was a strong sympathizer,
and was well informed on me and sisters psyche antics,
on the estate.........so she was cool.
^ point is , i REALLY dont like non trippers around me at all.
its a big big deal to me , always has been.

of course by the time i get close with anyone,
im mostly there anyway.
i still am on excellent terms with everyone who i had relationships with.
even the ones who ceased tripping with me.

does it do anything amazing for a relationship?
IMO hell ya, if nothing else it weeds em out.
honestly, if ya cant peel walls with a sweetie.........whats the point.
 
anne halonium said:
i might add i really dont trust people who havent tripped,
both relationships and friends.

i just simply dont get close with anyone whos not a verifiable psychonaut.

does it do anything amazing for a relationship?
IMO hell ya, if nothing else it weeds em out.
honestly, if ya cant peel walls with a sweetie.........whats the point.

I could not agree more with anne here...

You're simply not going to ever be a super-close friend or lover or partner of mine unless you're gonna trip with me, period...

That's been my M.O. for decades now & it ain't gonna change.

Oh, I'll always be polite, kind & compassionate, but you're not going to ever really know me well until we're out on the river tripping balls in a canoe or climbing a mountain or inspecting & testing fruits in the orchards.
 
Having had partners who have tripped with me and partners who havent i would say that for me it really doesnt matter one way or another as long as we communicate well. There are pros and cons to each but i quite like seeing the perspective of someone who isnt into tripping. Having said that i dont believe that i have been in a relationship with some one who hasnt tripped at some time in their life. Having also said that one of my best friends has never done psychedelics but this fact certainly doesn"t detract from the fact that she is a genuinely good person that i have no trouble relating to on many levels. Maybe psychedelics just arn"t important enough for me to not enter into close relationships with people that arnt into them.
 
I know E's bring people closer together and form an extra bond between people, from experience.

I am possibly entering a new relationship and I've thought long and hard about explaining plants from the Amazon to her but it will be hard for her to come to terms with, I think.
People fear what they don't understand.

I hear what's being said about trusting people who don't do psychedelics. Plus I would want the person I am with to become a better person, like I have become. (don't mean to blow my own trumpet)
 
I took LSD and MDMA with my gf a number of times before we got together, and I am quite thankful for it. She became my best friend, and then I fell in love with her. I don't know if it is/was necessary, but something happened between us that I cannot explain the first time we took acid together. It was like telepathy.
 
My guess it's neither good or bad, like any tool.

I figure it will maybe magnify or bring to the surface negative or positive aspects of your relationship.

Tripping with my girl was an amazing experience.

I know a couple that tripped a lot together on mushrooms and Lucy. They ended up breaking up because the mushrooms told him that she was cheatting on him, which later she admitted.

That's coming from one side of the story mind you, but regardless it was the tripping together that brought out the feelings that lead to their spit. I figure it probably just happened sooner as opposed to later thanks to the tripping.
 
I'd say it was the cheating, not the tripping that led to that split.

I do think psychedelics put people more in touch with their feelings and intuition, but that's a good thing in an honest relationship and a benefit if it's gets you out of a dishonest one.
 
Continuum said:
I'd say it was the cheating, not the tripping that led to that split.

I do think psychedelics put people more in touch with their feelings and intuition, but that's a good thing in an honest relationship and a benefit if it's gets you out of a dishonest one.

Yes I agree. What I'm saying is that it wouldn't have happened at that point if it weren't for the tripping. As I said they probably would have split down the road.

My point is that the outcome might not appear to be great on the surface when a couple decides to trip. Many people that end up splitting as a result of the tripping together experience might lean to blame it on the tripping, but I feel it would probably just be speeding up what was naturally going to occur anyway.

I just don't want someone to think that it's always going to make your relationship stronger, it could advance it it the other direction.
 
^ i would offer no trips = no relationship = no loss.
and if ya cant trip harmoniously with someone = good riddance.

never met a non tripping guy i couldnt replace with a guy who trips.

im just too evolved to accept non tripping mates of no use to me.
its just non negotiable.
punch that ticket with your teeth or hit the road!


( this is one of the main reasons im only seen on alt drug type forums.
i really dont accept people that DONT trip as fully human, and sorta consider them dangerous socially)

its "family first" values IMO.
 
I would be lying if I said it did not matter to me. It does matter. The psychedelic festivals and dance scene has had a huge impact on my life and I plan my summers around festivals now. It would be a rather big thing between us if we were not both into that culture. I know people who's bf's or gf's don't go to festivals with them etc..and you just share too much with other people and experiences etc, IME(esp with psychs invovled) to just hold back because of someone at home waiting for you. Some people can do it, and that is great. I have seen people split because of this divide however. It's not easy.

Taking LSD together with my gf has been the deepest experiences I have ever had with another human. I took mushrooms and ayahuasca with people in the past, and it was profound..Maybe it's because I fell so deeply in love with my gf, it's just that nothing else in the past compares..maybe it's that acid is special that way(it is, IMO)..I think it's both.

I am just very thankful for those experiences. Taking MDMA with her, the first time we met, was one of the most healing and theraputic experiences of my life. Acid, is pure mysticism. We take mushrooms and just freak out together.

I got an acid queen <3

I don't know how much it matter after the fact. Whatever happened that first time we took acid, left an imprint that bonded us. It's there now, regardless. If she chose to never trip again it would not change how I feel.
 
jamie said:
I got an acid queen <3

^ and anything less jamie,
would not be worthy of an acid king!
good job.


we are the high priests and priestess of the new age.
we dont have to date heathens.
heathens can just date each other.
 
It's also nice to be with someone who inspires me to take more. It's usually me who plans on taking less, until she doubles it..and I follow suit. There is something really sexy about a woman willing to down 300+ mics of LSD.
 
anne halonium said:
^ i would offer no trips = no relationship = no loss.
and if ya cant trip harmoniously with someone = good riddance.

never met a non tripping guy i couldnt replace with a guy who trips.

im just too evolved to accept non tripping mates of no use to me.
its just non negotiable.
punch that ticket with your teeth or hit the road!


( this is one of the main reasons im only seen on alt drug type forums.
i really dont accept people that DONT trip as fully human, and sorta consider them dangerous socially)

its "family first" values IMO.

As my relationship with psychedelics is relatively fresh and still being defined, i definitely wouldn't hold my self to such an absolute rule as you do. But after tripping with my GF I can understand your reasoning for it.
 
Well, this is definitely an interesting subject! My girlfriend takes psychedelics with me on nearly every occasion, unless I happen to be tripping alone, which is rare (but not a bad thing, btw). I think psychedelics have the capacity to make your bond stronger, but also the capacity to destroy it.

One of my ex-girlfriends was a Mr. Mackey of sorts saying, "Drugs are bad, m'kay? Don't take drugs kids...if you take drugs than you are bad, m'kay? M'kay..." But after a while, she started smoking cigarettes and weed, possibly because I wore her down after some time with all the evidence that weed isn't as bad as society says...I don't know how cigs fit into that picture but we will leave it at that for now. Eventually, she got to the point where she let me grow some mushrooms and even took them with me every once in a while...but I always felt very distant from her in those states...not connected whatsoever.

So, one time I took 4g of shrooms a couple of hours before my ex got home from work, thinking they would have worn off in time. But alas, they did not and I was still speechlessly tripping when she came home in a rage. I'm telling you that being in an unexpected fight with someone you (used to) love while being emotionally vulnerable because of the mushrooms, was one of the most horrific trips I have ever encountered. She looked like the devil as she spat her hurtful words at me, all because I was tripping and hadn't taken the trash out yet.

She had a bad day at work and was putting it all on me. Sure, maybe I should have warned her that I was tripping, but perhaps she should have been a bit more sympathetic towards the wide eyed and terrified man she was yelling at. It still bounces around my head every now and again, "why don't you get it? why don't you fucking get it!?" she screamed this over and over at me. I just kept saying "I don't know, I'm sorry, stop yelling..." practically chanting it. I'm not trying to throw a pity party here or anything, hell it was years ago but the point is that from that moment on, I knew it wouldn't last and that our relationship was doomed. She didn't love me like she said she did. The psychedelics showed me that over time. We were stupid high school sweethearts who didn't know anything else besides the mess we were living in.

Funny thing is that she left because of the psychedelics and blamed them for changing me. So on the other side of the spectrum, I gave credit to the drugs for showing me what a heartless, selfish, and cruel person I was being smothered by.

So fast forward to the present and I am now with a wonderful girl who loves me unconditionally, and she loves the psychedelic experience as well. When I trip with her, I have no fears and it seems like our bond gets stronger each time. She is fascinated by mushrooms grows and DMT extractions, all of which she stands right by my side and watches with an eager smile, asking questions and learning right alongside me. I couldn't ask for anything more than that.

So maybe it isn't 100% the psychedelics that allow for us to be as close as we are, but it sure does help. During the comedown of strong mushroom trips, ya know, when speech returns, we always have deeply intimate conversations about love, life, the future, the past, and anything in between. As corny as it is, sometimes we take turns listening to each others heart beats, to show and remind us that we truly are alive, and it is something to be treasured. To be able to hold someone in your arms and experience the strange insights and voids gained from psychedelic explorations is deeply profound. I still have trouble putting it into words as I sit here typing a 20 page essay! :d

As others have mentioned already, it really does boil down to trust. The psychedelic experience is all about trust. Trusting in yourself to face your fears. Trusting in your partner to not only watch you go through the act of trusting yourself, but allowing them into that sacred space so that you can do the same for them. That sort of space can be confusing and scary and equally breathtaking and charming so letting someone into that, nay, sharing that is beyond words. I just can't seem to find the right vernacular for this...

All I know is that if you do have someone that means the world to you, and they enjoy tripping right alongside you...I say you better hold onto them for dear life because for me it has been the most meaningful time of my life. And I am only referencing the last 3 years that I have been with my wonderful lady...and if you read this babe, I love you! :love: (she isn't a member , but sometimes she lurks around the forum...hehe)

Anyway, I think I have rambled enough for now and have made my point to an extent.

peace

:)
 
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